SeaWitch Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 Where is the Witch Isle, home of House Upcliffe? It isn't on any map I've found to date. Is it just another name for Pebble, or the Paps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Corlys Velaryon Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 16 minutes ago, SeaWitch said: Where is the Witch Isle, home of House Upcliffe? It isn't on any map I've found to date. Is it just another name for Pebble, or the Paps? Most likely off the Gulltown-Runestone peninsula. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeaWitch Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 Thanks. I'd been kind of tin-foiling that they deliberately hid themselves somehow. At the present time, a nice little offshore fortress you can hide from giant flying flame throwers by means of sea-fog sounds excellent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maudisdottir Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 4 hours ago, Ebrose said: 1) What plead is Ned referring to? Do we know of any moment Lyanna had tried to stop someone killing/hurting anyone? 2) Is Ned referring to Jaime during Robert's rebellion? or someone else I am forgetting now? 1) "Promise me, Ned" - don't let Robert kill my baby. Protect him and keep him safe. 2) I'm sure he wasn't too thrilled about Tywin either, given the atrocities committed in King's Landing. But Jaime was the first name that came to my mind too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BricksAndSparrows Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 Hey, Is there a thread on here about Kem from the Second Sons? It seems like there would be a whole bunch of theories and supposition about this guy, but I couldn't find any threads. I'd like to open a new thread, because I'm curious about some things. But if there are already 30 pages of discussion, I'm happy to just read that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 5 hours ago, Ebrose said: Finally doing my first re-read, and I've been noticing several quotes I had overlooked the first time. There are a couple I found yesterday which I would like to know which is (if any) the standard interpretation by the community. (I have used the forum's search function, but the results I obtained didn't help much. They both appear in Eddard IV AGOT: 1) What plead is Ned referring to? Do we know of any moment Lyanna had tried to stop someone killing/hurting anyone? 2) Is Ned referring to Jaime during Robert's rebellion? or someone else I am forgetting now? Obviously, there might be no agreed interpretation, but I feel that those two in particular should have been discussed over and over, and maybe the community has reached some satisfying consensus. Thanks! 1) Please don't let them kill.. 2) Tywin, the aftermath of Robert's Rebellion and the Greyjoy Rebellion, and maybe others in smaller conflicts we don't know about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 36 minutes ago, BricksAndSparrows said: Hey, Is there a thread on here about Kem from the Second Sons? It seems like there would be a whole bunch of theories and supposition about this guy, but I couldn't find any threads. I'd like to open a new thread, because I'm curious about some things. But if there are already 30 pages of discussion, I'm happy to just read that. Step one: Copy this... kem second sons site:asoiaf.westeros.org Step two: Paste it into Google. Step three: Click search. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ebrose Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 15 hours ago, maudisdottir said: 1) "Promise me, Ned" - don't let Robert kill my baby. Protect him and keep him safe. That's what I initially thought as well, but now I'm not sure, as the tone in both cases seems quite different: Sansa yells desperately, Lyanna whispers gently (as far as I recall). Can they be considered as similar pleads? And yes, I agree Tywin seems to be another man Ned was forced to work with. But was Ned's despise for the Lannisters born after the sack of KL or before? If after, when did they "work together"? Greyjoy Rebellion? ETA: thanks @maudisdottir and @Lost Melnibonean !! ETA2: ups! a word had disappeared! fixed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BricksAndSparrows Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 33 minutes ago, Lost Melnibonean said: Step one: Copy this... kem second sons site:asoiaf.westeros.org Step two: Paste it into Google. Step three: Click search. Did you do this yourself? There is surprisingly little. I'm just going to start a thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maudisdottir Posted May 6, 2017 Share Posted May 6, 2017 7 hours ago, Ebrose said: That's what I initially thought as well, but now I'm not sure, as the tone in both cases seems quite +... Sansa yells desperately, Lyanna whispers gently (as far as I recall). Can they be considered as similar pleads? I can't remember the exact wording from the books but Lyanna was dying, so maybe a whisper was all she could muster with her dwindling strength. The intent was the same though, and Lyanna would have been just as desperate as Sansa, even more so. I don't recall GRRM using "gentle" to describe her state of mind - I imagine she was frantic but too weak to show it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ebrose Posted May 6, 2017 Share Posted May 6, 2017 6 hours ago, maudisdottir said: I can't remember the exact wording from the books but Lyanna was dying, so maybe a whisper was all she could muster with her dwindling strength. The intent was the same though, and Lyanna would have been just as desperate as Sansa, even more so. I don't recall GRRM using "gentle" to describe her state of mind - I imagine she was frantic but too weak to show it. Yeah, you are probably right. It seems I had formed the "gentle" image in my mind by myself when I first read it, as I had no clue about R+L=J at that time. Eddard I AGOT Quote Promise me, she had cried, in a room that smelled of blood and roses. Promise me, Ned. The fever had taken her strength and her voice had been faint as a whisper, but when he gave her his word, the fear had gone out of his sister's eyes Eddard II AGOT Quote Promise me, Ned, she had whispered. Eddard XIII AGOT Quote "Promise me, Ned," Lyanna's statue whispered. She wore a garland of pale blue roses, and her eyes wept blood. Eddard XV AGOT Quote Promise me, Ned, his sister had whispered from her bed of blood. Almost every time Ned recalls the moment, it is mentioned that Lyanna whispered. It is clear from the first quote that the whisper is due to the lack of strength, however, and that she had been crying in fear, as Sansa did later. So yes, I am pretty convinced now. Thanks again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aegon VII Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 How many of the freys currently in WF would you estimate are top 50 in the line of succession and how confident are you in that estimate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Wraith Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 On 5/6/2017 at 11:54 PM, Aegon VII said: How many of the freys currently in WF would you estimate are top 50 in the line of succession and how confident are you in that estimate? An good take on the current state of house Frey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeaWitch Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 When confronted with The Official Game of Thrones Colouring Book, was anyone else's immediate thought "going to need more red crayons"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Wraith Posted May 12, 2017 Share Posted May 12, 2017 19 hours ago, SeaWitch said: When confronted with The Official Game of Thrones Colouring Book, was anyone else's immediate thought "going to need more red crayons"? No but I am certainly thinking it now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prof. Cecily Posted May 12, 2017 Share Posted May 12, 2017 The Official Game of Thrones Colouring Book. More red crayons. I immediately think of that scene of the children's theatricals in one of the Addams Family films https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0Lu_CBRLnM Anyway, here's my little question. As we all know, GRRM polishes his word choices as others, their vintage Jaguars. So why use the phrase "hair net"? Twenty times, no less, if A Search of Ice and Fire has not played me false. Given GRRM's age, there's no way the phrase "hair net" evokes anything other than memories of the divine Lily Tomlin as Ernestine https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIOogEaO3Hc&list=RDZIOogEaO3Hc and her classic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHgUN_95UAw Snood! The word he wants is snood! How is it GRRM's proof readers, advisers, publishers, etc., let that slip under the radar 20 times? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raisin' Bran Posted May 12, 2017 Share Posted May 12, 2017 2 hours ago, Prof. Cecily said: Given GRRM's age, there's no way the phrase "hair net" evokes anything other than memories of the divine Lily Tomlin as Ernestine https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIOogEaO3Hc&list=RDZIOogEaO3Hc and her classic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHgUN_95UAw Snood! The word he wants is snood! How is it GRRM's proof readers, advisers, publishers, etc., let that slip under the radar 20 times? Snood? If I were to come across the word with no context provided, I would not have a clue as to what it meant. But maybe that is just my poor vocabulary to blame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prof. Cecily Posted May 12, 2017 Share Posted May 12, 2017 Here's a link to images of snoods: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-5fBL5p-ylpE/Uf-AiTDlgnI/AAAAAAAAAXE/8nXF02aDCnA/s1600/snood-1.jpg And one of hairnets: http://www.southshoredanceacademy.com/uploads/2/2/1/8/22187048/8337718_orig.jpg I see that the terms are almost interchangeable in modern usage, so I'm probably being overly picky, but GRRM does use so manyfabulous terms, like 'garron' for a type of horse, that the use of hairnet surprised me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fattest Leech Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 1 hour ago, Prof. Cecily said: Here's a link to images of snoods: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-5fBL5p-ylpE/Uf-AiTDlgnI/AAAAAAAAAXE/8nXF02aDCnA/s1600/snood-1.jpg And one of hairnets: http://www.southshoredanceacademy.com/uploads/2/2/1/8/22187048/8337718_orig.jpg I see that the terms are almost interchangeable in modern usage, so I'm probably being overly picky, but GRRM does use so manyfabulous terms, like 'garron' for a type of horse, that the use of hairnet surprised me. I think GRRM may prefer the hair net becuase of the image and clues it gives. Animal imagery is used for people very often, and especially fish and the theme of water, ships, etc. so I think a hairnet gives the picture of someone being caught, or trapped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prof. Cecily Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 4 hours ago, The Fattest Leech said: I think GRRM may prefer the hair net becuase of the image and clues it gives. Animal imagery is used for people very often, and especially fish and the theme of water, ships, etc. so I think a hairnet gives the picture of someone being caught, or trapped. Ah, clever you. And then there's that challenge Ragnar gives to Aslaug/Kráka: Quote ...Ragnar then sent for her, but in order to test her wits, he commanded her to arrive neither dressed nor undressed, neither fasting nor eating, and neither alone nor in company. Kráka arrived dressed in a net, biting an onion and with only a dog as a companion. Impressed by her ingenuity and finding her a wise companion, Ragnar proposed marriage to her, which she refused until he had accomplished his mission in Norway. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aslaug Who can guess what Kráka means in Norwegian? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.