James Arryn Posted March 13, 2016 Share Posted March 13, 2016 7 hours ago, Kalbear said: Being Australian I get that you don't understand humor or entertainment beyond Mel Gibson and Kylie Minogue, but in the US we have a lot of reality tv. Making YouTube videos is good and all, but it can't compare to making fools out of normal people. It's not an Australian thing, it's a bogan thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azul DeLaRosa Posted March 13, 2016 Share Posted March 13, 2016 11 hours ago, Triskan said: I wish Obama could run for a Rooseveltian third term. He would beat Trump in a 1964-esque fashion. Me too. This election has nobody running that I trust to run this nation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 13, 2016 Share Posted March 13, 2016 I went to University of Chicago, where Bernie went, Obama taught , and Michelle worked. Bernie is not far enough to the left for many of them and it is still the sixties there so I would not blame Bernie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 13, 2016 Share Posted March 13, 2016 I wish Obama could run for a Rooseveltian third term. He would beat Trump in a 1964-esque fashion. Me too. This election has nobody running that I trust to run this nation. That is the scariest thing to me. I am old and never had an election where none of the above was the choice I would make. I liked Clinton and I liked George HW bush and I liked Reagan . The moderates have been slaughtered on both sides, so I guess I am stuck with Hillary ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guess who's back Posted March 13, 2016 Share Posted March 13, 2016 45 minutes ago, GrapefruitPerrier said: Me too. This election has nobody running that I trust to run this nation. Hillary is pretty much Obama 2.0. If you want more of the same vote for Hillary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 13, 2016 Share Posted March 13, 2016 Just now, Guess who's back said: Hillary is pretty much Obama 2.0. If you want more of the same vote for Hillary. Hillary and Obama have completely screwed up the Middle East, Kasich seems the best on fiscal issues (but he wants government in your bedroom). Since Kasich is not a choice, and Cruz and Trump are both delusional in different ways, who else is there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mexal Posted March 13, 2016 Share Posted March 13, 2016 Quote NBC News PRVerified account@NBCNewsPR JUST IN: Trump tells @MeetThePress' @ChuckTodd he's going to look into paying for legal fees for the man who threw the sucker punch on Sat This sets an awesome precedent. Can't wait to see more violence at his rallies involving old white men who sucker elbow protestors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sologdin Posted March 13, 2016 Share Posted March 13, 2016 sanders' leftism is sufficiently tepid to prevent him from being proscribed in the USSR as a right deviationist bukharinite, as he would've already had been on the hook as a menshevik in 1921 or as a liberal kadet in 1917. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePrunesThatWasPromised Posted March 13, 2016 Share Posted March 13, 2016 http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/a-message-for-higher-ed-from-mizzous-1500-missing-students/ So the University of Missouri is facing a 20% enrollment drop and their football team is ranked roundabout 80 after their "peaceful" protests last year which were rooted in "intellectualism" or so a liberal would have had me believe. Though, I must say that it's delightful to see some specifics on how to make Bernie's Free College 4 Everybody plan affordable, for a change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AverageGuy Posted March 13, 2016 Share Posted March 13, 2016 9 minutes ago, ThePrunesThatWasPromised said: So the University of Missouri is facing a 20% enrollment drop and their football team is ranked roundabout 80 after their "peaceful" protests last year which were rooted in "intellectualism" or so a liberal would have had me believe. Try this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Horse Named Stranger Posted March 13, 2016 Share Posted March 13, 2016 23 minutes ago, GrapefruitPerrier said: Hillary and Obama have completely screwed up the Middle East, Kasich seems the best on fiscal issues (but he wants government in your bedroom). Since Kasich is not a choice, and Cruz and Trump are both delusional in different ways, who else is there? No, that honour goes to Dubya. Ofc the Obama administration could have handled it differently, but ISIS has its root in post Hussein Iraq. If you look to place blame at someone's door. G.W. Bush and Rumsfeld look like better choices. Kasich is a moron on foreign policy. Saw some bits from the Florida debate. His suggestion the Europeans should have invited Turkey to join the EU was too much for me. The EU has enough problems with the new goverment in Poland on its way to abolish an independent court system, and trying to take over the media. The last thing the EU needs is Erdogan, who has been undermining Turkey's democratic structures and weakening the seperation of religion and state (not to mention human rights violation against the Kurds). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 13, 2016 Share Posted March 13, 2016 17 minutes ago, Notone said: No, that honour goes to Dubya. Ofc the Obama administration could have handled it differently, but ISIS has its root in post Hussein Iraq. If you look to place blame at someone's door. G.W. Bush and Rumsfeld look like better choices. Kasich is a moron on foreign policy. Saw some bits from the Florida debate. His suggestion the Europeans should have invited Turkey to join the EU was too much for me. The EU has enough problems with the new goverment in Poland on its way to abolish an independent court system, and trying to take over the media. The last thing the EU needs is Erdogan, who has been undermining Turkey's democratic structures and weakening the seperation of religion and state (not to mention human rights violation against the Kurds). Agree completely on Erdogan, his smuggling ISIS oil and his asking for more and more billions to stop the refugee crisis shows that only person who matters to him, is him. Is he almost as bad as Putin. He has caused more human suffering than most dictators. I am talking about the Arab spring, which destabilized Egypt and Lybia and did little to help anyone. Lybia is now part of the Iran/Saudi proxy war developing across the entire Middle East. That is on Obama and Clinton. Agree fully that Rumsfeld, Cheney and GW are even worse, but two wrongs do not make a right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polishgenius Posted March 13, 2016 Share Posted March 13, 2016 5 minutes ago, GrapefruitPerrier said: I am talking about the Arab spring, which destabilized Egypt and Lybia and did little to help anyone. Lybia is now part of the Iran/Saudi proxy war developing across the entire Middle East. That is on Obama and Clinton. Well, they might not have helped, but it seems extraordinarily Ameri-centric to lay all responsibility for the Arab Spring at the door of Obama and HRC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 13, 2016 Share Posted March 13, 2016 Just now, polishgenius said: Well, they might not have helped, but it seems extraordinarily Ameri-centric to lay all responsibility for the Arab Spring at the door of Obama and HRC. True, the French were the ones who pushed for Lybian liberation, and the Arab Spring was larger the U.S. foreign policy. That said, the US ties to the Egyptian military run deep and the Arab spring in Egypt went on exactly as long as the military allowed it. If memory serves, the Egyptian governments turn to support the Palestinians was the original break between the military and the leadership that led to a whole bunch of dominoes falling. As for Lybia, didn't the French run out of bombs of Americans had to finish the job of taking out Kadaffi? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altherion Posted March 13, 2016 Share Posted March 13, 2016 21 minutes ago, Notone said: No, that honour goes to Dubya. Ofc the Obama administration could have handled it differently, but ISIS has its root in post Hussein Iraq. If you look to place blame at someone's door. G.W. Bush and Rumsfeld look like better choices. Bush undoubtedly screwed up Iraq and Afghanistan. Obama did nothing to make the situation better in either of those two, but the credit for the military interventions in Syria and Libya as well as shipments of arms to be used in Yemen and possibly elsewhere goes entirely to the Obama administration. 5 minutes ago, polishgenius said: Well, they might not have helped, but it seems extraordinarily Ameri-centric to lay all responsibility for the Arab Spring at the door of Obama and HRC. Obviously, the overall responsibility for the mess is shared much more widely: it's basically a proxy war between Saudi Arabia and Iran, but with great powers like the US, Europe and Russia all butting in and the armies and citizens of Syria, Yemen, etc. serving as the "turf". However, to the extent that the US did intervene (and it's a pretty considerable extent), we've made things no better and wasted billions of dollars doing it. Obama doesn't get let off the hook just because the entire region is a Charlie Foxtrot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fragile Bird Posted March 13, 2016 Share Posted March 13, 2016 Back to Sanders = Stalin for the moment. Did I miss a call to collectivize farms in the wheat belt or something? If Sanders becomes president, I'll reserve judgement until he starves 10 million people to death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Horse Named Stranger Posted March 13, 2016 Share Posted March 13, 2016 Though this is going a bit off topic, since we have a middle east thread. Having that said, IIRC Lybia was more France and the UK messing around, than the US. And now they are kinda commit to contain it to the Arabian Peninsula, so that does fire does not jump over to the African continent. Syria was/is more or less ISIS spreading out from Iraq. So again, I think the proud fathers of that monster can be found at the Bush administration. And handling Syria was actually not that easy for Clinton and Obama, with all the US allies (Saudi Arabia and Turkey) following their own agendas. Again, I point to the Middle East threads. The criticism one could make is, that the US did not deploy ground troops. But that would have been political suicide. As the citizens of the US were not really that keen on losing soldiers in the middle east again (after Iraq). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CryptofCthulhu Posted March 13, 2016 Share Posted March 13, 2016 Crystal ball what do you see? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bennis of the Brown Shield Posted March 13, 2016 Share Posted March 13, 2016 9 minutes ago, Fragile Bird said: Back to Sanders = Stalin for the moment. Did I miss a call to collectivize farms in the wheat belt or something? If Sanders becomes president, I'll reserve judgement until he starves 10 million people to death. Yeah, but you can say the same thing about the Trump = Hitler comparisons that are thrown around all the time too. Last time I checked he hasn't called for death camps in an American occupied Mexico or something either. "If Trump becomes president, I'll reserve judgement until he starves and gasses 11 million people to death". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted March 13, 2016 Share Posted March 13, 2016 KDNW, The Trump/Hitler comparisions come not from an expressed desire to engage in a second Shoah but the similaries between Hitler's know-nothing bellicosity and Trump's know nothing bellicosity. Further both Hitler and Trump liked to defend and encourage their followers to "get physical" with their opposition. Trump isn't Hitler but he has some disturbing similarities that mean, for me, there is no way on God's green Earth I will give Trump my vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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