mormont Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 1 hour ago, ummester said: He's talking about making America a primary producer again and becoming self sufficient - although he can't control how other nations interact, as president he could pass laws that effectively internalize America and remove it from a globalized world. See previous answer. Even if I thought Trump had any genuine interest in doing that - and his record suggests that if he does, it's an overnight Damascene conversion - he has no practical way of actually doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balefont Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 1 hour ago, mormont said: See previous answer. Even if I thought Trump had any genuine interest in doing that - and his record suggests that if he does, it's an overnight Damascene conversion - he has no practical way of actually doing it. Not to mention that us in the USA have become so accustomed to cheap goods produced overseas... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalbear Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 Trumps MAGA hat is made in China. He ain't gonna do shit to stop globalization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePrunesThatWasPromised Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 Again with the textiles... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balefont Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 2 minutes ago, ThePrunesThatWasPromised said: Again with the textiles... Again with the facts... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePrunesThatWasPromised Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 Nobody's upset over the trucker hat factory getting outsourced. LMAO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MerenthaClone Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 4 minutes ago, ThePrunesThatWasPromised said: Nobody's upset over the trucker hat factory getting outsourced. LMAO Well, except the people who worked there, but that's cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalbear Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 Why are textiles fine to outsource but prunes not fine? Actually, let's find out - what jobs are not fine to be outsourced? What are okay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePrunesThatWasPromised Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 Backbones of the middle class like auto, steel and now increasingly IT are what we are protectionist toward. Very few American dreams were made handcuffed to a sewing machine. I'm not saying that it never happened, but if it did the wares were certainly finer than monochrome polyester mesh baseball caps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalbear Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 Steel hasn't been a major employer for 40 years in the US. And it's a bad market anyway - China is facing such a huge surplus that the entire world market is in major decline. Auto jobs in the US are on the rise, actually. Just not in Michigan. Electric car makers are almost all in the US as an example. IT is probably a bad example for anyone given that the US still has a massive deficit of IT workers and is still importing them. Demand is there in the US. Supply isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 TPTWP, I know a lot of people in North and South Carolina who have family who've lost jobs due to textiles going overseas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePrunesThatWasPromised Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 23 minutes ago, Kalbear said: Steel hasn't been a major employer for 40 years in the US. And it's a bad market anyway - China is facing such a huge surplus that the entire world market is in major decline. Auto jobs in the US are on the rise, actually. Just not in Michigan. Electric car makers are almost all in the US as an example. IT is probably a bad example for anyone given that the US still has a massive deficit of IT workers and is still importing them. Demand is there in the US. Supply isn't. I used steel as a historical example and you're right. But you're wrong about there being a deficit of IT workers. There's simply a deficit of IT workers who want to work for 13/hr http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/01/26/us/lawsuit-claims-disney-colluded-to-replace-us-workers-with-immigrants.html?referer=&_r=0 H1B abuse is not all that different from offshoring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalbear Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 One example is not data. Nor does said example refute my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePrunesThatWasPromised Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 http://www.infoworld.com/article/3004501/h1b/proof-that-h-1b-visa-abuse-is-rampant-in-tech.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePrunesThatWasPromised Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 57 minutes ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said: TPTWP, I know a lot of people in North and South Carolina who have family who've lost jobs due to textiles going overseas. It's just banter. I don't actually despise textile workers. I hope they landed on their feet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalbear Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 I'm not and didn't claim that H1B visas are a good thing, are not abused, or are not particularly corrupt. The existence of ANY of these things, however, has zero impact on whether IT jobs are in decline in the US or are being outsourced. The H1B program has been around for as long as the tech boom has gone on. It isn't a sign of decline. It's a sign that the H1B system isn't very good. You're doubling down on a bad argument that continues to be bad, and making it even worse. Furthermore, tech jobs in the US are one of the major industries in the US that are on the rise, both on a pay scale and in frequency. The problem in the IT world is still a lack of qualified people, and there are still far more jobs available than workers qualified to do them in the US. Another way to say it is this: even if we removed all the H1B visas those jobs wouldn't be going to US Citizens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalbear Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 1 minute ago, ThePrunesThatWasPromised said: It's just banter. I don't actually despise textile workers. I hope they landed on their feet. You said this: " Nobody's upset over the trucker hat factory getting outsourced. LMAO" You do appear to actually despise textile workers. You do appear to be laughing your ass off. You don't appear to care at all, nor do you appear to be particularly knowledgeable about what jobs are being lost or who is losing them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Walker Texas Ranger Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 He only cares about manly, alpha, jobs, like cars, tanks, missiles, and giant construction vehicles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalbear Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 Anyway, please take the incorrect data about jobs in the US to some other topic that isn't the election race. Sorry for the derail. In other news, NC authorities are weighing whether to charge Trump with the actual crime of inciting violence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manhole Eunuchsbane Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 28 minutes ago, Kalbear said: You said this: " Nobody's upset over the trucker hat factory getting outsourced. LMAO" You do appear to actually despise textile workers. You do appear to be laughing your ass off. You don't appear to care at all, nor do you appear to be particularly knowledgeable about what jobs are being lost or who is losing them. Make America Great Again. By wearing Chinese Trucker hats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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