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The Walking Dead Season 6: "Who's Neegan?" (no comics spoilers)


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Of course they cleaned out the Saviour armory. I read someone involved in the Show production saying that ammo is going to become much scarcer in Seasons to come, and this will influence the strategies employed going forward. Surely the value of every single bullet must be well understood by now.

Specifically, I am amazed that automatic fire is still used, sometimes expending dozens of rounds casually to dispatch just a small number of enemies. Instead, they should have the mentality of the frontiersman of old, for whom every bullet counted.

 

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8 hours ago, Arch-MaesterPhilip said:

I would hope so but I don't remember them takin the guns from Terminus. 

My memory is a bit fuzzy but when they escaped Terminus they were on foot, right? In that case it would make sense that they were unable to burden themselves with the load of extra weapons. Here they have vehicles so not cleaning out the armory would be inexplicable.

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1 hour ago, Consigliere said:

My memory is a bit fuzzy but when they escaped Terminus they were on foot, right? In that case it would make sense that they were unable to burden themselves with the load of extra weapons. Here they have vehicles so not cleaning out the armory would be inexplicable.

They fled from Terminus. They hadn't conquered it completely. In the case of the Saviours satellite base, they wiped it out completely and had plenty of time to gather up any useful stuff they might desire.

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On 3/17/2016 at 6:33 AM, Free Northman Reborn said:

Of course they cleaned out the Saviour armory. I read someone involved in the Show production saying that ammo is going to become much scarcer in Seasons to come, and this will influence the strategies employed going forward. Surely the value of every single bullet must be well understood by now.

Specifically, I am amazed that automatic fire is still used, sometimes expending dozens of rounds casually to dispatch just a small number of enemies. Instead, they should have the mentality of the frontiersman of old, for whom every bullet counted.

 

I've never understood why food and ammo are so scarce in this type of environment.  Presumably a ton of people died very fast, so even if most of the stores are looted, that food has to be somewhere.  The average Wal-Mart has about ten billion canned goods.  That stuff isn't just going to disappear off the face of the Earth, and it certainly wouldn't all be consumed in a matter of days, and by that time a good chunk of people would have died off anyway.

The same is true for ammo.  Gun stores have thousands of rounds of ammunition.  Sporting goods stores too.  Granted there are plenty of things to shoot at in the zombie apocalypse, but it's hard to imagine all of that ammo being used so quickly with people dying off so fast.

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They've done a bang up job of making the Saviors look like a bunch of fucking chumps to this point.  I'm assuming the plan is to introduce the real Negan in the finale, but dragging it out this long has kind of has an adverse impact on the legitimacy of the Saviors.

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1 hour ago, dooog said:

Am I the only one that burst out laughing at that bullseye...

That was so overdue, fantastic exit for her.

I'm loving Rosita taking on a larger role and having more storyline. I've thought she was an underutilized character for a while now.

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11 minutes ago, Dr. Pepper said:

Another dead lesbian on tv.  I don't think this episode deserves any more commentary than that.  

Was there a previous one, I can't remember any pattern of dead lesbians on this show? I could've easily missed an episode though so I'm not sure.

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21 minutes ago, DireWolfSpirit said:

Was there a previous one, I can't remember any pattern of dead lesbians on this show? I could've easily missed an episode though so I'm not sure.

Well they obviously killed off Tara's previous girlfriend, though the circumstances were different and wouldn't really fit the burty the gay trope.  I'm speaking more about lesbians on tv in general.  Dead lesbians on tv is a trope.  As soon as Denise mentioned her love for Tara, I knew she was a goner, because that's how it usually happens.

Cue a dozen posters coming in and saying "but but but it's a show where people die all the time".  To which I reply, that's not the point and go read an article or two.  This trope has actually been in the news a lot recently due to another post-apocalyptic show killing off their top lesbian character in the tropest of ways. 

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Oh I see Dr.P, i'm often in the dark about things when they arent on my radar. I'll make a note of watching for this in the future. I had disliked that Dr/nurse character immediately though, well before she and Tara were a thing. So seeing her get taken out wasnt an issue for me. Killi off either Rosita or Roshaun though, and i'll be screaming "Bloody Murder!!!" Lolol.

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2 hours ago, Pecan said:

I knew that was going to happen. When the doctor chick started her speech to Darryl and Rosita, I thought "uh oh".

Yup. I felt Doc might actually survive the episode until she started speechifying. Fuck. Inspirational speeches get you killed almost as quick as being a moral compass on TWD. This is gonna fuck Tara up.

On a brighter note, Eugene got balls figuratively and literally this episode. Way to go Mullet Man! Also, move over Richonne, it's time for Sashaham!

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3 minutes ago, PetyrPunkinhead said:

Yup. I felt Doc might actually survive the episode until she started speechifying. Fuck. Inspirational speeches get you killed almost as quick as being a moral compass on TWD. This is gonna fuck Tara up.

On a brighter note, Eugene got balls figuratively and literally this episode. Way to go Mullet Man! Also, move over Richonne, it's time for Sashaham!

It had to do with the framing of the scene as well. It just seemed like a perfect opportunity for a bullet to come out of nowhere. It's the sort of thing that we've seen happen in other shows/movies. It turned out to be an arrow instead of a bullet, which worked pretty well I think.

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Three immediate observations. Or rather, irritations.

1. Daryl - our premier, super experienced woodsman, hunter and tracker - gets ambushed by a large group of clumsy looking low lives. AGAIN. I give up. I've raised this at least half a dozen times before, but for a stealth specialist he is pretty unstealthy, and really lacks situational awareness. Yes, yes, I know it is simply so that the Show can have startling scenes where bad guys come out of nowhere, but I will never accept this obvious weakness of the series.

If you are travelling in this environment, you DON't walk in the middle of a road. You avoid open areas as much as possible, and you ALWAYS have scouts screening you in the forests on either side. Think Jaime's folly in the Whispering Wood, people, for Pete's sake.

2. Now that the above is out of the way, let's talk about how this Show is crazy about killing off any member of a group that has a modicum of medical training. In a situation like this, doctors, medics, pharmacists, nurses and so on will be the most valuable members of your society. Frankly, without them you are all going to die from infection, disease, wounds, food poisoning, and the slightest misfortune.

And yet, in this Show they killed off Pete the Alexandria doctor, they killed off the psychiatrist doctor, they killed off Herschell the vet who is as close to a doctor as you can hope to have. Heck, in Fear the Walking Dead they wasted no time in killing off the main character who was a nurse in Season 1.

And yet they want us to believe that Eugene is just going to survive his gunshot wound without any medically trained person to treat him back at Alexandria? This is unrealistic, and from every death they could choose, they should really try to portray the medically trained group members as more valuable and protected individuals than they have thus far. If I was the doctor in the Hilltop compound, I'd be sweating by now. His days are no doubt numbered, going by this Show's trends.

3. And three, if they are going to have dramatic death scenes with an entire episode building up to it, at least do it for people that we actually care about. I didn't even know the dead psychiatrists' name. Really people, the only dramatic part in this episode for me was Darryl's death stare to that jerk Dwight. And Eugene's apparent betrayal of Abraham hiding behind the pile of fuel barrels.

The death of the psychiatrist only affected me because I immediately went:"Shit, they're about to go into full scale war with Negan's army, and now they have just lost their last doctor. That's just pathetic."

Anyway, that's my take from this episode.

Oh yes, and Carol's apparent departure. I have no idea what to make of that. So is she going to come charging in to save them again in the last episode, ala Terminus, only to die in the attempt this time around? Kind of repetitive, if that's the way they're going to play it. Otherwise, I can only assume they are going to keep her available to return in Season 10 or something, after the suprise death of Rick because the actor asked for a salary increase. Kind of "We'll replace him with another Season 1 veteran to soften the blow."

Which won't work, but that's how this Show's management probably thinks.

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Slow episode that seemed to telegraph the doctors death pretty early. I mean, the whole time they were standing on the tracks I kept waiting for a bullet to kill someone.

At least Eugene was trying to think about keeping them supplied in ammo. I do agree that ammo shouldn't be that scarce. Every superstore has thousands of rounds of ammo, one sporting goods store alone could supply several groups of survivors for years.

Hopefully the next two episodes show a strength of the Neegan group because they still look pretty bad.

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10 hours ago, briantw said:

I've never understood why food and ammo are so scarce in this type of environment.  Presumably a ton of people died very fast, so even if most of the stores are looted, that food has to be somewhere.  The average Wal-Mart has about ten billion canned goods.  That stuff isn't just going to disappear off the face of the Earth, and it certainly wouldn't all be consumed in a matter of days, and by that time a good chunk of people would have died off anyway.

And if they were still in like, Atlanta it might be less of a problem. But then they'd be in Atlanta. And you can note that, over the past two seasons they've stayed on the fringes  (at best) of urban centers. 

I expect the closest thing to a good explanation I can come up with is suburbs don't keep that much food and instead rely on going back and forth to the urban centers. Which is obviously an unattractive proposition right now because of fuel issues and, y'know, zombies

I didn't live very far away from town and it would be an intimidating prospect to leave where I was, walk long enough to get unto the highways and then anywhere with a Walmart. It'd indubitably be swarmed. 

 

2 hours ago, Free Northman Reborn said:

2. Now that the above is out of the way, let's talk about how this Show is crazy about killing off any member of a group that has a modicum of medical training. In a situation like this, doctors, medics, pharmacists, nurses and so on will be the most valuable members of your society. Frankly, without them you are all going to die from infection, disease, wounds, food poisoning, and the slightest misfortune.

 

 

Which is why it was specifically mentioned that Pete got a longer leash cause he was a surgeon. But the fact that they're people imposes costs. People kill each other (and themselves), I don't necessarily have a problem with the show itself doing so.The Governor doesn't give a shit that Hershel is a medic, and Pete was not only beating his wife but killed someone. What else was going to happen? It's the apocalypse, no one said it had to be easy.

 

I do feel like it's silly that Darryl and Rosita didn't bang on about this more though.

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I was bracing myself for a bad episode but wow, that was even worse than I expected. Carol's departure was really poorly done. The doctor suddenly turning into a complete idiot was also terrible. And the Saviors are more like comic relief than antagonists at this point. This show is so schizophrenic.

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