House Teague, the last River Kings

[norwaywolf123]

The Teague's was the last true River Kings, after them the riverlands have been ruled by foreign rulers like the Stormlanders, Ironborn, Targaryens and recently Northmen. They were wiped out in a battle called the battle of the six kings, after the Storm King the usurper river king Blackwood and the 4 Teages that died. The Blackwood also died witch is why the Stormlands annexed the riverlands.

http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/House_Teague

Questions about the House

1. Was it Andal or Firstmen? Maybe the founder did't know what he was.

2. Does it have any cadet branches?

3. Who was the mercenarys Torrence Teage hired? Were they Andals or were this after Valyrian conquest of Andalos?

4. Where were their seat?

[The Prince of Magpies]

I'm particularly curious about the 4th question. In the Reach, we have the historically non-royal Tyrells appointed rulers by Aegon and having to put up with other Houses undermining their right to rule by claiming closer ties to the Gardners or lauding their historic status as monarchs in their own right (Redwynes, Hightowers etc). In the Riverlands, the Tullys are in a similar situation, so it seems likely that 'lesser' Houses there would gripe about it at some stage and champion their own claims on the area. The Brackens and Blackwoods are the only Houses who can claim a royal history, so it seems far from unlikely that occupying the seat of the last 'true' River Kings would form part of some other House's claim to glory and local dominance. 

[joluoto2]

The Teagues were at a time when most Houses south of the Neck was a Andal/ First Men mix already, so I'd say they had the blood of both lineages.

[Nittanian]

2 hours ago, norwaywolf123 said:

The Teague's was the last true River Kings, after them the riverlands have been ruled by foreign rulers like the Stormlanders, Ironborn, Targaryens and recently Northmen. They were wiped out in a battle called the battle of the six kings, after the Storm King the usurper river king Blackwood and the 4 Teages that died. The Blackwood also died witch is why the Stormlands annexed the riverlands.

http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/House_Teague

Questions about the House

1. Was it Andal or Firstmen? Maybe the founder did't know what he was.

2. Does it have any cadet branches?

3. Who was the mercenarys Torrence Teage hired? Were they Andals or were this after Valyrian conquest of Andalos?

4. Where were their seat?

TWOIAF includes the Teagues within the description of Andal river kings. The adventurer Torrence Teague is said to have hired sellswords from across the narrow sea, so they were presumably from the Free Cities. He was crowned in Maidenpool, but we don't know if he made that town his seat (Robb, for instance, was crowned in Riverrun but he intended to live in Winterfell). Ran suggests here that the Teagues might not have have had an uninterrupted rule, so they might have ruled off and on for generations. It's unclear when exactly Torrence lived, but the suggestion is some time between the Andals leaving Andalos and the Doom of Valyria. No cadet branches are known. There probably were some, but they either died out or are extremely distant from the extinct main branch by now.

The last Teagues fell to the Storm Kings ?maybe? four hundred years ago (three hundred years of Durrandon rule in the riverlands, followed by three generations of Hoare kings until Aegon's Conquest). Five Teagues died in the Battle of Six Kings, which also included the Storm King. It's unclear when during the campaign Roderick Blackwood died.

The Blackwoods and Bracken claim descent from First Men kings, but there were also less powerful kings from the Vances, Mallisters, and Charltons during the Andal age.

 

 

[norwaywolf123]

5 hours ago, The Prince of Magpies said:

I'm particularly curious about the 4th question. In the Reach, we have the historically non-royal Tyrells appointed rulers by Aegon and having to put up with other Houses undermining their right to rule by claiming closer ties to the Gardners or lauding their historic status as monarchs in their own right (Redwynes, Hightowers etc). In the Riverlands, the Tullys are in a similar situation, so it seems likely that 'lesser' Houses there would gripe about it at some stage and champion their own claims on the area. The Brackens and Blackwoods are the only Houses who can claim a royal history, so it seems far from unlikely that occupying the seat of the last 'true' River Kings would form part of some other House's claim to glory and local dominance. 

Maybe Fairmarket? or something that are now part of the Crownlands?

[norwaywolf123]

5 hours ago, joluoto2 said:

The Teagues were at a time when most Houses south of the Neck was a Andal/ First Men mix already, so I'd say they had the blood of both lineages.

Torrence Teague was a man of uncertain birth, so we can't be sure. I feel he might be Andal, maybe descriptions of the Teagues could give hints?

Andal Traits: Blue Eyes, Green Eyes, Yellow Hair

First-Men Traits: Grey Eyes, Brown Eyes?, Brown Hair, Black Hair

[norwaywolf123]

4 hours ago, Nittanian said:

TWOIAF includes the Teagues within the description of Andal river kings. The adventurer Torrence Teague is said to have hired sellswords from across the narrow sea, so they were presumably from the Free Cities. He was crowned in Maidenpool, but we don't know if he made that town his seat (Robb, for instance, was crowned in Riverrun but he intended to live in Winterfell). Ran suggests here that the Teagues might not have have had an uninterrupted rule, so they might have ruled off and on for generations. It's unclear when exactly Torrence lived, but the suggestion is some time between the Andals leaving Andalos and the Doom of Valyria. No cadet branches are known. There probably were some, but they either died out or are extremely distant from the extinct main branch by now.

The last Teagues fell to the Storm Kings ?maybe? four hundred years ago (three hundred years of Durrandon rule in the riverlands, followed by three generations of Hoare kings until Aegon's Conquest). Five Teagues died in the Battle of Six Kings, which also included the Storm King. It's unclear when during the campaign Roderick Blackwood died.

The Blackwoods and Bracken claim descent from First Men kings, but there were also less powerful kings from the Vances, Mallisters, and Charltons during the Andal age.

 

 

So you think the mercenaries were Andal? And also that Teague was Andal?

[norwaywolf123]

How does one say/pronounce Teague? Do it sound like a Andal, Firstmen or maybe Valyrian name?

Firstmen Names: Stark, Umber, Bracken, Reyne, Florent, Yronwood, Durrandon, Royce

- Trait's of FM names:

Andal Names: Bar Emmon, Vance, Arryn, Serret, Lydden, Tyrell, Tarth, Martell

- Traits of Andal names:

Valyrian Names: Targaryen, Velaryon, Celtigar, Rogarre

- Trait of Valyrian names:

Other, maybe Braavosi if they existed by the time Torrence Teague came to be.

[norwaywolf123]

4 hours ago, Nittanian said:

TWOIAF includes the Teagues within the description of Andal river kings. The adventurer Torrence Teague is said to have hired sellswords from across the narrow sea, so they were presumably from the Free Cities. He was crowned in Maidenpool, but we don't know if he made that town his seat (Robb, for instance, was crowned in Riverrun but he intended to live in Winterfell). Ran suggests here that the Teagues might not have have had an uninterrupted rule, so they might have ruled off and on for generations. It's unclear when exactly Torrence lived, but the suggestion is some time between the Andals leaving Andalos and the Doom of Valyria. No cadet branches are known. There probably were some, but they either died out or are extremely distant from the extinct main branch by now.

The last Teagues fell to the Storm Kings ?maybe? four hundred years ago (three hundred years of Durrandon rule in the riverlands, followed by three generations of Hoare kings until Aegon's Conquest). Five Teagues died in the Battle of Six Kings, which also included the Storm King. It's unclear when during the campaign Roderick Blackwood died.

The Blackwoods and Bracken claim descent from First Men kings, but there were also less powerful kings from the Vances, Mallisters, and Charltons during the Andal age.

 

 

Are there any houses with similar sigils?

[norwaywolf123]

5 hours ago, joluoto2 said:

The Teagues were at a time when most Houses south of the Neck was a Andal/ First Men mix already, so I'd say they had the blood of both lineages.

Maybe this was after the Andal Invasion when the two groups had mixed? Maybe you were just a Riverman or Valemannot Andal or FM?

[StarkofWinterfell]

I am guessing Teague was neither Andal nor First Man because of the amount of opposition he had throughout his reign and the House's reign. They were outsiders plain and simple.

[Nittanian]

2 minutes ago, norwaywolf123 said:

So you think the mercenaries were Andal? And also that Teague was Andal?

Torrence Teague's origin isn't known, but his dynasty was Andal in culture. They eventually tried to impose the Faith on worshippers of the old gods. The sellswords may have been of a variety of ethnicities. TWOIAF states:

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The unlikely victor in these struggles was Lord Torrence Teague, an adventurer of uncertain birth who seized a fortune in gold in a daring attack upon the westerlands and used the wealth to bring sellswords across the narrow sea in great numbers. Seasoned warriors all, their blades proved the difference, and Teague was crowned King of the Trident at Maidenpool after six long years of war ... It is said, however, that neither King Torrence nor his heirs ever sat securely on their thrones ... As with the First Men, the dynasties of the Andal river kings oft proved short-lived, for enemies surrounded their realms on every side.

I rhyme Teague with league, but GRRM has said you can pronounce his characters' names however you like.

Houses with tridents as part of their sigil include Condon, Manderly, and Teague.

[norwaywolf123]

is this how you pronounce it?

1. Teague - 

2. Teague -

Teege?

 

[norwaywolf123]

11 minutes ago, Nittanian said:

Torrence Teague's origin isn't known, but his dynasty was Andal in culture. They eventually tried to impose the Faith on worshippers of the old gods. The sellswords may have been of a variety of ethnicities. TWOIAF states:

I rhyme Teague with league, but GRRM has said you can pronounce his characters' names however you like.

Houses with tridents as part of their sigil include Condon, Manderly, and Teague.

http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/House_Haigh

House Haigh's sigil has the color Gold, Black and Brown. Gold and Black are the colors of the Teagus. They also have a trident or fork on the sigil. could they be a Cadet house?

[DarkSister1001]

40 minutes ago, norwaywolf123 said:

is this how you pronounce it?

1. Teague - 

2. Teague -

Teege?

 

If I had to guess I'd say it's pronounced just like league. 

[Nittanian]

42 minutes ago, norwaywolf123 said:

http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/House_Haigh

House Haigh's sigil has the color Gold, Black and Brown. Gold and Black are the colors of the Teagus. They also have a trident or fork on the sigil. could they be a Cadet house?

It's plausible, or the pitchfork could indicate the Haighs have a farming origin.

[norwaywolf123]

1 minute ago, Nittanian said:

It's plausible, or the pitchfork could indicate the Haighs have a farming origin.

maybe. 

 

[norwaywolf123]

Seat could have been Fairmarket or Stony Sept. Maybe Wayfarer's rest, who knows which of the vance branches were the orignal and when they were founded? Maybe a vance was the closest relation and inherited Wayfarers' rest forming a new house?. Would probably not be allowed to use the teague name, incase some ambitouts descendant might fancy himself Fumfrey the 3??

[Ser Thormond Greystark]

I imagine that rather than being typically Andal or Firstmen, it is probably a reference to a real world friend of GRRM. The name is Irish  (Norn Ironborn ;)?) And is pronounced (Tee)g, (Tay)g, or (Tie)g depending on where you live. Mostly the first way.

[StarkofWinterfell]

6 hours ago, norwaywolf123 said:

is this how you pronounce it?

1. Teague - 

2. Teague -

Teege?

 

I always thought it was Tea-gue