What is D and D's endgame?

[A Ghost of Someone]

Just now, El Guapo said:

LOL

 No offense but this is ridiculous.

 

 

Rewatch Season 5, Episode 6 and pay attention to the dialogue right before...  It is just one example of their (D&D&C's) creative satisfaction, punishment and honoring of characters. Also known as "Revenge of the Nerds" or more directly "Revenge Porn".

[El Guapo]

41 minutes ago, A Ghost of Someone said:

Rewatch Season 5, Episode 6 and pay attention to the dialogue right before...  It is just one example of their (D&D&C's) creative satisfaction, punishment and honoring of characters. Also known as "Revenge of the Nerds" or more directly "Revenge Porn".

I have seen the episode and this idea that it was some kind of revenge of the nerds scenario or that D&D&C wanted to punish Sansa because they hate the character or that they were pissed that she rejected Tyrion is flat out insane. Seriously.

[A Ghost of Someone]

2 minutes ago, El Guapo said:

I have seen the episode and this idea that it was some kind of revenge of the nerds scenario or that D&D&C wanted to punish Sansa because they hate the character or that they were pissed that she rejected Tyrion is flat out insane. Seriously.

I stand by my assessment, feel free to stand by yours.

[myhalfgroat]

6 hours ago, Dragon in the North said:

Saying that viewers only watch GOT for "cheap thrills" is simply an immature way to undervalue their opinion.

this exactly.

I got my mom to agree to sit and watch the first two episodes and as soon as the first episode rolled credits she turned to me and said "so you have the next one here right?" she's been hooked on the show ever since. but here's the thing, my she hates watching violent shows and she is rather annoyed by crude language. I have seen her get up off the couch and leave the living room in the middle of a movie because she was tired of the f-bomb. but she's hooked on GoT. she'll sit and watch through scenes she hates just because she finds the show that engaging.

 

6 hours ago, A Ghost of Someone said:

I do think most of  the show fans do watch it for the "thrills" and pay little or no attention as to why characters do what they do or if it makes sense. 

there are plenty of shows out there that offer "thrills" and tits and bloodshed. anyone after that sort of entertainment can find it easy enough, so I think it's pretty silly to say that's the only reason the "most of the show fans" enjoy GoT

 

9 hours ago, Meera of Tarth said:

I was completely invested in the show, I loved it

I don't understand the logic of this statement after having (in the same post) asserted that people watch GoT just for dragons and tits. it comes off as pretty arrogant, as though you loved the show for the right reasons and somehow the majority of people love it for the wrong reasons.

[Meera of Tarth]

1 hour ago, myhalfgroat said:

this exactly.

I got my mom to agree to sit and watch the first two episodes and as soon as the first episode rolled credits she turned to me and said "so you have the next one here right?" she's been hooked on the show ever since. but here's the thing, my she hates watching violent shows and she is rather annoyed by crude language. I have seen her get up off the couch and leave the living room in the middle of a movie because she was tired of the f-bomb. but she's hooked on GoT. she'll sit and watch through scenes she hates just because she finds the show that engaging.

 

there are plenty of shows out there that offer "thrills" and tits and bloodshed. anyone after that sort of entertainment can find it easy enough, so I think it's pretty silly to say that's the only reason the "most of the show fans" enjoy GoT

 

I don't understand the logic of this statement after having (in the same post) asserted that people watch GoT just for dragons and tits. it comes off as pretty arrogant, as though you loved the show for the right reasons and somehow the majority of people love it for the wrong reasons.

my halfgroat do you think my post is arrogant because I state the reality that there are casual viewers who watch it for pure entertaining purposes and a majority that is invested in better storytelling but the writers seem to ignore? You should better reread what I have written before implying those things.

and yes, I loved it when it was more that pure shocking moments. Now I watch it because I am invested in characters who are still not corrupted or if they are, still uses to liked them so much that I am looking forward to their scrnes out of cheap drama. (example Brienne with Jaime).

[A Ghost of Someone]

3 hours ago, myhalfgroat said:

 there are plenty of shows out there that offer "thrills" and tits and bloodshed. anyone after that sort of entertainment can find it easy enough, so I think it's pretty silly to say that's the only reason the "most of the show fans" enjoy GoT

The show did not start out this way but has evolved into it as the show has gone on into what it is today.

That is due to the creative satisfaction of D&D&C.

[myhalfgroat]

5 hours ago, Meera of Tarth said:

I state the reality that there are casual viewers who watch it for pure entertaining purposes

unless you are using GoT to teach a film class or as a case study in your PhD Thesis on "Sexuality in Modern Pop Culture", then this comes off as part of that arrogant tone. we're all watching it for entertainment purposes. it's a television show.

 

3 hours ago, A Ghost of Someone said:

The show did not start out this way but has evolved into it as the show has gone on into what it is today.

That is due to the creative satisfaction of D&D&C.

I partly agree with this. I too believe that the show suffered in S5 and I believe part of that was due to D&D inserting more original material into the show but I'm not going to complain just because they wanted to tell their own story with these characters. read any three threads on this forum and you will come across someone expounding on the complex world Martin has created. people constantly sing his praises as this masterful storyteller who uses each specific word for an intended purpose. personally I agree with most of that. what I don't get is how people can put GRRM on a pedestal so high and then get upset when other people can't tell the story as well as he can. 

they have run out of source material and no, they aren't nearly as good of storytellers as GRRM. but they also don't have 6 years in between seasons. Martin was supposed to be done with the series before the end of the show. he's not, and now the show writers are doing their best to finish it up in the allotted time they wanted to tell the story.

anyway, my whole point for posting in this thread was that people are clearly wrong when they say "D&D's endgame" is to simultaneously produce a painful-to-watch hack version of GoT while somehow getting rich off of their terrible product.

the fact is that it's a great show; and I specifically use the word "fact" there because we can look at the qualitative data of the critics reviews or the quantitative data of their accolades.