Episode 2 - "Home" - Preview

[Hodor&Bran]

17 hours ago, White Harbors Wrath said:

Nope, Davos has the sword in the scene where Alliser is breaking down the door. It's already in the room.

You're right I had thought that Alliser had taken Jons sword when he stabbed him.  Re-watched the episode.  Jon left his sword behind.

[A Ghost of Someone]

Briene and Sansa will talk about Arya. I wonder if Briene realizes or finds out that sansa was actually married to Ramsay, Rooses's heir and raped or do and will she just think she was a hostage. Also, will they come to an agreement that Littlefinger is a "bad guy" that needs to "pay" for what he did to Sansa?

[Colonel Green]

11 hours ago, evita mgfs said:

This is my idea - and has been since 2012!

The exposure of Mel's glamor is setting up the glamor of Edd or Davos as JS while the real JS is stored on ice and transported to WF WHERE the resurrection will take place in the crypts via the magic of Bran and the living magic in the walls of WF.

Why would they bother with that?  There's no particular benefit to pretending Jon is alive.

[Jon Snow Bengal]

What do you think "Home" means? Who is going "Home"? Danaerys to the Dosh Khaleen? The Wildlings to Castle Black? Theon to The Iron Islands?

Or is that that "Home" no longer exists?

 

[Ibbison from Ibben]

Ramsay seems to be suggesting that he take the Bolton forces north and assault Castle Black, on the assumption that Sansa will be seeking sanctuary there with Jon..

We've seen a lot of scenes in the trailers that imply that the big northern battle (rumored to occur in ep 609) will take place just outside of Winterfell. The idea the trailers plant is that the Boltons remain in Winterfell, while Davos and his allies march south against them. We see the six Bolton crosses outside of WF, with an army drawn up behind.

Question - are the trailers deceiving us? Will the Boltons stay in Winterfell or go north? Or go north, then return to Winterfell?

The reason I ask is that I'm rather obsessed with tunnels. Specifically, secret tunnels that lead to/from Winterfell are mentioned in ep 210 (Luwin to Theon) and 504 (Mel to Jon). It seems unlikely that this would be set up for no reason.

If Ramsay heads north early in the season, this could leave Winterfell vulnerable to a surprise assault through the tunnels. Ramsay would then have to return and attempt to retake Winterfell. Davos might be attacking a Bolton army that is besieging WF, which is held by a small force opposed to the Boltons.

Or maybe not. The Bolton crosses seem to be positioned in a way to taunt Davos, not a WF garrison. Any ideas?

[Xarkar]

12 hours ago, WolfQueenArya said:

Well in the trailer there's a quick clip of Brienne and Pod in Riverrun...

Sure, but that doesnt mean Sansa isnt there.

They specifically exclude things from the previews to avoid major spoilers.  

 

Remember last year in the S5 trailer, they showed the fighting pit scene, but Tyrion was not in the trailer.

Then in the show, Tyrion was.  Turns out they just edited his image out. (they actually missed a part of his shadow, but it was so small it didnt mean much).  

 

They didnt wan to show Brienne and Sansa together in the previews because that would have spoiled the fact that Briene finally rescues her.

[A Girl is No One]

14 hours ago, WolfQueenArya said:

Well in the trailer there's a quick clip of Brienne and Pod in Riverrun...

I'm wondering if Sansa and Theon go there with them and this merry band of misfits takes the place of Lady Stoneheart?

[Stangler]

Sansa is really the only Stark left in play. She will be an important part of rallying the north to take on the Boltons. 

4 hours ago, Jon Snow Bengal said:

What do you think "Home" means? Who is going "Home"? Danaerys to the Dosh Khaleen? The Wildlings to Castle Black? Theon to The Iron Islands?

Or is that that "Home" no longer exists?

 

Bran may go Home to the weirwood there, I think that is one of the first things he does in the book.

Sansa is setting out to retake her home from the Boltons.

Tommen wants to get his wife home.

Euron Greyjoy may have come home.

The dragons may be released to escape their prison and come home

I think it may generally point to a theme or the episode may end with a specific scene about home, which points to Sansa declaring her intent to take back WF. Which makes the most sense. 

[Sansa's Hairnet]

21 hours ago, Stangler said:

Death would be the oathbreaker. When I think of oaths in GOT I think Brienne and the Night's Watch the most. There are a couple others that are in the book but not really talked about in the show. 

If they bring back Jon Snow they are also going to free him from his oath to the Night's watch so it seems like a reference to him coming back. 

Yes... this goes along with what I'm thinking. They need to have Jon's funeral and say the words over him "And now his watch has ended..." so that he is released from his vows.

I think Thorne and the mutineers are going to be killed by Davos and the loyalists, along with the help of Edd and the wildlings in the next episode. (I hope Ghost takes Alliser and that ungrateful little shit Olly out himself.) In episode 3, they will have Jon's funeral -- they can't leave a body laying around for the majority of the season because we've seen how quickly a dead body turns into a wight. They will say the words over Jon, light the pyre and then I expect to see something that parallels the scene with Dany walking into Drogo's pyre... Mel will go into the flames, but it will be Jon who comes out of the flames. Ice and fire, baby.

[The Arthur Smith]

New photos released for Home episode:

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Damn it, no Euron yet.

[evita mgfs]

6 hours ago, Colonel Green said:

Why would they bother with that?  There's no particular benefit to pretending Jon is alive.

Yes - glamored JS will unite the wildlings and remaining brothers giving Davos time to escort Jon's corpse to WF for burial in the crypts, as tradition dictates.  

Bran/BR will guide Davos to a secret entrance outside WF proper, and the purpose of this journey will be Jon learning who he is - his parentage - through Bran's visions via his wolf Ghost, a conduit Bran uses to communicate with Jon telepathically,

The viewers may not grasp that the Jon Snow is a glamored brother - but Ghost will know!

It would be an avenue that would allow Ramsay to kill glamored Jon Snow - viewers will think Jon is killed yet again - but that is when Bran will enlist his powers to raise his sibling from the crypts with an army of stone Starks at his command - stone turned flesh.

[Fiery Heart]

I don't think Ramsay will go north to Castle Black. Perhaps his plan is the pink letter, to bring Jon to him.

[Fiery Heart]

On 26/04/2016 at 5:50 PM, Myself656 said:

Castle Black Part 2 (second to last scene of episode): The Wildlings, Davos, Melisandre and the Jon Loyalists have gathered for Jon's funeral. The words are said and the fire is lit, but Jon does not burn... instead he stirs and walks out of the fire. This inspires the Wildlings and restores Mel's faith.

Having Mel only witness Jons resurrection sounds narratively weak, as does him coming back to life simply because his body is set on fire. It's hardly a fitting return.

[Fiery Heart]

3 hours ago, evita mgfs said:

Yes - glamored JS will unite the wildlings and remaining brothers giving Davos time to escort Jon's corpse to WF for burial in the crypts, as tradition dictates.  

Bran/BR will guide Davos to a secret entrance outside WF proper, and the purpose of this journey will be Jon learning who he is - his parentage - through Bran's visions via his wolf Ghost, a conduit Bran uses to communicate with Jon telepathically,

The viewers may not grasp that the Jon Snow is a glamored brother - but Ghost will know!

It would be an avenue that would allow Ramsay to kill glamored Jon Snow - viewers will think Jon is killed yet again - but that is when Bran will enlist his powers to raise his sibling from the crypts with an army of stone Starks at his command - stone turned flesh.

This all sounds very confused. Resurrection has been foreshadowed a lot...   

[evita mgfs]

39 minutes ago, Fiery Heart said:

This all sounds very confused. Resurrection has been foreshadowed a lot...   

What is confusing?

In the books it may be clearer.  The glamor is a major theme developed with Arya in Braavos as well as at the Wall with Melisandre, who has expounded ad nauseum on illusion, glamor, artifice, and other such theatrics - smoke and mirrors.

The producers  cut the Mance/Rattleshirt glamor - now they will make it happen with another glamored as Jon Snow until the time is right for his dramatic  rebirth.

The major thing with Jon is that he needs to learn of his parentage, and this will happen via Bran in a dream type sequence.  Bran has not yet appeared, but Issaac has said that he will play the role of "kingmaker" and cause an earthquake.

I am betting on Bran resurrecting his bastard brother in the WF crypts.  Sure, the NW may light a fire and burn a wax figure - as did the Romans after Caesar's death.  But it will be anticlimactic because too many people are expecting it.

Bran is the power to revive Jon - Mel's fire has gone out - her eyes are no longer red - they are blue!

Mel will assist in the preservation of Jon's corpse - but he will not rise as a wight because of the ward - and more importantly, because of Bran!

But that is my opinion as confusing as it is!

[Beautiful Bloody Sword]

On April 25, 2016 at 6:49 PM, Tooms said:

I don't see this. Jamie is still in love with his sister in the books, he is going through a very long period of doubt about who he is however. TV must be simpler, that's just the way of it. It will be interesting to see what happens.

I'd have to disagree. In the books, Jaime may very well always "love" his sister, but he's certainly no longer "in l

[Jennelyn]

On 4/25/2016 at 8:10 AM, Ser Hightower said:

There is too much for him to do over the course of a season to come back so late. I'm expecting his resurrection at the very end of Ep. 2 and then Ep. 3 "oathbreaker" is when he decides to march on Winterfell. 

He wouldn't technically be breaking any oaths. His watch ended with his death.

[Jennelyn]

On 4/26/2016 at 9:58 PM, WolfQueenArya said:

So a couple of things about the preview: There better be a much longer Arya sequence this time! The footage looks awesome with Arya quickly learning how to fight without her sight. Also Brienne is finally telling Sansa about Arya! Maybe Sansa will have Brienne and Pod go to the Riverlands to search for her? And we'll start seeing Bran's visions!!!

I'm curious to see if the show has Arya stumble upon her warging abilities. As of now, we don't even know if the Stark children share Bran's warging abilities in the show the way they do in the books. They passed up opportunities with Jon Snow already.

[Myself656]

5 hours ago, Fiery Heart said:

Having Mel only witness Jons resurrection sounds narratively weak, as does him coming back to life simply because his body is set on fire. It's hardly a fitting return.

So having Bran choose to sacrifice Hodor in order to resurrect Jon because he has seen visions of what the future will be if Jon remains dead is narratively weak?

You quoted one scene in a sequence and clearly missed that Jon doesn't 'just' come back to life because he's been set on fire in the example. He comes back to life because the Old Gods/Bloodraven/Bran use Hodor as a blood sacrifice to raise Jon in a manner that mirrors Dany's waking the dragons from stone all the way back in season one and one of the side effects of this would be that Mel regains her faith.

Mel just breathing life into him like Thoros did to Berric is narrative weaksauce. There's no destiny linked to it when its something we've already seen done by and to some pretty minor characters. Mel doing the kiss of life is the equivalent of the Dungeons & Dragons "raise dead" spell... no drama, just say the magic words and use the right magic materials and they're alive again. There's no life for a life or other sacrifice or some other condition that makes it a one time thing or linked to destiny... its something Mel could do to Jon time and again as he dies over and over like Kenny in South Park.

It also makes Mel the most important person in the story as SHE is the one with the power to raise the dead. Jon's just the lucky bastard who happened to receive the benefit of her magical prowess. She could just as easily breathe life into some random Wildlings who died taking out Alliser's men at the same time. She has the power and she is the important one in that narrative.

It's also going to take something way more than some guy she put a curse on THREE YEARS AGO finally being murdered by his ambitious brother to rekindle her faith. She has absolutely no reason to trust visions she sees in the flames because to her mind they've already showed her nothing but lies (that Stannis was Azor Ahai reborn and would win at Winterfell and that Jon would help fight at Winterfell) and no one else even have reason to know that a fellow Red Priest was able to raise the dead to encourage her to try in spite of her lost faith.

Basically, there's no good narrative way to restore Mel's faith in the maybe 5-10 minutes of screen time they'll have so that she can be the one to initiate Jon's resurrection. She's gonna need some sort of major miracle to get her unwavering faith back... something that Jon's resurrection without her intervention would certainly provide to her.

Conversely, Jon being raised by a force he and his companions are unaware of (i.e. Bran/Bloodraven/The Old Gods) after said force sees that the world is doomed unless Jon is restored and then that force sacrifices someone important to them (i.e. Hodor) for the greater good makes the story all about BRAN and his choice and about JON and his role as the savior Bran has foreseen him to be... i.e. its a story about the Starks, which is as it should be.

[Nerevanin]

On 26. 4. 2016 at 8:31 PM, ~DarkHorse~ said:

Does anyone else think that some of the NW members, who are not in the room with Davos, will still be loyal to Jon and side with Edd/ the Wildlings? There were several angry men, still glaring at Thorne after his justification speech. Hopefully, some of them will side with the 4 loyalists. It would be unfortunate to see 3/4 of Jon's men be okay with his murder. That would leave the NW with only 5 members left, if they were to be killed by the Wildlings.  Thorne was right when he said letting the Wildlings pass the Wall would bring the NW to ruin, but that was all on him, not Jon. 

In my opinion there are surely man who aren't sure that Thorne did the right thing but they can barely say it aloud when they see that most people are convinced by Alliser. Unless they want to end up dead of course. I guess that there might be a few man who secretly are loyal to Jon and they might turn against Thorne when/if the wildlings attack.