norwaywolf123 Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 1. Is there any houses you think will go extinct? 2. Is there any houses that you hope will go extinct? 3. Does Firstmen or Andal origin of houses influence their plots? I have made a list of what i think is the origin of the Houses of the Vale, do you think it is correct? The Vale Red=Extinct Blue=Exiled Andal Houses: Arryn, of the Eyrie Arryn, of Gulltown Corbray, of Heart's Home Donniger Egen Elesham, of the Paps Hersy Grafton, of Gulltown Hardyng Lynderly Melcolm Pryor, of the Pebble Ruthermont Templeton Tollet Waxley Wydman First-Men Houses: Belmore, of Strongsong Borell Brightstone Coldwater, of Coldwater Hunter Moore Redfort, of Redfort Royce, of Runestone Royce, of Gates of Moon Shell Shett, of Gulltown Shett, of Gulltower Upcliff, of Witch Island Valyrian Houses: Baelish Unknown Houses: Breakstone Longthorpe Sunderland Torrent Waynwood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of Winter-ish Stuff Posted May 1, 2016 Share Posted May 1, 2016 House Baelish is Braavosi. And I think it would be fitting if House Arryn (the main line) died out and House Royce ascended to control of the Vale once more (having briefly been Kings of the Vale). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacrosTheBlack Posted May 1, 2016 Share Posted May 1, 2016 I think house Baelish will go extinct. I don't see Littlefinger having any legit kids anytime soon. I also think the Arryns will die out although I don't know if Harry the Heir is considered an arryn. Is he just the next in line after sweet robin because he has a degree of Arryn blood or will he take on the name Arryn of he is made lord protector of the Vale? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaywolf123 Posted May 1, 2016 Author Share Posted May 1, 2016 I think these will go extinct House Baelish House Royce of the Moongate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaywolf123 Posted May 1, 2016 Author Share Posted May 1, 2016 4 hours ago, King of Winter-ish Stuff said: House Baelish is Braavosi. And I think it would be fitting if House Arryn (the main line) died out and House Royce ascended to control of the Vale once more (having briefly been Kings of the Vale). There were 1 Royce king and he was not king of the vale just of the firstmen of the vale, while there have been 100s of Arryn kings. Maybe the boltons should be king in the north too since they ruled it briefly? No house arryn is the top dog in the vale and will continu to be so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Yozza Posted May 1, 2016 Share Posted May 1, 2016 44 minutes ago, norwaywolf123 said: No house arryn is the top dog in the vale and will continu to be so. How will they? The only Arryn left is a sickly and weak child who will probably die before he reaches adulthood. After him its Harry who is a Hardyng, not an Arryn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redtree Posted May 1, 2016 Share Posted May 1, 2016 Arryn will survive through Harry, Hardyng is only a knightly house so even though he's the heir by blood he'll have to use Arryn name to rule the Vale to get much needed respect. Lords of the Vale have been mentioned as honorable and proud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaywolf123 Posted May 1, 2016 Author Share Posted May 1, 2016 1 hour ago, Adam Yozza said: How will they? The only Arryn left is a sickly and weak child who will probably die before he reaches adulthood. After him its Harry who is a Hardyng, not an Arryn. What about the Arryns of Gulltown? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaywolf123 Posted May 1, 2016 Author Share Posted May 1, 2016 1 hour ago, redtree said: Arryn will survive through Harry, Hardyng is only a knightly house so even though he's the heir by blood he'll have to use Arryn name to rule the Vale to get much needed respect. Lords of the Vale have been mentioned as honorable and proud What about the Arryns of Gulltown? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paxter Redwyne Posted May 1, 2016 Share Posted May 1, 2016 About your list, House Elesham and House Pryor are rather first men origin. Islands of Paps and Pebble were brought under rule of house arryn later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boarsbane Posted May 1, 2016 Share Posted May 1, 2016 2 hours ago, Adam Yozza said: How will they? The only Arryn left is a sickly and weak child who will probably die before he reaches adulthood. After him its Harry who is a Hardyng, not an Arryn. If Harry were to inherit he would take the name Arryn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaywolf123 Posted May 1, 2016 Author Share Posted May 1, 2016 21 minutes ago, Paxter Redwyne said: About your list, House Elesham and House Pryor are rather first men origin. Islands of Paps and Pebble were brought under rule of house arryn later. I did not find any textual evidence for Andal or Firstmen Origin so i based is on the names. Besides my thought was that some andal adevnturere/warlord landed on the islands an conquored it, it would certainly be easier to take a island than a powerfull mainland lord. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaywolf123 Posted May 1, 2016 Author Share Posted May 1, 2016 3 minutes ago, Boarsbane said: If Harry were to inherit he would take the name Arryn. But he not a Arryn in the Male Line!? How long does the Male Lines of houses usually last? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boarsbane Posted May 1, 2016 Share Posted May 1, 2016 25 minutes ago, norwaywolf123 said: But he not a Arryn in the Male Line!? How long does the Male Lines of houses usually last? He's not but we've got a past example with the Lannisters male line dying out and the husband of the female Lannister taking the Lannister name and continuing the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paxter Redwyne Posted May 1, 2016 Share Posted May 1, 2016 51 minutes ago, norwaywolf123 said: I did not find any textual evidence for Andal or Firstmen Origin so i based is on the names. Besides my thought was that some andal adevnturere/warlord landed on the islands an conquored it, it would certainly be easier to take a island than a powerfull mainland lord. If these houses were andal origin, arryns wouldn't have to conquer them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaywolf123 Posted May 1, 2016 Author Share Posted May 1, 2016 17 minutes ago, Paxter Redwyne said: If these houses were andal origin, arryns wouldn't have to conquer them. Why? The Andal adventurers were independant, they only unified arround Artys Arryn due to the Royce king and firstmen uniting to drive them out of Westeros. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaywolf123 Posted May 1, 2016 Author Share Posted May 1, 2016 41 minutes ago, Boarsbane said: He's not but we've got a past example with the Lannisters male line dying out and the husband of the female Lannister taking the Lannister name and continuing the line. But there are Arryns in Gulltown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paxter Redwyne Posted May 1, 2016 Share Posted May 1, 2016 Just now, norwaywolf123 said: Why? The Andal adventurers were independant, they only unified arround Artys Arryn due to the Royce king and firstmen uniting to drive them out of Westeros. This is what i wanted to say, all andal houses united under arryn banner during that war and sworn allegiance to artys arryn. If they were andal origin they would have already be vassals of falcon kings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaywolf123 Posted May 1, 2016 Author Share Posted May 1, 2016 2 minutes ago, Paxter Redwyne said: This is what i wanted to say, all andal houses united under arryn banner during that war and sworn allegiance to artys arryn. If they were andal origin they would have already be vassals of falcon kings. All Andal houses on the mainland. Elesham and Pryor was atleest not among the firstmen houses that fought at the battle of sevenstars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paxter Redwyne Posted May 1, 2016 Share Posted May 1, 2016 2 minutes ago, norwaywolf123 said: All Andal houses on the mainland. Elesham and Pryor was atleest not among the firstmen houses that fought at the battle of sevenstars I do not remember if it was stated in books. But whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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