White Harbors Wrath Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 1 hour ago, Tony Inchpractice said: Might be the Blackfish. I really hope not, though. Why would a northen lord (Smalljon) have a hostage from the Riverlands and give it to Ramsay? Not following this one...Jon probably wouldn't care if they did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Harbors Wrath Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 27 minutes ago, Punting on the Honeywine said: Fake Rickon would be great. In the trailer I didn't recognise the banners of the guys riding up to Winterfell. Edit: I think the guy Ramsay is talking to looks like Small Jon: http://watchersonthewall.com/smalljon-umber-cast/ The banners are Umber, on the show it's a round chain link with 4 chains going outward from it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anarcho Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 1 hour ago, Tony Inchpractice said: Might be the Blackfish. I really hope not, though. Doubt it, show Blackfish has no obvious reason to be there, nor does Ramsay have any particular use for him (sure, he could probably trade him to the Freys or the Iron Throne for something, but if that was the case the Umbers would just do that themselves). Plus, the season trailers show Jaime galloping through an army camp, which I'm going to guess is the Siege of Riverrun. Rickon seems the most obvious answer, sadly. From the show's perspective, at least, he's a fairly disposable character, and we know he's at the Last Hearth, and that he and Osha do appear in this season. Who else could it be? I suppose it could be Sansa, but again, season trailers show her free and bearing the Stark sigil, so unless they're going to have her capture and escape again, it's not her. Could be Theon - but if he's trying to reach the Iron Islands, Last Hearth is completely the wrong direction, and Umber men would not likely be routinely patrolling that far south. A surprisingly alive Stannis? Again, could be, but what's the point in revealing he's alive only to kill him for real (especially since if Stannis is alive, it's been guarded even better than Jon's revival, which is more significant). More likely would be Stannis' corpse - but again, why would the show guard that so much by not formally casting Stephen Dillane? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DireGhost Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 Just now, Anarcho said: A surprisingly alive Stannis? Again, could be, but what's the point in revealing he's alive only to kill him for real (especially since if Stannis is alive, it's been guarded even better than Jon's revival, which is more significant). More likely would be Stannis' corpse - but again, why would the show guard that so much by not formally casting Stephen Dillane? Didn't Roose and Ramsey already talk about Stannis being dead? That they didn't know who struck the final blow but he was dead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anarcho Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 I suppose it could be a fake Rickon, though. Unlike Book Ramsay, Show Ramsay wasn't at Winterfell during Theon's rule, and never appears to have been there before that (Theon clearly had never met him), so he probably has no idea what Bran and Rickon look like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anarcho Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 3 minutes ago, DireGhost said: Didn't Roose and Ramsey already talk about Stannis being dead? That they didn't know who struck the final blow but he was dead? True, but I thought they could just be assuming that. It's possible they just couldn't be bothered to show a corpse, but on the other hand Brienne might have buried it - as much as she hated Stannis, she doesn't seem the kind of person to just leave his body for the Boltons to find and defile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anarcho Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 Only reason I can find against it being Rickon (or at least real Rickon) is that if the Umbers were going to turn Rickon over, what's taken them so long? Why didn't they just hand him over to Roose as soon as he arrived back in the North, or at least when he set up at WInterfell? Then again, could just be the show not planning enough to work out that pacing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Lyanna Mormont Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 I'm just hoping that the Umbers are taking the Manderlys place and setting Ramsay up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Greggor the Baked Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 45 minutes ago, Anarcho said: Could be Theon - but if he's trying to reach the Iron Islands, Last Hearth is completely the wrong direction, and Umber men would not likely be routinely patrolling that far south. Theon did not say that he was going to the Iron Islands. Just that he was going Home. He also said this right after talking about how much he owed to the starks. The show going right to the II after he said that could be a misdirection. Not sure of book spoiler rules so... Spoiler Theon going to the Iron Islands for the Kings Moot would be a HUGE departure from the book. There is no reason for him to go there anyway. They just introduced Euron/Victarion (who is prob the person in the trailer). What purpose would he serve there? It makes much more sense in his redemption arc for him to go avenge his sins against the Stark family. It was never said the Umbers were on the side of the Boltons, just that they had a large army. And the Umbers would know Theon and Theon them. Spoiler The book also has a big conspiracy against the Boltons, that would make more sense to bring into the show then all of a sudden bringing Rickon in. I have always thought that the only reason Rickon was written into the story, is so at the end of the whole thing there is a Male Stark to have at Winterfell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Harbors Wrath Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 15 minutes ago, Ser Greggor the Baked said: Theon did not say that he was going to the Iron Islands. Just that he was going Home. He also said this right after talking about how much he owed to the starks. The show going right to the II after he said that could be a misdirection. Not sure of book spoiler rules so... Hide contents Theon going to the Iron Islands for the Kings Moot would be a HUGE departure from the book. There is no reason for him to go there anyway. They just introduced Euron/Victarion (who is prob the person in the trailer). What purpose would he serve there? It makes much more sense in his redemption arc for him to go avenge his sins against the Stark family. It was never said the Umbers were on the side of the Boltons, just that they had a large army. And the Umbers would know Theon and Theon them. Hide contents The book also has a big conspiracy against the Boltons, that would make more sense to bring into the show then all of a sudden bringing Rickon in. I have always thought that the only reason Rickon was written into the story, is so at the end of the whole thing there is a Male Stark to have at Winterfell. You're looking for an in depth interpretation of what's going on in the North. This show does not have time for that, nor the desire. Look at the rate things are being wrapped up and people are being killed off. The Umbers show up next episode with a gift? Rickon is with the Umbers per show cannon. Ramsay has a trailer voiceover that says "do you like games little man" and we know the show loves to hammer us over the head again and again how "bad" Ramsay is. Bet a paycheck on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Greggor the Baked Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 15 minutes ago, White Harbors Wrath said: You're looking for an in depth interpretation of what's going on in the North. This show does not have time for that, nor the desire. Look at the rate things are being wrapped up and people are being killed off. The Umbers show up next episode with a gift? Rickon is with the Umbers per show cannon. Ramsay has a trailer voiceover that says "do you like games little man" and we know the show loves to hammer us over the head again and again how "bad" Ramsay is. Bet a paycheck on it. They have also hammered us over the head with the North remembers and how they need a Stark to control it. Setting up a conspiracy does not take a lot of time. In fact, not setting it up would make for a better TV surprise. Make it look like the Umbers have turned sides and then at the end they come back around and turn on the Boltons. I can see it being Rickon, but I can also see it being Theon. The only thing I know for sure is this will be a long week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jon Snow Bengal Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 Edmure Tully & his son from Roselyn? How long has it been in show years since the wedding? That would be a way of bringing the Tullys & Freys back into the storyline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Harbors Wrath Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 23 minutes ago, Ser Greggor the Baked said: They have also hammered us over the head with the North remembers and how they need a Stark to control it. Setting up a conspiracy does not take a lot of time. In fact, not setting it up would make for a better TV surprise. Make it look like the Umbers have turned sides and then at the end they come back around and turn on the Boltons. I can see it being Rickon, but I can also see it being Theon. The only thing I know for sure is this will be a long week. One old lady mentioned the North remembers hardly comparable to the sheer wealth of torture and murder we've seen Ramsay behind. There were two castings, one for Umber and another for a lord with a rousing speech who switches allegiances...there's possibly a Mandrely-esque conspiracy/betrayal there. There's also filming spoilers that have Theon not in the north. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Daddy Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 I can only see this being Rickon. Putting Rickon in harm's way from episode 3 to 9 would be a way to keep the threat of Ramsay alive to the audience. Just putting myself in the show writer's shoes and not as a book fan, Ramsay just killed off and lost everyone in his reach that the audience is going to worry about. Ramsay always works best as a character when he has power over someone the audience likes or has sympathy for. Ramsay's supporting cast in his little micro story just lost Theon, Sansa, and Fat Walda. Hell, even Roose and his little mistress are gone. Who is left in Winterfell for Ramsay to even have SCENES with? His master? The new Karstark lord? Not much to build scenes around for the season. From a writer's perspective, it makes sense to give him Rickon and maybe Osha to play off of in scenes for a few episodes. What really matters is if they are going to die in episode 609 or not. At least for the endgame. If Rickon is not going to be the lord of Winterfell at the end of the series (like I always assumed he would), then it leaves only Bran to carry on the family name. And now suddenly they are talking about how Bran was never going to stay in the cave forever as if it's a given that he has another physical journey ahead of him. Hmm... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Daddy Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 As for why Theon doesn't make sense...he just left Winterfell after being captive there for 3 seasons. His story isn't just to go back there. If it was to be some redemptive suicide strike, I could only see it if we were closer to episode 9 than we are. Too many episodes between now and that for this to be Theon that's the "gift". His story was always going to be going back to the Iron Islands, just like it is in the book. That's why they set up the whole Kingsmoot idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Harbors Wrath Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 Big Daddy is right on the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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