What I would like to see happen if The Hound Returns

[13th Warrior]

Ok what I would like to see  happen if the Hound returns or some form of it anyway and what would be your story or theories? Ok lets start... In there travels to the wall Sansa ,Brienne and Pod are being pursued by the Bolton men and they end up on a isle where they meet the gravedigger The Bolton men arrive and there are more than Brienne and Pod can handle after the Bolton men tell them what they are going to do swords are drawn The grave digger reveals himself The Hound has return he  turns toward Sansa and says hello little bird and with these words Nymeria walks besides The hound and all hell breaks loose...It could be my tinfoil is wrap too tight and the Kool-Aid tastes good..but this might be fun to explore. Have at it Lads and Lassies

[The Dames do Moan]

I want "Sandor" to come back for Cersei's trial by battle. But not the regular Clegane Bowl hype though.

Sandor faces off against Ser Robert Strong, who's "old self" was on a certain someone's list. During the battle Sandor kills Robert Strong those proving Cersei's guilt and essentially killing her too. Sansa would have been brought back to KL by Brienne "the Lannister Lackey" Tarth and will be awaiting judgement. Sandor then successfully defends Sansa and afterwards they hook up.

only the next scene you see the real Sandors body dead in the Riverlands and realize that it was Arya in KL using Sandors face. She got to check 2 names off her list, she was sent by the faceless men because the penis waver's sister went to Bravoos and Arya didn't  know "Robert Strongs" name, so she could go.

After all this u see Arya change back and kill Brienne for basically kidnapping her sister and basically killing her protector in season 4. Arya and Sansa need a good time after all this so run off with Podrick the sex God. Only Jaime kills Podrick first and gets both girls.

 

[Le Cygne]

Show, maybe Sandor will run into Arya, and they will head north, and meet up with Sansa again.

Books, a better story, but Sansa and Sandor will meet up again. Either way, I'm hoping he cuts Littlefinger in half.

[OldGimletEye]

24 minutes ago, Le Cygne said:

Show, maybe Sandor will run into Arya, and they will head north, and meet up with Sansa again.

Books, a better story, but Sansa and Sandor will meet up again. Either way, I'm hoping he cuts Littlefinger in half.

Agree.

[Prince of the North]

I don't know how Martin will do it in the books but I think it's gonna be excellent!  Also, I get why people feel having Sandor and what's left of Gregor face off against each other at this point would be very, very cliche.  But I think Martin will have that confrontation happen for exactly that reason.  I think the difference will be that Sandor's motivation for seeking that confrontation will have changed greatly and that's why it will still work.  Before, Sandor absolutely lived to revenge himself upon his cruel brother.  But I think he was finally able to set that aside.  Now, I could definitely see Sandor fighting UnGregor for a few other reasons that don't have anything to do with revenge (i.e. to protect someone he cares about, to protect the people from the monster his brother has become, or even to release his once hated brother from being the undead monster he's been made into, or some combination or these things, etc.)

Anyway, I think Martin has always planned to do something different with the "revenge" trope that had set Sandor up with at first.  Remember, in order to do something different with or subvert a trope that trope must first be established

 

[Ser Gareth]

2 hours ago, Le Cygne said:

Show, maybe Sandor will run into Arya, and they will head north, and meet up with Sansa again.

Books, a better story, but Sansa and Sandor will meet up again. Either way, I'm hoping he cuts Littlefinger in half.

I'm hoping he doesn't reappear in either.  GRRM & the show need to be cutting back on characters.  And not every character needs a full resolution.  I think the gravedigger possibility is a fitting open ended outcome for the Hound.

[Minuteman]

Well, consider that the show likes to use book scenes but have different characters involved what I propose is that there will be a great battle between the Stark loyalists led by Jon and the Boltons led by Ramsay and the latter group loses. The "gravedigger" will make his appearance doing exactly that - digging graves for the fallen. Ramsay, thought dead, plays the part of Biter at the inn and attacks Sansa and Brienne along with his small haggard group of Bolton survivors. Brienne is incapacitated after killing Ramsays escort, Ramsay starts choking the life out of Sansa, and the "gravedigger" puts a sword through the back of his head same as Lem did Biter. There just isn't enough screen time for Brienne to embark on another solo adventure or for there to be a deep story on Sandors return so that would be my guess on how it goes down.

[A Ghost of Someone]

The Hound will go to Sansa, especially if she is in peril. I want him to kill LF most of all, on her orders or not. The Hound needs to come in and fight for her and her house. Depending on the battle of Riverrun, Maybe Brienne brings the Hound back up North to take part in the Battle of the bastards.

 

If and when Brienne meets the Hound again, I wonder what the dialogue will be?

[Karmarni]

Books and Show I think he will return to play his further part in the story. He is a quarterback, after all. Still has his horse, and therefore, still a non-knight.  And we all know how much GRRM does love his knights and quarterbacks.

At this point in the story Jaime and Sansa are the ones who think of him most. But the show seems dead set to have him important to Arya too. So he'll most likely re-enter the story on the show through Septon Meri-Brother and serve as his protector. Then happen upon Arya. I'd like to see Brienne, Jaime, Sansa and Sandor (along with Arya and her wolf pack in the show) together in the future. I think that it will be through Sandor on the show that Arya is reunited with Jon. And then we'll see Sandor reunited with Sansa. And then he will be able to reveal what Littlefinger did to Ned and unravel those secrets LF is holding out on from Sansa. Then LF dies. Maybe Sandor cuts him in half. Maybe Sansa cuts his throat. She's bound to kill at some point. I think there will only be one Sansa kill. And I would like to see it be on behalf of Sandor.

[Barrystan the Bald]

23 hours ago, Ser Gareth said:

I'm hoping he doesn't reappear in either.  GRRM & the show need to be cutting back on characters.  And not every character needs a full resolution.  I think the gravedigger possibility is a fitting open ended outcome for the Hound.

Completely agree with this. I'll be extremely disappointed if they bring him back in the show - The ending crafted by Martin in the books provides a beautiful resolution to the Hound's story. This former hate-filled warrior has somehow found his way to a life of peace and anonymity amongst a group of monks. OR - lest we forget, he may have actually died under that tree. I think Martin loves to create these ambiguous endings for his characters, and personally I think bringing him back for some kind of ZOMG CLEGANEBOWL HYPE fest would be wrong. 

[bb1180]

Given that he's a relatively minor character in the story,  and doesn't seem of any significant potential importance to anyone else's arc,  I agree with those that say there's little apparent reason to bring him back in either book or show format.  Maybe they can find a plausible and truly useful reason to bother with it,  but I can't.  

 

[Le Cygne]

Sansa is dreaming of Sandor's kiss in the books, and GRRM said that's "important" and there is more to come as well as more of Sandor's story to come. And he is not at peace at all, the Elder Brother said Stranger has his master's nature and he is literally biting and kicking to leave, and Sandor is throwing dirt at the feet of passing knights.

And the showrunners said the role of bringing Sandor back is of "key importance" and they also said "I would hope you can't help but love the Hound" after he was supposedly dead, and there was lots of setup with both Sansa and Ayra, notably romantic setup with lots of Beauty and the Beast hints with Sansa, so again, more to come.

Also note that he was in the main cast since the show began, and the showrunners also referred to him as a "main" character, and they are bringing him back...

There's an interesting line in the books, "she'll be singing to the Stranger, begging for his kiss" and he's going on and on about her "pretty little song" and she's going on and on about his kiss. And from her last chapter, "He took a song and a kiss, and left me nothing but a bloody cloak." which is loaded with significance.

[Karmarni]

I certainly disagree with the viewpoint that Sandor Clegane is of little importance to the story. Since we are in a show thread here, I have to say it's laughable to think that he is not coming back given rumors and Ian McShane's comments. Those who live under a rock might not know, but we're here at the Westeros forum, I'd say it's pretty common knowledge the Hound will return.

Sandor Clegane is of importance to Sansa and to Arya (Arya much more in the show than the books, at least so far). But it seems to me that with his reintroduction he will play a further role in the destructive future that is coming. He's strong, and he's big and he's smart. He's not an undead like his brother and Jon Snow are. And he's the one person outside of Cersei and Varys who knows what Littlefinger did to Ned Stark. That's important in my book because Sansa needs to know this. She will learn of this. She has been foreshadowed on the show to kill (by Tyrion) and she will, I have no doubt. If she doesn't kill Littlefinger, I think it's likely that she'll kill someone to save the life of Sandor. And when he sees Sansa again, it will be quite the moment. This is the only man who's cared about her and not used her, and that includes Tyrion, who used her, even if he didn't bed her. She's going to express her regret in not going with Sandor when he came to take her from King's Landing. It's so obvious to me that this was set up. 

I don't think there will be this reddit-hyped Cleganebowl. That's just a "who's the best fighter in Westeros" kind of thing and in my opinion was built from that kind of thinking and not from a story-centered characterization or plot forwarding. UnGregor will die. It doesn't have to be by Sandor's hand, that seems trite. It could definitely be by Arya though.

And from the books we know that Sansa thinks Sandor's kiss is the kind that happens in a "marriage bed." That's quite the kiss that girl has dreamed up. I can't see how a kiss that she's thought of over and over won't have any meaning. Of course it will.

[OldGimletEye]

I think anyone that thinks that a good ending for Sandor would be some sort of zen like, he's found peace, let's all pull our bongs out, take a hit, sing Kumbaya and ponder the higher mysteries of life sort of thingy are going to be disappointed.

I would have thought Sandor's end might be the zen like, he's found peace, let's all pull our bongs out and take a hit, sing Kumbaya and ponder the higher mysteries of life sort of thing if the last reference to Sandor would have Brienne seeing him as the Gravedigger. But, the references to him in the books didn't stop there. They just kept on a commin. So, I am quite convinced he'll be back in the books.

And I have enough confidence that Martin will do something interesting with him, even if it's not the zen like, he's found peace, let's all pull our bongs out and take a hit, sing Kumbaya and ponder the higher mysteries of life sort of thing.

And I am pretty sure he's coming back in the show, given the references to him. And I think his future lies with the Stark girls in some way.

[bb1180]

2 hours ago, Karmarni said:

I certainly disagree with the viewpoint that Sandor Clegane is of little importance to the story. Since we are in a show thread here, I have to say it's laughable to think that he is not coming back given rumors and Ian McShane's comments. Those who live under a rock might not know, but we're here at the Westeros forum, I'd say it's pretty common knowledge the Hound will return.

There are fairly credible rumors he'll return in the show,  but we'll see. I'm not saying that he hasn't been an important support character.  He has,  and has indeed played a significant role in the development of both Arya and Sansa as you state. That statement was geared toward his future role and right now,  I have trouble placing him moving forward. The most readily apparent reasons for him to be brought back into the story would be the two you mention,  CleganeBowl or SanSan.  Personally,  I don't think either of them will play out as expected,  but those theories have their proponents and GRRM has certainly fueled them in the books. 

[House Cambodia]

3 hours ago, Karmarni said:

I certainly disagree with the viewpoint that Sandor Clegane is of little importance to the story. Since we are in a show thread here, I have to say it's laughable to think that he is not coming back given rumors and Ian McShane's comments. Those who live under a rock might not know, but we're here at the Westeros forum, I'd say it's pretty common knowledge the Hound will return.

Sandor Clegane is of importance to Sansa and to Arya (Arya much more in the show than the books, at least so far). But it seems to me that with his reintroduction he will play a further role in the destructive future that is coming. He's strong, and he's big and he's smart. He's not an undead like his brother and Jon Snow are. And he's the one person outside of Cersei and Varys who knows what Littlefinger did to Ned Stark. That's important in my book because Sansa needs to know this. She will learn of this. She has been foreshadowed on the show to kill (by Tyrion) and she will, I have no doubt. If she doesn't kill Littlefinger, I think it's likely that she'll kill someone to save the life of Sandor. And when he sees Sansa again, it will be quite the moment. This is the only man who's cared about her and not used her, and that includes Tyrion, who used her, even if he didn't bed her. She's going to express her regret in not going with Sandor when he came to take her from King's Landing. It's so obvious to me that this was set up. 

I don't think there will be this reddit-hyped Cleganebowl. That's just a "who's the best fighter in Westeros" kind of thing and in my opinion was built from that kind of thinking and not from a story-centered characterization or plot forwarding. UnGregor will die. It doesn't have to be by Sandor's hand, that seems trite. It could definitely be by Arya though.

And from the books we know that Sansa thinks Sandor's kiss is the kind that happens in a "marriage bed." That's quite the kiss that girl has dreamed up. I can't see how a kiss that she's thought of over and over won't have any meaning. Of course it will.

I completely agree with this and LeCygne's post above. Whilst the 'Cleganbowl' hypothesis comes across as naff to me, there's plenty of mileage in the Old Hound yet. Well, a new Hound, and this for me is very significant, as I outline in my post here:

http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php?/topic/139578-will-jon-remember-ghost-possible-spoilers/

[jugdesh258]

On 5/6/2016 at 1:38 PM, Prince of the North said:

I don't know how Martin will do it in the books but I think it's gonna be excellent!  Also, I get why people feel having Sandor and what's left of Gregor face off against each other at this point would be very, very cliche.  But I think Martin will have that confrontation happen for exactly that reason.  I think the difference will be that Sandor's motivation for seeking that confrontation will have changed greatly and that's why it will still work.  Before, Sandor absolutely lived to revenge himself upon his cruel brother.  But I think he was finally able to set that aside.  Now, I could definitely see Sandor fighting UnGregor for a few other reasons that don't have anything to do with revenge (i.e. to protect someone he cares about, to protect the people from the monster his brother has become, or even to release his once hated brother from being the undead monster he's been made into, or some combination or these things, etc.)

Anyway, I think Martin has always planned to do something different with the "revenge" trope that had set Sandor up with at first.  Remember, in order to do something different with or subvert a trope that trope must first be established

 

This is Clegane bowl.  Nobody ever said it would be about revenge.  More about Sandor overcoing his last fear.   Sandor is unwitting champion of faith although the book may hint that there are seven champions of faith.   The irony is that he is fighting for his brother that is now monster rather then against.   Can't help if it is cliche because fans figured this out for a long time unless GRRM unwrites it for that reason

[Prince of the North]

15 hours ago, jugdesh258 said:

This is Clegane bowl.  Nobody ever said it would be about revenge.  More about Sandor overcoing his last fear.   Sandor is unwitting champion of faith although the book may hint that there are seven champions of faith.   The irony is that he is fighting for his brother that is now monster rather then against.   Can't help if it is cliche because fans figured this out for a long time unless GRRM unwrites it for that reason

If Sandor battling with UnGregor would be due to his still wanting revenge, and nothing else, it would be cliche and boring.  But I'm saying I believe Martin will still have the battle but he'll "flip the script" on the all-important reasons for it.  I think Martin will do something different with the revenge trope here just as he's done so much different with so many other tropes.

[Prince of the North]

15 hours ago, jugdesh258 said:

This is Clegane bowl.  Nobody ever said it would be about revenge.  More about Sandor overcoing his last fear.   Sandor is unwitting champion of faith although the book may hint that there are seven champions of faith.   The irony is that he is fighting for his brother that is now monster rather then against.   Can't help if it is cliche because fans figured this out for a long time unless GRRM unwrites it for that reason

If Sandor battling with UnGregor would be due to his still wanting revenge, and nothing else, it would be cliche and boring.  But I'm saying I believe Martin will still have the battle but he'll "flip the script" on the all-important reasons for it.  I think Martin will do something different with the revenge trope here just as he's done so much different with so many other tropes.

[WayneSnow]

On 6 May 2016 at 4:41 PM, The Dames do Moan said:

I want "Sandor" to come back for Cersei's trial by battle. But not the regular Clegane Bowl hype though.

Sandor faces off against Ser Robert Strong, who's "old self" was on a certain someone's list. During the battle Sandor kills Robert Strong those proving Cersei's guilt and essentially killing her too. Sansa would have been brought back to KL by Brienne "the Lannister Lackey" Tarth and will be awaiting judgement. Sandor then successfully defends Sansa and afterwards they hook up.

only the next scene you see the real Sandors body dead in the Riverlands and realize that it was Arya in KL using Sandors face. She got to check 2 names off her list, she was sent by the faceless men because the penis waver's sister went to Bravoos and Arya didn't  know "Robert Strongs" name, so she could go.

After all this u see Arya change back and kill Brienne for basically kidnapping her sister and basically killing her protector in season 4. Arya and Sansa need a good time after all this so run off with Podrick the sex God. Only Jaime kills Podrick first and gets both girls.

 

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