[Spoilers] Rant and Rave without Reprecussions - Season 6 Edition

[OldGimletEye]

53 minutes ago, LazyBazooka said:

Game of Thrones: were women can only be empowered if they emulate masculine qualities or kill men directly (while calling them weak).

 

It's like:

In season 4, we saw Sandor rob a farmer and then give a bullshit excuse about it.

Now that was disappointing, because I am going to say, that really doesn't seem consistent with his book character. Now some people might think this is a stretch here, but hold on for moment. In the books, Sandor does do honest work for pay. And then when he is asked to leave by the villagers he packs his shit up and goes. 

So it was really kind of disappointing to see Sandor portrayed that way. But nobody, nobody thought it was cool for show!Sandor to do that. It was a bullshit move. We all know it was bad. The show portrayed it as being bad. Nobody, in their right mind, would have seen that act as being justified or "bad ass". The point of the scene was to show that Sandor had some darkness to his character. That he was still flawed. And if I recall correctly, Arya even raised the bullshit flag on it, a little bit at least, as she should have. There was nothing "empowering"  or "kewl" about show!Sandor's act there.

But, then Brienne does something like being a bully, and it's "empowering!" and "bad ass". And I think were not supposed to question anything she does or have a problem with it. And certainly no character in story really raises the bullshit flag over some of the stuff she does. The situation is the same with the Sand Fakes and maybe others.

I don't have a problem with characters necessarily, whether male or female, being portrayed as being less than perfect or succumbing to very real emotions or being kind of gray at times. But I get really annoyed when I feel that somehow we're being told or it is being indicated that we shouldn't have a bit of problem with anything a character does because they are just so awesome or showing their  "empowerment". It's bit like what I would call the "Tyrion effect" because I just get the sort of feeling that we're supposed to fist pump every time St. Tyrion does or says something. And that is quite frankly insulting to my intelligence as I'm sure it is to everyone else's.

[HairGrowsBack]

4 minutes ago, SuperMario said:

Yep. I've been torturing myself over there as well. From the comments section:

• Jon and Sansa reunited = so many feels

• Tormund + Brienne needs to happen

• Dany emerging unburnt from the temple in Vaes Dothrak made me ridiculously happy

 

Be glad you aren't on tumblr 

 

There is really nothing to salvage anymore : every character is either an arsehole, boring, or a boring arsehole.  I thought Cat had gotten the wrong end of the stick, but no, let's just have my other faves be arrogant, brutish jerks (Brienne), or emasculated puppies (Jaime).

[The_half_fan]

10 minutes ago, The Prince of Porne said:

This show is barely worth ranting about any more...what more can be said once internal logic and consistency of any sort have been abandoned? All one can do is enjoy the dumb spectacle for what it's worth and take solace in the fact that most of this has fuck all to do with ASOIAF at this point (and thank you GRRM for the not-so-subtle reminder of this with the recently released Arianne chapter).

 

 

I'm still not over it yet. Its like a relationship gone bad. I know I should walk away but I can't quite. Its like my first date was S01. We knew we're in a relationship by S02. We moved in together by S03. I knew moving in together was a bad idea as the cracks were showing. But I still went for it. But then came dark clouds of S05. I knew it couldn't last but I gave it another chance. I gave it a whole year thinking it'll get better. But now I need to rant about it to everyone and anyone who'll listen. I need to convince myself that I'm doing the right thing by walking away. 

[rjrckts]

What are you people going to do once Game of Thrones has finished?

[CrastorsLivingSon]

8 minutes ago, rjrckts said:

 

What are you people going to do once Game of Thrones has finished?

 

Discuss the books same as the boards have done before the show "adapted" them?  

[Toth]

I'm not entirely sure I want to continue with my watch. Especially when I look back and realize how happy I was that the recorder crashed and I missed to watch the white saviour Deadpan striking again. Up until then, I was utterly and thoroughly bored to tears.

Seriously, I couldn't even appreciate the scenes between Jon Sansa due to how disconnected everything was, how the setup, the execution and the underlying messages were ranging from extremely clumsy to downright offensive. The way they were addressing all those elephants in the living room (Shireen's fate, Jon betraying his vow, Littlefinger throwing Sansa away, the Tyrell's having an army) by bringing them up and then either interrupt them only to drop it, people shrugging it off or by being swept up by the someone who really shouldn't fix those problems.

Then there is the entire atmosphere that drags me down. It was really noteworthy to see Sansa smile and even this is tarnished by the awfulness of her situation. It's like there is a deeply rooted lethargy in the story D&D tell, one that is caused by their depressingly nihilistic world view. Everything is darkly lit and miserable. Everybody is shitty to each other. Jokes are only of the offensive kind. Everybody just shuffles onwards with a grim expression. It really doesn't feel like a world you can really live in. It sure as hell isn't the one GRRM created. Westeros has a lot of darkness, but beneath there is still humanity to be found. It is the world where Arya plays her lying game with the waif, the world Tommen plays with his kittens, the world in which Garlan Tyrell is penpals with the Red Viper, the world in which siblings always remember each other even when they are apart, the world in which an entire kingdom rallied to save Ned Stark's daughter. The world in which Tormund loves his kids and makes his boastful jokes. The world in which Thorne still needs to train Ghost how to juggle, the world in which Barristan went out of his way to acquire his queen a pile of pillows after a throwaway line about iron cheeks. It's those moments I miss and which simply can't be replaced with fratboy humor.

And then there is the way the plot related dialogue is written. The game of thrones in ASoIaF is actually rather simple. You have a lot of players, each one with a backstory that gave them a certain ambition. The complexity is only created through the sheer number of players and the way their respective ambitions are clashing with each other. The dialogue in itself therefore is either exposition to give a glimpse upon what exactly someone wants and where this comes from, or he actively pursues his goals and moves chess pieces. In Game of Thrones you might think the approach should be similar. But instead the dialogue is more or less just meaningless rambling about the way the world is, or saying which person/subject a character likes, not likes, which position they belong to. Considering how much those viewpoints switch between scenes, I can't honestly say that there is any suspension in that whatsover. It is like a soap-opera that needs to be stretched over countless seasons and in which the writers just throw new situations at the actors, forcing the characters to change just to make the drama possible. It is lazy. It is pointless. And it makes your head hurt as soon as you start to think about it for a second.

Ugh... I just needed to get rid of this rant, sorry. This show is such a travesty. Such a big missed opportunity...

[The_half_fan]

30 minutes ago, rjrckts said:

What are you people going to do once Game of Thrones has finished?

Give up my profession as a shoe maker, quit throwing orgies, walk around in bare feet and hang out with the homeless.

[TickTak7]

45 minutes ago, The_half_fan said:

I'm still not over it yet. Its like a relationship gone bad. I know I should walk away but I can't quite. Its like my first date was S01. We knew we're in a relationship by S02. We moved in together by S03. I knew moving in together was a bad idea as the cracks were showing. But I still went for it. But then came dark clouds of S05. I knew it couldn't last but I gave it another chance. I gave it a whole year thinking it'll get better. But now I need to rant about it to everyone and anyone who'll listen. I need to convince myself that I'm doing the right thing by walking away. 

Lol, amazing post. I laughed. 

I won't tell you that walking away is the right thing though. It isn't. 

[A Ghost of Someone]

1 hour ago, SuperMario said:

Another question/problem I have during Uncle Batfinger's scene. He tells Bronze Yohn that they were attacked by Bolton men on their way to the Fingers.

The last time Batfinger talked to Bronze Yohn they were in the Vale. I know that the Fingers are located in the Northeast portion of the Vale, but in order to get to them, they would in no way come close to Bolton territory. The very least would be near the Twins, and since the Vale has not declared for the Starks, there would be no reason to be attacked by either the Boltons or anyone else.

So there is one of three answers.

1. Bronze Yohn is a complete idiot and believes that.
2. D&D are complete idiots and forget how geography works on their show.
3. I am a complete idiot for trying to rationalize an irrational show.

I think Royce knows but LF and Joff 2.0 (Sweet Robin) just emasculated him but will let him live a while longer because he is an experienced field commander. He is a walking dead man though, Royce.

[The_half_fan]

28 minutes ago, Toth said:

And then there is the way the plot related dialogue is written. The game of thrones in ASoIaF is actually rather simple. You have a lot of players, each one with a backstory that gave them a certain ambition. The complexity is only created through the sheer number of players and the way their respective ambitions are clashing with each other. The dialogue in itself therefore is either exposition to give a glimpse upon what exactly someone wants and where this comes from, or he actively pursues his goals and moves chess pieces. In Game of Thrones you might think the approach should be similar. But instead the dialogue is more or less just meaningless rambling about the way the world is, or saying which person/subject a character likes, not likes, which position they belong to. Considering how much those viewpoints switch between scenes, I can't honestly say that there is any suspension in that whatsover. It is like a soap-opera that needs to be stretched over countless seasons and in which the writers just throw new situations at the actors, forcing the characters to change just to make the drama possible. It is lazy. It is pointless. And it makes your head hurt as soon as you start to think about it for a second.

 

So true.

[Chebyshov]

26 minutes ago, Toth said:

Then there is the entire atmosphere that drags me down. It was really noteworthy to see Sansa smile and even this is tarnished by the awfulness of her situation. It's like there is a deeply rooted lethargy in the story D&D tell, one that is caused by their depressingly nihilistic world view. Everything is darkly lit and miserable. Everybody is shitty to each other. Jokes are only of the offensive kind. Everybody just shuffles onwards with a grim expression. It really doesn't feel like a world you can really live in. It sure as hell isn't the one GRRM created. Westeros has a lot of darkness, but beneath there is still humanity to be found. It is the world where Arya plays her lying game with the waif, the world Tommen plays with his kittens, the world in which Garlan Tyrell is penpals with the Red Viper, the world in which siblings always remember each other even when they are apart, the world in which an entire kingdom rallied to save Ned Stark's daughter. The world in which Tormund loves his kids and makes his boastful jokes. The world in which Thorne still needs to train Ghost how to juggle, the world in which Barristan went out of his way to acquire his queen a pile of pillows after a throwaway line about iron cheeks. It's those moments I miss and which simply can't be replaced with fratboy humor.

YUP. It's a sadistic slog-fest. This is what gets me the most because I really fail to see how anyone can care what happens in this show. Like, if they're placing money on "who's gonna die," then okay, but how can anyone care?

Also sorry, I'm still trying to catch up, but please tell me we've thoroughly covered the idiocy of Jon still eating the NW food and being all pissy? How's this advancing his "get warm" agenda?

[The Fattest Leech]

30 minutes ago, Toth said:

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Then there is the entire atmosphere that drags me down. It was really noteworthy to see Sansa smile and even this is tarnished by the awfulness of her situation. It's like there is a deeply rooted lethargy in the story D&D tell, one that is caused by their depressingly nihilistic world view. Everything is darkly lit and miserable. Everybody is shitty to each other. Jokes are only of the offensive kind. Everybody just shuffles onwards with a grim expression. It really doesn't feel like a world you can really live in. It sure as hell isn't the one GRRM created. Westeros has a lot of darkness, but beneath there is still humanity to be found. It is the world where Arya plays her lying game with the waif, the world Tommen plays with his kittens, the world in which Garlan Tyrell is penpals with the Red Viper, the world in which siblings always remember each other even when they are apart, the world in which an entire kingdom rallied to save Ned Stark's daughter. The world in which Tormund loves his kids and makes his boastful jokes. The world in which Thorne still needs to train Ghost how to juggle, the world in which Barristan went out of his way to acquire his queen a pile of pillows after a throwaway line about iron cheeks. It's those moments I miss and which simply can't be replaced with fratboy humor.

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Ugh... I just needed to get rid of this rant, sorry. This show is such a travesty. Such a big missed opportunity...

This was beautifully said. I can't tell you how much I love the fact that you remember this detail. It is a favorite of mine as well.

Is it bad that I only want to watch any more GoT just to see Ian McShane act his Septon Meribrother part? Since the show is not completely past AFFC and ADWD, I am hoping we get a little bit of Nimble Dick to add some humor to the place, because there is humor, it is just absent on the show.

[Prince of the North]

15 minutes ago, A Ghost of Someone said:

I think Royce knows but LF and Joff 2.0 (Sweet Robin) just emasculated him but will let him live a while longer because he is an experienced field commander. He is a walking dead man though, Royce.

Gah!  It is as I suspected!  LF's story of being waylaid by Boltons is even more stupid than I thought!  The Royce's seat is Runestone which is directly on the coast.  When LF dropped Sweetrobin there the glaringly obvious manner in which to get to the Fingers would be to sail.  So...were they waylaid at sea by Bolton men or in the heart of the Vale by Bolton men?

Also, you have a great point here!  Which is why, if the show had any internal consistency at all, Royce would have taken the very easy opportunity to keep Sweetrobin for himself and to make sure LF either met some unfortunate accident on the road or is never allowed back in the Vale.  What could LF do about it?  He has no troops, etc. without Sweetrobin

[LadySoftheart]

6 hours ago, ambi76 said:

I almost fell out of my bed from laughter when I read that this morning on my tablet. Carol fucking Lannister savior of house Tyrell!11!!*

<snip>

*Well, maybe this goes totally wrong and then it's all her fault again. Poor Carol.

 

It looks like Larry will be in charge of the Tyrell rescue mission (per the season trailers) so it will DEFINITELY go totally wrong. But it won't be Carol's fault!

[OldGimletEye]

3 minutes ago, LadySoftheart said:

It looks like Larry will be in charge of the Tyrell rescue mission (per the season trailers) so it will DEFINITELY go totally wrong. But it won't be Carol's fault!

Poor Carol. Good help is so hard to find.

[Prince of the North]

19 minutes ago, Chebyshov said:

YUP. It's a sadistic slog-fest. This is what gets me the most because I really fail to see how anyone can care what happens in this show. Like, if they're placing money on "who's gonna die," then okay, but how can anyone care?

Also sorry, I'm still trying to catch up, but please tell me we've thoroughly covered the idiocy of Jon still eating the NW food and being all pissy? How's this advancing his "get warm" agenda?

Yes!  Why is he still there?  Either everyone thinks that his death absolves him of his NW vows and, thus, it's tots cool that he says he's no longer LC OR everyone thinks his death does not absolve him of his NW vows and he, ironically, really should now be executed for reals due to, you know, deserting his post!

As it stands now in the show, either he should be gone OR he should be executed by the NW!  Not still functioning as LC while considering himself no longer LC.

[Tijgy]

Hey, children

http://winteriscoming.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Children-of-the-Forest-630x354.jpg 

[Prince of the North]

4 minutes ago, Tijgy said:

Hey, children

http://winteriscoming.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Children-of-the-Forest-630x354.jpg 

Is Bran going to have a vision concerning the CotF?  

[Lord Greenhood]

The only noteworthy thing to rant and rave about is on the people at the positive GoT discussion thread who think that the show is better than the books even after the D's are pulling of shit every week that you good people point out makes no sense or just out of character. This is the real positive thread for humans that enjoy good story telling.

[The_half_fan]

6 minutes ago, Tijgy said:

Hey, children

http://winteriscoming.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Children-of-the-Forest-630x354.jpg 

Do they get decent dialogue and a story or will they be Sand Snakes 2.0?