Gears of the Beast Posted June 5, 2016 Share Posted June 5, 2016 18 minutes ago, KiDisaster said: Well that's a load of old shit. For what? The Lesnar thing? Well they refused to comment but yeah, most likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramsay B. Posted June 5, 2016 Share Posted June 5, 2016 How dare he leak it a half hour before the Empire!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gears of the Beast Posted June 5, 2016 Share Posted June 5, 2016 I know you don't mean it negatively but he didn't leak anything, he's a journalist with sources - he reported it. What's also weird is that they kicked out MMAFighting's photographer and camera guy. Esther Lin was cageside doing her job which has nothing to do with reporting and they forced her to leave before the mainevent. It's unclear whether this ban applies to them as well or even all MMAFighting staff. If they ban Esther Lin from photographing UFC events -her job- that would be beyond the fucking pale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castel Posted June 5, 2016 Share Posted June 5, 2016 2 hours ago, Gears of the Beast said: UFC escorted Ariel out of the building, removed his credentials and banned him for life prior to the mainevent. Hopefully other media guys light them up that the press conference, otherwise they're cowards - that's it. Is there an MMA press? I mean, half of them seem to stay afloat by packaging stuff Joe Rogan drops on his podcast as scoops. They're not fighting anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gears of the Beast Posted June 5, 2016 Share Posted June 5, 2016 22 minutes ago, Castel said: Is there an MMA press? I mean, half of them seem to stay afloat by packaging stuff Joe Rogan drops on his podcast as scoops. They're not fighting anything. Well they'll fight by whining about it on Twitter I guess... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castel Posted June 5, 2016 Share Posted June 5, 2016 Just now, Gears of the Beast said: Well they'll fight by whining about it on Twitter I guess... I don't think they'll even get that. Well...that's not true. Robin Black has actually come out and sort of thrown Ariel under the bus for not being as awesome as analysts like him. Quite frankly, the entire framing of this issue, even from fans, is suboptimal. They didn't just throw out Ariel, throwing out his colleagues is even worse, and should be something the media should especially be interested in, even if they don't care about Ariel. But they won't be. Also: anyone caught the post fight presser? Rockhold was tilted out of his fucking mind. It's great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gears of the Beast Posted June 6, 2016 Share Posted June 6, 2016 Various media guys are speaking up, Robin Black isn't media he's just an idiot (although they're not mutually exclusive). I think the main problem is that MMAFighting and/or Ariel haven't addressed it yet so we're kinda missing key details like whether or not Esther Lin and EKC are banned too. The guys reporting it now are essentially reporting on Tweets because UFC and Ariel won't comment. Rockhold isn't a particularly nice guy but he's not a straight up asshole like Bisping is. That post fight presser...Bisping is the most annoying champion I can think of. He'll be an underdog and probably lose to whoever he has to fight first whether it's Rockhold, Weidman, Jacare or Yoel. Which actually is a good question because I have no idea what they're gonna do. Everyone likes to pretend that Jacare still deserves the next shot even though he lost to Yoel. I'd give it to Yoel or Weidman. Give Rockhold some time and maybe a tune up fight and let Jacare whine about not getting a title shot on a 1 fight win streak against a decrepit Vitor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calibandar Posted June 6, 2016 Share Posted June 6, 2016 Holloway vs Lamas was great. Holloway is indeed fantastic. Didn't really love Cruz vs Faber. I remember thinking in the Cruz vs Dillashaw matchup, which was much closer than this one, that Dillashaw should have won and thus retained his title. But it was given to Cruz, who outright dominated Faber here, and Faber knew it. Good match, but one sided nonetheless.. Rockhold vs Bisping was obviously a bit of a shocker. Doesn't seem like this division really has a strong champion, with Weidman losing to Rockhold fair and square and now this. Rockhold vs Weidman was a great fight though. You could tell Rockhold felt like an idiot for understimating Bisping after the fight, he will want a rematch right away. But fair is fair, he was knocked out. Finally, very excited for UFC 200, also very keen to see Lesnar's return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiDisaster Posted June 6, 2016 Share Posted June 6, 2016 Cruz vs Faber was painful to watch honestly. He lost in the first round and spent the next four kinda running away. I assume the only thing he cared about at that point was not getting finished. I felt bad for him, also I'd been rooting for him 'cause underdogs. Cruz just outclassed him every step of the way. Holloway vs Lamas was amazing I need to watch Lesnar's fights. Never saw any of them. For some reason I assumed he would have been more of a gimmick attraction as a UFC fighter but apparently he was actually really good. Silly of me to just assume things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gears of the Beast Posted June 6, 2016 Share Posted June 6, 2016 Well it's hard to be a UFC champ and also a gimmick attraction. Winning the heavyweight belt in your 4th ever professional fight... the guy was a fucking aberration and a huge part of why MMA is where it is today. Many people (including myself) like to believe that if it weren't for his absolutely horrific disease (diverticulitis) his reign of destruction would have lasted a lot longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gears of the Beast Posted June 6, 2016 Share Posted June 6, 2016 Lesnar vs Hunt confirmed, what a crazy fight. People were speculating it would be Hunt because a while ago he said Dana was telling him to stay ready for 200 but I never expected Lesnar to take such a dangerous/good opponent. Meanwhile Fedor is fighting cans in in Japan, respect to Brock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gears of the Beast Posted June 7, 2016 Share Posted June 7, 2016 Watching Ariel cry is pretty tough :/ Also apparently Kimbo Slice just died so RIP I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiDisaster Posted June 7, 2016 Share Posted June 7, 2016 Seems the ban on Ariel and his colleagues has been lifted: http://www.ufc.com/news/UFC-Statement-June-6 A bunch of people getting upset on the Internet may have actually had an effect. A bunch of people were canceling their fight pass subscriptions also from what I saw. I really hate this statement though. "We feel confident our position has now been adequately communicated to the SB Nation editorial team." Way to come off like a bunch of smug bullies. I hope Ariel and the rest of the MMAFighting team don't change a damn thing about how they operate. The MMA Hour today was heartbreaking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gears of the Beast Posted June 7, 2016 Share Posted June 7, 2016 Yeah I think this was always going to happen. I don't think they care about fan backlash, it was even worse when Stitch was randomly fired. They care about their perception and this was just making them look terrible which culminated in Ariel's speech on the MMA Hour. Plus I don't even think they thought about it at all. From what Ariel said it sounds like Lorenzo just flipped his shit, none of it makes sense especially banning their photographer and camera guy when Marc Raimondi was still there covering the fights for MMAFighting, like they forgot about him or something. What's surprising to me is that they're still trying to push this bullshit about Ariel having sketchy journalism practices, I thought they would apologise and rescind all of that criticism because it's such obvious nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calibandar Posted June 7, 2016 Share Posted June 7, 2016 I wonder if UFC 200 will be aired in full. How it works here is that they always air 5 fights, the top billings. Everything below that is not aired on Fox over here. With so many good fights at UFC200 though, that really needs to be aired in full. Cain vs Browne has gone down to no.5 even. I want to see Northcutt, and Mousasi, and Dillashaw, and Zingano. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gears of the Beast Posted June 7, 2016 Share Posted June 7, 2016 Strictly just 5 fights? Even if the maincard is 4 fights..? That's pretty weird. Well at least it's free. PPVs are expensive as fuck for people outside of those European countries with free TV deals. Pretty sure I'm going to miss UFC 200 though, I'll be on holiday on a small island in Greece, dreadful timing :/ Thinking I'm just gonna go off the internet grid and watch it when I get back but that's easier said than done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiDisaster Posted June 7, 2016 Share Posted June 7, 2016 9 hours ago, Gears of the Beast said: Yeah I think this was always going to happen. I don't think they care about fan backlash, it was even worse when Stitch was randomly fired. They care about their perception and this was just making them look terrible which culminated in Ariel's speech on the MMA Hour. Plus I don't even think they thought about it at all. From what Ariel said it sounds like Lorenzo just flipped his shit, none of it makes sense especially banning their photographer and camera guy when Marc Raimondi was still there covering the fights for MMAFighting, like they forgot about him or something. What's surprising to me is that they're still trying to push this bullshit about Ariel having sketchy journalism practices, I thought they would apologise and rescind all of that criticism because it's such obvious nonsense. I just don't get the UFC's complete unwillingness to work with people. You know Ariel is going to get the scoop. He gets it every time. So if you're banking on this big, cool promo reveal on the 199 PPV for the Lesnar fight, why not get in touch and tell him that? Offer him an exclusive interview or something if he holds off on posting his article or whatever until after the official reveal. Isn't that how it works with pretty much every other form of entertainment/sports journalism? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gears of the Beast Posted June 7, 2016 Share Posted June 7, 2016 I don't even see the need for that in this case, nothing is ever official until the UFC announces it on their platform and they can do that any way they want. The promo was fucking awesome, I read the story that Lesnar was close to a deal but it still surprised me and I think most people just because it was really well made. And moreover no-one is watching for the possibility of surprise announcements and nobody is not watching because they know about unannounced fights, it doesn't hurt the UFC at all. Seriously, this promo is 10/10. Even if you knew the announcement was coming that night, which most didn't, it would still get anyone hyped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Walker Texas Ranger Posted June 7, 2016 Share Posted June 7, 2016 Lesnar's sheer athleticism compensated for many flaws, but I think his biggest was that he didn't react well to getting punched in the face. Maybe if he'd been training his whole life, he would have been unstoppable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castel Posted June 7, 2016 Share Posted June 7, 2016 22 hours ago, KiDisaster said: Cruz vs Faber was painful to watch honestly. He lost in the first round and spent the next four kinda running away. I assume the only thing he cared about at that point was not getting finished. I felt bad for him, also I'd been rooting for him 'cause underdogs. Cruz just outclassed him every step of the way. I thought he lost in the second really. As Joe sad, that was where it was clear that there are consequences. He almost got finished by a guy he's been mocking for years for not being able to finish people. That would be kinda embarrassing. He was on survival mode afterwards. The exact same thing happened with Aldo, though there at least he had the excuse of having no mobility cause his legs were hamburger 8 hours ago, Gears of the Beast said: Yeah I think this was always going to happen. I don't think they care about fan backlash, it was even worse when Stitch was randomly fired. They care about their perception and this was just making them look terrible which culminated in Ariel's speech on the MMA Hour. Plus I don't even think they thought about it at all. From what Ariel said it sounds like Lorenzo just flipped his shit, none of it makes sense especially banning their photographer and camera guy when Marc Raimondi was still there covering the fights for MMAFighting, like they forgot about him or something. I don't think it was just the fans, it was mainstream sports news and even some non-sports sections jumping on this, right after what was an amazing card. The UFC has a weird tint of the despotic around them. And not even smart shitty behavior, just seemingly unthinking fuckery you expect from a third world dictator. It's highly predictable. Like, they've been doing a lot of this shit behind the scenes. Arguably, their biggest mistake is canning Ariel on the night of the fight. Why would you do that? Is the petty satisfaction of denying him the chance to see the main event worth the headlines that will naturally follow? You can't wait a week? Quote What's surprising to me is that they're still trying to push this bullshit about Ariel having sketchy journalism practices, I thought they would apologise and rescind all of that criticism because it's such obvious nonsense. Why would they? On r/mma at least, it's convinced some people. And, as I said, fans are spending time arguing about the merits of that position and not arguing what sketchy practices Esther Lin had. So, to some degree, it worked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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