Bugjuice Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 So do you think they're going to put us out of our misery or drag it out a bit longer? I know everyone is expecting R+L=JS but what else do think is going to happen at The Tower of Joy? I suspect that Lyanna's "bed of blood" is going to be something totally unexpected like murder or suicide rather than childbirth. Also, I think Benjen Stark's decision to join the Night's Watch had something to do with Robert's Rebellion and what happened at The Tower Of Joy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
house of husky Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 I have always thought the R+L=JS , is actually not the big twist that GRRM hints at. I think he could be Roberts son, and Lyanna may tell Eddard this on her death bed. then JS..will be king of the world...north and south...deal done PS ) Benjen still has a part to play at some point , and it may be in one of Brans visions that this will come to light. or during a big fight with the white walkers..John will turn and clash swords with zombie Benjen. ok now you can tell me Nuts and have all that wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magog Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 No sense for him to be another one of Robert's bastards. The whole idea behind R+L=J is that Rhaegar married her secretly and that they were madly in love. Jon is thus a legal Targ with the strongest claim to the iron throne. That is what makes sense so far. We still have Howland Reed to tell everyone, and we still have Bran for us to see it as it happened. ToJ is about a childbirth, for sure. I don't know for Bejen, all is possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Snow Bengal Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 Doesn't Benjen say to Jon that they would talk about his mother when he returned from ranging? So he obviously knows something. Actually just re-watched it and he just says "we'll speak when i return". So can't really read too much into that i suppose *sigh* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoonWoman Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 1 hour ago, Magog said: No sense for him to be another one of Robert's bastards. The whole idea behind R+L=J is that Rhaegar married her secretly and that they were madly in love. Jon is thus a legal Targ with the strongest claim to the iron throne. That is what makes sense so far. We still have Howland Reed to tell everyone, and we still have Bran for us to see it as it happened. ToJ is about a childbirth, for sure. I don't know for Bejen, all is possible. I believe R+L+J but have a very hard time with the idea they were in love. There is no love in GoT. Martin does not seem the least bit interested in romance as a narrative function....I guess unless its totally tragic, which I suppose this is. The show may be written differently. Though. And its going to be definitely dragged out a bit longer. They will probably get to it soon, since we need to start focusing on the end game, but at best end of this season? I totally believe Benjen is coming back - his name has been invoked steadily in the show since he went missing so he has some role to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magog Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 1 hour ago, MoonWoman said: I believe R+L+J but have a very hard time with the idea they were in love. There is no love in GoT. Martin does not seem the least bit interested in romance as a narrative function....I guess unless its totally tragic, which I suppose this is. The show may be written differently. Though. And its going to be definitely dragged out a bit longer. They will probably get to it soon, since we need to start focusing on the end game, but at best end of this season? I totally believe Benjen is coming back - his name has been invoked steadily in the show since he went missing so he has some role to play. You are right about Martin's perception of love and its role in the Game, I actually agree. But there are clues that they could have been in love. What else was she doing alone (with escort of few knights) so far from WF? Show is differen, though. In the books Jaimie starts to see that Cercei's love is not what he wants it to be, but in the show he does not, as Cersei still seems to love him in the show. Love is different in the show. About Bejnjen: I would really like him to be back in some epic way. He will bring knowldge about the WW, at least, I believe. If he comes back alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Deleted] Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 Pretty sure they aren't going to reveal this until the very last episode of this season, probably titled "A Song Of Ice And Fire". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricardoromell Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 5 hours ago, Magog said: No sense for him to be another one of Robert's bastards. The whole idea behind R+L=J is that Rhaegar married her secretly and that they were madly in love. Jon is thus a legal Targ with the strongest claim to the iron throne. That is what makes sense so far. We still have Howland Reed to tell everyone, and we still have Bran for us to see it as it happened. ToJ is about a childbirth, for sure. I don't know for Bejen, all is possible. How does Jon snow have a stronger claim than Danerys (assuming R+L=J). Jon was Rhaegars bastard, Danerys is Rhaegars sister and she has a greater claim considering Rhaegars legit children are dead. That is how the monarchy works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgeIAF Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 6 hours ago, house of husky said: I have always thought the R+L=JS , is actually not the big twist that GRRM hints at. I think he could be Roberts son, and Lyanna may tell Eddard this on her death bed. then JS..will be king of the world...north and south...deal done PS ) Benjen still has a part to play at some point , and it may be in one of Brans visions that this will come to light. or during a big fight with the white walkers..John will turn and clash swords with zombie Benjen. ok now you can tell me Nuts and have all that wrong Then why Ned will have kept that a secret from Robert ? It makes no sense whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magog Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 Just now, ricardoromell said: How does Jon snow have a stronger claim than Danerys (assuming R+L=J). Jon was Rhaegars bastard, Danerys is Rhaegars sister and she has a greater claim considering Rhaegars legit children are dead. That is how the monarchy works. Rhaegar married Lyana. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgeIAF Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 1 minute ago, Magog said: Rhaegar married Lyana. There is no proof left of that. Someone's words are not proof. Hopefully we will not see a DOD 2.0. or a Blackfyre Rebellion with Jon playing the Blackfyre part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magog Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 Oh, but there will be proof. In Lyana's tomb in the crypts. With Howland Reed. We'll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgeIAF Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 3 minutes ago, Magog said: Oh, but there will be proof. In Lyana's tomb in the crypts. With Howland Reed. We'll see. I fail to see what proof would be lying there in Lyanna's tomb to prove that she married Rhaegar ? I can't find any. Even if Rhaegar's harp is there, it will not prove they were married, just that he loved her. Maybe a wedding ring with a dragon engraved in it ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magog Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 Some sort of document can, with his signature and stamp. A writing of his. A testament. He knew he could die at trident, so he could have made one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgeIAF Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 2 minutes ago, Magog said: Some sort of document can, with his signature and stamp. A writing of his. A testament. He knew he could die at trident, so he could have made one. Maybe, it could be. And left it with Lyanna in the TOJ, so Ned knew about that too, maybe that was the promise he broke ? Maybe he was supposed to tell Jon that he is not a bastard and instead he's a heir to the Iron Throne ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dames do Moan Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 I always thought that in the tomb would be a certain shield with a Weirwood tree w/ a laughing face and Ned found at the TOJ with Lyanna. Obviously not proof of a marriage but it'd be cool and help to Rhaegar to Lyanna and give us the answer to TKotLT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Masha Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 16 hours ago, Bugjuice said: So do you think they're going to put us out of our misery or drag it out a bit longer? I know everyone is expecting R+L=JS but what else do think is going to happen at The Tower of Joy? I suspect that Lyanna's "bed of blood" is going to be something totally unexpected like murder or suicide rather than childbirth. Also, I think Benjen Stark's decision to join the Night's Watch had something to do with Robert's Rebellion and what happened at The Tower Of Joy. They will drag it out till at least ep 6-7 before final reveal. My opinion that they would follow classic R+L=JS theory with no unexpected things, other than final Kingsguard - Hightower? - jumping out of shadows as Ned climbs up/down the tower Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yesiam8833 Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 It's always the oldest and any children before the next younger brother or sister. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yesiam8833 Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 55 minutes ago, ricardoromell said: How does Jon snow have a stronger claim than Danerys (assuming R+L=J). Jon was Rhaegars bastard, Danerys is Rhaegars sister and she has a greater claim considering Rhaegars legit children are dead. That is how the monarchy works. It's always the oldest and any children before the next younger brother or sister. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrypticWeirwood Posted May 21, 2016 Share Posted May 21, 2016 4 hours ago, yesiam8833 said: It's always the oldest and any children before the next younger brother or sister. The Targaryens do not allow for queens regnant, although they will allow the crown to pass through the female line to a male heir if needed. However, Dany cannot bear a live child, so she's a dead end. That makes Jon the only viable heir here, be he bastard or true born. Which is pretty funny, that the most viable heir is a dead man walking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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