How Much Did GRRM tell D&D?

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18 hours ago, Ser Biscuit said:

Theon is the heir of a King, stripped of his inheritance as boy because of war and placed in a foreign land. Over time he forgets his homeland and what it means to be Ironborn, and tries to regain it only to fall worse than ever, this time being stripped of his very name by the torture and imprisonment of Ramsey. Through the suffering of Jeyne, a lowborn who herself is in the midst of an identity crisis, Theon discovers what was lost within him and remembers his name, saving himself through saving her. But now that he has reclaimed his name he must return home to take what was stripped of him and reclaim his father's throne.

Sansa is the prized highborn daughter of a famous lord, a beauty for all ages and the epitome of a lady. What she felt would be a life of chivalry and romance turned into the opposite when her father was killed before her eyes and she was taken captive by a jealous evil Queen. Surviving her imprisonment by her courtesy and charm, she escapes and forced into hiding; being trained in the arts of guile, manipulation, seduction by the very man who secretly had her father killed and wishes to have her for himself. To take down her father's killer she must grow from apprentice to master, becoming the ultimate player of "the game".

Thematically these characters have nothing in common. It's oil and water. But only the likes of Dumb and Dumber would mix oil and water together and try to make a salad with it. They don't care about themes since as they put it, "themes are for eight grade book reports." However if those themes had rape, dick jokes, and murder in it I bet they would be all over those.

GRRM's type of characterization and themes are too complicated for them. It requires thoughtful planning, establishes character boundaries, and maintains each character's integrity throughout the progression of the story. It doesn't have the theme, characterization, and plot of a Cinemax softcore movie, which is more up D&D's speed.

Perfectly said.

4 hours ago, Channel4s-JonSnow said:

wow. Yes because he was forced into it. This false picture of Theons redemption is pretty weak. 

Its more about Theon rediscovering himself through his empathy for Jeyne than it is the number of Ramsay sidekicks he managed to throw over a balcony to save her.