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Okay, so the Freys are a bunch of cowards and inbred idiots. We've always known that. 

But why oh why would their men go to war wearing silly leather caps and rags? It makes sense when they're inside their castle, but out in the field? The Tully could have sullied out of the castle and massacred the Freys in 20 seconds from the look of it.

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22 hours ago, SerMixalot said:

For as important as the interaction was on camera, she could easily have been with a male prostitute.  But that would have eliminated a scene of a girl kissing another girl's breasts.

I wish the showrunners were aware of this thing called the internet where porn is prevalent and they don't need to make such changes.

HBO Marketing; Have we got the addicted to girl on girl internet porn demographic watching GoT?  Check!

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23 hours ago, Arya Gendry said:

Summary:

The Hound is alive, chillin with Meribald/Elder Brother and a gaggle of followers. He is strong. Exposition about how he was found near death, but saved.

Margery is super devout. The High Sparrow wants her to convert the QoT. Marge says sure, and tells Olenna to leave town. Septa Unella is watching their convo, but Marge slips granny a sketch of a rose. SHOCK. Margery is a big fat faker.

The wildlings don't want to fight with Jon, but Wun Wun says "SNOW," so it's on. They've got his back.

Cersei visits the QoT. Olenna tells her that every problem in KL is entirely Cersei's fault, because she's an idiot. Carol agrees, but says that they need to stick together to beat the holy birds. QoT ain't having it, and points out that ABSOLUTELY EVERYONE IN THE WORLD hates her guts.

Jamie and Bronn lead the host to Riverrun. The Freys threaten to hang Edmure. Blackfish is like, whatevs. Jamie goes to talk to him, the conversation is very much like the book, ending in Jamie's humiliation.

Jon, Sansa, and Davos meet with Lady Lyanna of Mormont. She's 10 years old, but still a better leader and bigger badass than Carol will ever be. After stringing the trio along for a while, she promises her support for the battle...along with all of her men...all 62 of them.

Then they go to the Glovers looking for support. Lord Glover is like...no. I will not fight with wildlings. Sansa tries to bully him and fails miserably.

The Ironborn are somewhere that looks like Volantis, so OK. Theon is sad and Yara is now a lesbian. She wants to go get Daenarys. So, Theon + Yara = Victarion.

Davos points out that they might be screwed. Sansa sends a raven to...Littlefinger? We don't know.

Meribald/EB holds an Outlaws Anonymous meeting while the Hound watches. Three bad men ride up and act vaguely threatening. One is wearing a yellow cloak. Are they the BWB? They leave.

Arya drops a load of silver to buy a cabin on a boat to Westeros. While staring longingly at the Titan's ass, an old lady that everyone knows is the Waif walks up to her and stabs her in the gut three times. She drops into the river, climbs out, and wanders around looking scared. 

The Hound chops wood like the strong man that he is. He walks back to camp to find everyone slaughtered and Meribald/EB hanged. He looks very, very mad and picks up an ax.

And..........that's a wrap. Episode was 45-46 minutes long.

 

 

Theon + Yara = Victarion...

Theyarion? :laugh:

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2 hours ago, Leto Atreides said:

Okay, so the Freys are a bunch of cowards and inbred idiots. We've always known that. 

But why oh why would their men go to war wearing silly leather caps and rags? It makes sense when they're inside their castle, but out in the field? The Tully could have sullied out of the castle and massacred the Freys in 20 seconds from the look of it.

Every house has their own uniform. It's quite ridiculous the repetition of outfits in this show. The QoT has the same clothes of the first scene she appeared in season 3 (?).

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3 hours ago, No One of Importance said:

Did Lyanna Mormont call Sansa "Lady Sandra"? (about the 27:00 mark)

Oh God, she actually did. You can hear it quite clearly. I can't even ... 

The depressing thing about this thread is that it makes you realise that the episodes are even worse than you thought at first. I mean, I didn't mind most of the episode too much when watching it, I raised the occasional eyebrow, but didn't hate anything as much as all the shit in previous episodes. But reading this thread and looking back - it was the same pisspoor storytelling we've had for two seasons now ...

Oh, by the way: I've never been a huge Stannis fan in the book, but I totally see his worth now. He had some of the only good scenes in S5 and is one of the things I really miss.

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God, where do I even start... With the worst I guess.

What they've done to Theon's plot is despicable to me. I have a loved one with PTSD, and the way Yara's "tough love" was framed... It's just a new fucking low. It has nothing to do with Iron Born culture. The whole fucking point of every IB POV is to show how the way they do things actually is super fucking damaging. To show that attitude actually "working" is disgusting. The idea you can just "snap out" of trauma is disgusting. To tell someone with PTSD that they should kill themselves if they can't manage that... Fucked up.

This isn't even to mention how this scene destroyed Asha/Yara. Putting aside that this is presented as an adaptation and this is the polar opposite of Asha... Yara in the show isn't even consistent! I have no idea who she is. In this season she's gone from a snippet of her "pinecones" speech about the futility of the reaving way to..."we should be reavers!". Ugh, and the first lesbian representation on the show being the rape of a sex slave? Awful. And why? It feels like they want us to see her as "more of a man" than Theon in every way in that scene so she can tell him to "man up". And they cannot conceive of manhood outside of sexualizing women? So I guess they managed to make this feel just as male-gazey and hetero male sexuality-driven as the famous "play with her ass" scene? I don't even know. Whatever they're trying to do there, it's just fucking insulting.

Phew. Do I even have any salt left for the rest of the episode?

Yes. Quick rundown:

  • Sansa... Jesus. Let's just have her go back to being punished by the narrative and force her into a position where she has to depend on an abuser that sold her to her rapist. Cool. Great. I'm screaming.
  • All of our "broken men" (who have some of my favorite arcs in the books), Theon, Sandor, and Jamie, get fucked by this episode. Jamie in the Riverlands without his Kingsguard armor and pining for Cersei makes the whole thing pointless, I don't care how much book dialogue they threw at the wall. In the book he feels broken, likeshe's trying to rebuild himself. Here, he just threw on Lannister armor after being dismissed from the Kingsguard and is a-okay. And Sandor...they're really into pointless deaths/resurrections/near-deaths, aren't they? Why bother? I guess now he's..extra vengeful? What a waste.
  • Weird shit with Margaery and the HS about doing her duty "for her country" (can we get more anachronistic??) by continuing the abuse of her underage husband whether she likes it or not. I don't even know where this came from, and I really couldn't understand what they were trying to do here...? It confused me and weirded me out.
  • Poor Carol!
  • How is it that Arya got stabbidied that many times and Braavos is still a snooze-fest? Oh yeah, plot armor.

Ugh, and that's all just my word vomit off the top of my head. I'm sure it just gets worse the more you pick it apart...

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1 hour ago, lorienelf said:

 

What they've done to Theon's plot is despicable to me. I have a loved one with PTSD, and the way Yara's "tough love" was framed... It's just a new fucking low. It has nothing to do with Iron Born culture. The whole fucking point of every IB POV is to show how the way they do things actually is super fucking damaging. To show that attitude actually "working" is disgusting. The idea you can just "snap out" of trauma is disgusting. To tell someone with PTSD that they should kill themselves if they can't manage that... Fucked up.

This isn't even to mention how this scene destroyed Asha/Yara. Putting aside that this is presented as an adaptation and this is the polar opposite of Asha... Yara in the show isn't even consistent! I have no idea who she is. In this season she's gone from a snippet of her "pinecones" speech about the futility of the reaving way to..."we should be reavers!". Ugh, and the first lesbian representation on the show being the rape of a sex slave? Awful. And why? It feels like they want us to see her as "more of a man" than Theon in every way in that scene so she can tell him to "man up". And they cannot conceive of manhood outside of sexualizing women?

You know, if I had my willy chopped off (as Alfie Allen so eloquently put it in an interview) at such a young age, I would seriously contemplate suicide. On top of that, Theon also had to endure extensive physical and psychological torture. So killing himself is more than a viable option at this point for him I think. So I agree that she shouldn't tell him that. But we say that with our 21st century knowledge. The ironborn are far less nuanced about such things, and frankly, I'd be surprised if Yara tried any other way than this "tough love", because it probably is the only way she knows.

Far be it from me to defend the show, but I think you misunderstand the intent here. Sexuality, for most men, no matter his orientation, is an integral part of his identity. Really it is just an important aspect of any of our lives. What happened to Theon would be crushing for a normal man. But for Theon, it is especially damaging, because his relations with women was the only part of his life he had any control over. Women liked him in bed (or at least he deluded himself to believe they did), and he liked them too. That's what Ramsay took away from him, beyond his ability to even have sex. So being in a brothel, surrounded by half-naked women, would be really freaking uncomfortable for him. So I take no issue with that aspect of a scene. Because it actually has a point about Theon's character.

Now the rest is just the usual garbage. Yara's a lesbian all of a sudden and she and Theon are Victarion in disguise, but without all of the conext in the books, they don't really have any motivation to just go to Dany. I mean Euron is the one who's gonna have the thousand ships, remember? So I can't help but think that this is a futile endeavor on their part. But since they're the "good guys", I bet D&D are gonna find a convoluted way for it to work.

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15 hours ago, SerMixalot said:

Umm I had a thought, perhaps it is not Arya parkouring with the Waif but someone else and the only other person we know in Bravos is Jaquen H'gar.  So maybe Jaquen goes after the Waif?

For him to have her face, she would have to be dead........

 

Wouldn't it be a cool twist if Arya died, and Jaqen used her face to finish off her list for her?

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12 hours ago, protar said:

So random things that bothered me:

>While there's nothing wrong per say with the Septon's worldview - believing in a Higher Power but not knowing or indeed caring what it is - it makes no sense for him to become a Septon with those beliefs. Why not just be a generic preacher?

>Lyanna Stark was cool and sassy and all, but her anti-stark attitude made no sense. Nor did her being convinced by tales of White Walkers. The scene was also set up so obviously. Like she's rude and bossy for the whole scene, but the moment Davos speaks up she's suddenly polite and let's him speak. 

>Yara being yet another example of the show's poor lgb representation. Bullies her heavily abused brother, sleeps with sex slaves. Generally crass and unpleasant.

>Arya is apparently tougher than Hotah. And also stupid enough to let a random old lady approach her.

>The brotherhood now randomly being evil.

>The Freys don't spot an entire army. Even they can't be that incompetent. 

>The Hound is apparently still hateful and filled with vengeance.

>We're seven episodes in and still spinning wheels! I feel like we should be 4 episodes in, not 7!

I respectfully argue that young Lady Mormont didn't have an anti-Stark attitude, but rather questioned whether she should consider the two that were facing her as Starks.

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2 hours ago, lorienelf said:

God, where do I even start... With the worst I guess.

What they've done to Theon's plot is despicable to me. I have a loved one with PTSD, and the way Yara's "tough love" was framed... It's just a new fucking low. It has nothing to do with Iron Born culture. The whole fucking point of every IB POV is to show how the way they do things actually is super fucking damaging. To show that attitude actually "working" is disgusting. The idea you can just "snap out" of trauma is disgusting. To tell someone with PTSD that they should kill themselves if they can't manage that... Fucked up.

This isn't even to mention how this scene destroyed Asha/Yara. Putting aside that this is presented as an adaptation and this is the polar opposite of Asha... Yara in the show isn't even consistent! I have no idea who she is. In this season she's gone from a snippet of her "pinecones" speech about the futility of the reaving way to..."we should be reavers!". Ugh, and the first lesbian representation on the show being the rape of a sex slave? Awful. And why? It feels like they want us to see her as "more of a man" than Theon in every way in that scene so she can tell him to "man up". And they cannot conceive of manhood outside of sexualizing women? So I guess they managed to make this feel just as male-gazey and hetero male sexuality-driven as the famous "play with her ass" scene? I don't even know. Whatever they're trying to do there, it's just fucking insulting.

Phew. Do I even have any salt left for the rest of the episode?

Yes. Quick rundown:

  • Sansa... Jesus. Let's just have her go back to being punished by the narrative and force her into a position where she has to depend on an abuser that sold her to her rapist. Cool. Great. I'm screaming.
  • All of our "broken men" (who have some of my favorite arcs in the books), Theon, Sandor, and Jamie, get fucked by this episode. Jamie in the Riverlands without his Kingsguard armor and pining for Cersei makes the whole thing pointless, I don't care how much book dialogue they threw at the wall. In the book he feels broken, likeshe's trying to rebuild himself. Here, he just threw on Lannister armor after being dismissed from the Kingsguard and is a-okay. And Sandor...they're really into pointless deaths/resurrections/near-deaths, aren't they? Why bother? I guess now he's..extra vengeful? What a waste.
  • Weird shit with Margaery and the HS about doing her duty "for her country" (can we get more anachronistic??) by continuing the abuse of her underage husband whether she likes it or not. I don't even know where this came from, and I really couldn't understand what they were trying to do here...? It confused me and weirded me out.
  • Poor Carol!
  • How is it that Arya got stabbidied that many times and Braavos is still a snooze-fest? Oh yeah, plot armor.

Ugh, and that's all just my word vomit off the top of my head. I'm sure it just gets worse the more you pick it apart...

I see that you have 2 posts,  I wonder if your other one could be as excellent as this one! :cheers:

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On 6 June 2016 at 1:06 PM, SerMixalot said:

For as important as the interaction was on camera, she could easily have been with a male prostitute.  But that would have eliminated a scene of a girl kissing another girl's breasts.

I wish the showrunners were aware of this thing called the internet where porn is prevalent and they don't need to make such changes.

Oh, they're aware of it, most of the female extras that the D$D hire actually work in the industry, it's a dudebros dream fantasy job!

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1 minute ago, Neds Secret said:

Oh, they're aware of it, most of the female extras that the D$D hire actually work in the industry, it's a dudebros dream fantasy job!

Not just the extras. I mean we had Sibel Kekilli as Shae, remember (although at the time she was already a legit actor) ? And there is nothing wrong with that, I actually even liked her performance, because it was clear from the get go that TV Shae's nothing like book Shae, so it didn't bother me that much, unlike Larry, who is sometimes Jaime, but mostly just an inconsistent idiot. And also, she had like, one topless scene? So they didn't really exploit nudity with her (unlike Ros, who despite not being a former adult actress, was like always naked). Now, I'm not saying that TV Shae was a particularly cleverly written character, but for the most part I didn't have a problem with her per se, only the way they handled her relationship with St. Tyrion in the end.

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1 hour ago, Illiterati said:

I respectfully argue that young Lady Mormont didn't have an anti-Stark attitude, but rather questioned whether she should consider the two that were facing her as Starks.

 

You mean Lady Bolton and the sad-sack deserter from the Night's Watch?  Not much Starkness there.

Sansa's having married Ramsay Bolton really cuts into her Stark credibility; especially since she had a choice.  It was poor plotting all around; I can't see book-Sansa going anywhere near any of the Boltons, and bookFinger wouldn't be that dumb as to throw his prized pawn to them.

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