Knight of the Hungry Cow Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 I can't really see what Oberyn's plan would've been had he lived at the end of the duel. Other components of Elia's murder still lived. Was he going to continue being in King's Landing to try to kill them too? Or did he actually plan on dying to trigger a casus belli for Dorne to attack the Lannisters? What do you think his plan was? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Leftwich Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 Oberyn's personality/character is not one that would die on purpose. He took an opportunity to kill Gregor and have no 'legal' repercussions. Had he won, (he was never going to because that was how the story needed to go) he would have stayed on in KL and been an agitator to Tywin, etc and continued to work towards his revenge for Elia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Estermont Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 I think he wanted to eventually take revenge against all responsible fo his sister's and her childen's death , i doubt he would have been successful though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ McLannister Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 Yeah, Gregor was just step 1. The theories about him poisoning Tywin suggests he may have been working on step 2 at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Yozza Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 Don't think he was planning on dying. Kinda defeats the point of trying to get revenge through a trial by combat, since only one person can survive. But I do think that he hoped that if he did die then Dorne would rise up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nikstar3 Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 There's some versions of the Dornish master plan theory that suggest he might have died on purpose. I personally believe that there's some form of Dornish plan including the Brave Companions etc. However Oberyn dying on purpose seems way too far-fetched to me. Had he lived (as someone already pointed out, he needed to die because plot, but still), he'd have kept working on his revenge. Oh, and by the way, I DO believe that he did indeed poison Tywin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viserys' alarm clock Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 IIRC he was trying to get Gregor to publicly point to Tywin as giving the order, legitimising future steps against him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hodorisfaclessman Posted June 11, 2016 Share Posted June 11, 2016 On 10/06/2016 at 9:00 PM, CJ McLannister said: Yeah, Gregor was just step 1. The theories about him poisoning Tywin suggests he may have been working on step 2 at the same time. Disagree ...sorta I feel u have the steps backwards ..think about it for a moment Theres 0 way he could have known tyrion would end up as he did so why go to the wedding? The obvious awnser is to posion tywin, as the man with the most well known motive and reputation for posion hed have been accused As the guilt cant be clearly proven he has the right to trial by combat in which case he gets ser gregor , kills him and walks away scott free pissing if the remaining lannisters who decide to retaliate into the waiting dornish forces.....a brutal slaughter later in the boneway and dornes royals have their vengance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euron's Mom Posted June 11, 2016 Share Posted June 11, 2016 22 hours ago, Viserys' alarm clock said: IIRC he was trying to get Gregor to publicly point to Tywin as giving the order, legitimising future steps against him. This exactly. This is why he died: rather than just finishing off the Mountain when he was down, Prince Oberyn kept trying to get him to not just admit guilt, but also admit that he did it under Tywin's orders. Had he succeeded, it would have been the end of the Lannisters. I would not believe for a second that Oberyn had any intention to die. His mistake was he was trying to get too much in one shot and overreached. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreem24 Posted June 11, 2016 Share Posted June 11, 2016 No way he poisons Tywin and walks alive from that city,no matter trial or not he will be killed maybe even poisoned himself shortly after or just cut down... In fact i'm surprised the Yronwoods didn't kill him or their ward with a a sickness to the bowels.... Anyway no i don't think he planned for it no one ever does one moment you are here the next you are not. The guy is just overhyped and impulsive as one can be.. He overreached himself and paid the iron price... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elisabetta Duò Posted June 11, 2016 Share Posted June 11, 2016 On 10 giugno 2016 at 9:54 PM, Ser Leftwich said: Oberyn's personality/character is not one that would die on purpose. He took an opportunity to kill Gregor and have no 'legal' repercussions. Had he won, (he was never going to because that was how the story needed to go) he would have stayed on in KL and been an agitator to Tywin, etc and continued to work towards his revenge for Elia. Agreed. There is literally nothing suggesting he wanted to die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boarsbane Posted June 11, 2016 Share Posted June 11, 2016 1 hour ago, Euron's Mom said: This exactly. This is why he died: rather than just finishing off the Mountain when he was down, Prince Oberyn kept trying to get him to not just admit guilt, but also admit that he did it under Tywin's orders. Had he succeeded, it would have been the end of the Lannisters. I would not believe for a second that Oberyn had any intention to die. His mistake was he was trying to get too much in one shot and overreached. Why would it be the end for the Lannisters? There is no one around to punish Tywin for ordering Elia raped and killed even if he did. People may put off by it but no one will do anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trigger Warning Posted June 11, 2016 Share Posted June 11, 2016 Relying on an impaled man to kill you whilst you hold a sword over his head is not a very smart way to purposefully get killed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MostlyMoody Posted June 11, 2016 Share Posted June 11, 2016 No, his arrogance got him killed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euron's Mom Posted June 11, 2016 Share Posted June 11, 2016 1 hour ago, Boarsbane said: Why would it be the end for the Lannisters? There is no one around to punish Tywin for ordering Elia raped and killed even if he did. People may put off by it but no one will do anything. Well not the immediate end of course, but it would be damning to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedShirt47 Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 On 10/06/2016 at 9:00 PM, CJ McLannister said: Yeah, Gregor was just step 1. The theories about him poisoning Tywin suggests he may have been working on step 2 at the same time. I subscribe to that theory. Oberyn was fully prepared for his duel with The Mountain. I think he was going to be put of trial for the murder of Tywin and thus get to fight The Mountain then. But as the opportunity arose early he took it. He knew Tywin would die anyhow.but by then he would be back in Dorne (assuming he beat the Mountain in Tyrion's trial). Had Tyrion's trial not happened then he would have stook around until Tywin died and had his trial by combat then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rise Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 I have always been thinking that he poisoned Gregor to make sure he dies, if he loses the match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ McLannister Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 18 minutes ago, Rise said: I have always been thinking that he poisoned Gregor to make sure he dies, if he loses the match. I think that's definitely accurate. As long as he caused a flesh wound, the poison would finish him off (the Laertes method). But I see that as hedging his bets, more than a planned loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rise Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 Quote 30 minutes ago, CJ McLannister said: I think that's definitely accurate. As long as he caused a flesh wound, the poison would finish him off (the Laertes method). But I see that as hedging his bets, more than a planned loss. I do believe he didn't plan on dying, he was only being cautious, in case he loses. If Gregor confessed his crimes he would given relatively fast death, if he loses, Then Gregor gets very slow and agonizing death. Like did hapen. Sorry about writing errors, it have been years for my previous english writing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Vance II Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 1 hour ago, Rise said: I have always been thinking that he poisoned Gregor to make sure he dies, if he loses the match. He didn't plan on dying, but knew he probably would. I don't think he expected to do nearly as well as he did (until the end, of course). I don't think he thought too far ahead entering the fight, to him this was the golden opportunity to get some revenge he'd lived for for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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