Moiraine Sedai Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 8 minutes ago, Coolbeard the Exile said: I think she is jons twin. How did you arrive at this idea? She has family among the wildlings. I can get on the Mance-Lyanna made Jon wagon but this twin is new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon's Queen Consort Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 3 minutes ago, Moiraine Sedai said: How did you arrive at this idea? There is a vid about this on yt. I will not call it a theory tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coolbeard the Exile Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 19 minutes ago, Moiraine Sedai said: How did you arrive at this idea? She has family among the wildlings. I can get on the Mance-Lyanna made Jon wagon but this twin is new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coolbeard the Exile Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 16 minutes ago, The Doctor's Consort said: There is a vid about this on yt. I will not call it a theory tho. Why won't you call it a theory? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon's Queen Consort Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 1 hour ago, Coolbeard the Exile said: Why won't you call it a theory? Mainly because it doesn't have text proofs and doesn't make sense since it isn't logical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coolbeard the Exile Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 1 hour ago, The Doctor's Consort said: Mainly because it doesn't have text proofs and doesn't make sense since it isn't logical. It has evidence buit as with many theories they arent a red line straight from clue to soloution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damon_Tor Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 On 6/20/2016 at 10:56 AM, Hammer of the Gods said: I have read many threads regarding the importance of Val in the story. People think she is some sort of priestess or is possibly a future lover of a resurrected Jon. On all these threads however many people commented that the fact that Val is not in the show means she has no important role to play. These threads are somewhat outdated now as the most recent ones came before season 5 before. Now that season 6 is almost over and its become clear how many major characters and plots are getting cut (JonCon, Young Griff, Arianne, Victarion, quentyn, Lady Stoneheart, good dornish plot, real bloodraven) has anyone changed their minds. I know we really haven't seen a lot of her and grrm hasn't given her any depth or backstory yet, but I really love Val and I would love for her and Jon hook up. All these characters are so depressed. It would cool to see two awesome people get together and find some happiness together. I would like to see more conversation between them before they start of course. I know they do a bit a flirting but I feel like they still don't really know each other well enough for their relationship to be believable. I generally assume she only exists to allow for Gilly's baby swap story, which I believe is extremely important. She doesn't seem to have any other role to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damon_Tor Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 3 hours ago, Coolbeard the Exile said: Why won't you call it a theory? A hypothesis which has been tested, and after sufficient academic rigor, is called a theory. The line is blurry, but it does require research, testing, and consensus. It is a hypothesis, not a theory, until that point. "Theories" are probably what you think of as "fact". Gravity is a theory, for example, because its been well tested and there isn't much academic dissent over how it works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fattest Leech Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 1 minute ago, Damon_Tor said: A hypothesis which has been tested, and after sufficient academic rigor, is called a theory. The line is blurry, but it does require research, testing, and consensus. It is a hypothesis, not a theory, until that point. "Theories" are probably what you think of as "fact". Gravity is a theory, for example, because its been well tested and there isn't much academic dissent over how it works. Is this based on that Order of the Greenhands video? If so, I did watch that video and I can say that they got some basic text wrong. I can't say that their particular theory is accurately portrayed as being plausible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coolbeard the Exile Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 3 minutes ago, Damon_Tor said: A hypothesis which has been tested, and after sufficient academic rigor, is called a theory. The line is blurry, but it does require research, testing, and consensus. It is a hypothesis, not a theory, until that point. "Theories" are probably what you think of as "fact". Gravity is a theory, for example, because its been well tested and there isn't much academic dissent over how it works. Who cares about definition of theory everyone knows what people mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coolbeard the Exile Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 2 minutes ago, The Fattest Leech said: Is this based on that Order of the Greenhands video? If so, I did watch that video and I can say that they got some basic text wrong. I can't say that their particular theory is accurately portrayed as being plausible. Please show what they got wrong and why is it innacurate and inplausible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damon_Tor Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 Just now, The Fattest Leech said: Is this based on that Order of the Greenhands video? If so, I did watch that video and I can say that they got some basic text wrong. I can't say that their particular theory is accurately portrayed as being plausible. I didn't watch it. It's simply a pet peeve of mine people calling a random idea they have a "theory" without knowing the meaning of the word. The proper word is "hypothesis". Whether the video has a valid point or not is immaterial. Almost no speculation about the books can be considered a theory because none of it is falsifiable. You can have a hypothesis that is very well supported by data and a hypothesis that is wild speculation, but they don't become theories without testing and academic consensus. And to be clear, even things widely believed and largely uncontroversial like R+L=J still do not qualify as theories because testing isn't possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fattest Leech Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 8 minutes ago, Coolbeard the Exile said: Please show what they got wrong and why is it innacurate and inplausible? I'm on my phone at work at the moment so I can't quote fully, but I talked about this with someone else in a thread a few days ago in the reread section. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coolbeard the Exile Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 5 minutes ago, Damon_Tor said: I didn't watch it. It's simply a pet peeve of mine people calling a random idea they have a "theory" without knowing the meaning of the word. The proper word is "hypothesis". Whether the video has a valid point or not is immaterial. Almost no speculation about the books can be considered a theory because none of it is falsifiable. You can have a hypothesis that is very well supported by data and a hypothesis that is wild speculation, but they don't become theories without testing and academic consensus. And to be clear, even things widely believed and largely uncontroversial like R+L=J still do not qualify as theories because testing isn't possible. Word knight grammar nazi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damon_Tor Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 14 hours ago, Coolbeard the Exile said: Who cares about definition of theory everyone knows what people mean. Words matter. That word matters more than most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restless Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 GRRM is "gardener" IMo he dropped Val positioning her for possible romance or development. But later it did not work in his mind that way. Perhaps a heroic death when Wall falls down and one more " you know nothing" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon's Queen Consort Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 18 hours ago, Coolbeard the Exile said: It has evidence buit as with many theories they arent a red line straight from clue to soloution. Not it hasn't. It has absolutely nothing more than wishful thinking. It's a fan fiction based on nothing and most importantly it doesn’t make sense. 17 hours ago, Coolbeard the Exile said: Word knight grammar nazi It's a book series, words matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coolbeard the Exile Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 4 hours ago, Damon_Tor said: Words matter. That word matters more than most. No purpose in being a word knight when everyone knows exactly what it means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon's Queen Consort Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 8 minutes ago, Coolbeard the Exile said: No purpose in being a word knight when everyone knows exactly what it means. Well obviously not everyone knows what theory is and what it means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coolbeard the Exile Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 43 minutes ago, The Doctor's Consort said: Not it hasn't. It has absolutely nothing more than wishful thinking. It's a fan fiction based on nothing and most importantly it doesn’t make sense. It's a book series, words matter. Then you havent watched the video. It is not necessary and serves no purpose to point out that "excuse me mr, it is not a "theory" it is a "hypothesis" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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