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Just now, Lord Varys said:

No, that one is going to happen in the books, too. Euron is not going to get Dany. If he would George would have sent him to Slaver's Bay, not Victarion, and Dany would have there when he arrived, not gone. But he didn't.

Euron needs a replacement for Dany in both books and show, and Cersei is the obvious choice. Even more so in the books than in the show because in the books she is now completely at Mace's mercy. She'll have to get out of the city as quickly as possible because she'll fear that Mace/Tyrion will kill her and Tommen, too, now that they've killed Kevan and Pycelle. She is not going to think that Varys did this to turn her and the Tyrells against each other.

Once she learns that Euron has crushed the Redwyne fleet and taken the Arbor she'll send him a raven and meet him there. And with Cersei's help and the gold and the men of the West they will be able to work real havoc in Westeros, eventually challenging both Aegon and Dany.

Really? I thought she might have enough of pirating sailors - since trusting Aurane Waters a litte too much....

 

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39 minutes ago, David Selig said:

Not just a girl, a 10 year old girl. The very idea that all those powerful lords would be influenced by a speech made by a 10 year old girl is preposterous.

You mean the one trick pony Lil Lady Lyanna?  Enough with the only king you recognize is the king of the north and his name is stark, get a new line little lady

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Just now, LulaMae Barnes said:

1. Cersei will grieve in about 7-10 episodes - just like Davos needed some time to confront Melisandre ;o)

2. Sansa & Jon.....urgh! The cousin thing is legal in my country as well (I think) - but it is still gross! And somewhat wrong.:ack:  Especially for Jon with Sansa (or Arya) as they grew up as siblings.:blushing:

Not grieving for your family members is the new rage! Ask Sandra Stark Lannister Bolton! And what is more cool than that? Killing them yourself!

Sorry, it's my guilty pleasure  :wub: 

 

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6 hours ago, Lyin' Ned said:

Well you know, that's what Hitchcock said about how shock is just blowing up a room out of a sudden while suspense is seeing the bomb under the table before it goes off. I personally prefer a suspenseful build-up over a shocking out-of-nowhere stabbity-stab, especially because we had way too much of the latter this season. 

But I agree that it took a bit too much time, even if I liked it and thought it was done pretty well. 

Yeah, I'm aware of that quote and Hitchcock is right, but they held on to the fuse way too long, to the point where they actually had to contrive some reason for the people to be stuck in the Sept when the jig was up.  There was no moment of suspense, the audience was shown exactly when the bomb would go off, and were shown the process step by second-wasting step.

 

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6 minutes ago, Jarl Halstein said:

I wonder this about all the kingdoms. But obviously, as soon as someone makes a dramatic decision or dramatic entrance as a new ruler, new men spring up from the ground ready to fill another army.

Respawn! :D

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3 minutes ago, SerMixalot said:

You mean the one trick pony Lil Lady Lyanna?  Enough with the only king you recognize is the king of the north and his name is stark, get a new line little lady

I actually liked that part. She is ten, but she is obviously very unusual for a ten-year-old, I can buy that. As long as there aren't many unusual ten-year-olds around. She does already sit in the ruling seat, with advisers, and this will make her grow up faster.

But above all I can buy it because the actress does such a great job, with a strong voice and steely eyes. She really is an unusual girl, that one.

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dafuq was that garbage. In a season where the writing never got better than sitcom level garbage like two broke girls this episode was beyond anything imaginable. I mean, it was basically porno script level writing.

 

Imma prob make a bunch of comments here today, but I will start with....soooooooo Sam takes heartsbane, the priceless ancestral VS sword of house tarly from his father, runs away in the night and makes this daring escape out of horn hill, through lands controlled by his father and into old town on a what? a fucking turnip cart?

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9 minutes ago, SerMixalot said:

You mean the one trick pony Lil Lady Lyanna?  Enough with the only king you recognize is the king of the north and his name is stark, get a new line little lady

There are no new lines. It is like when a band releases a best of album. The hound loves chicken. Lyanna only recognizes the king in the north. The Frey-Lannister alliance have their own words....they send their regards......over and over and over we see they trying to hit things that played well.

 

This was terrible. So terrible.

 

as a side note, apparently the great hall at winterfell can accommodate about 20 people comfortably.

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Shame Ramsay's 20 Good Men are probably dead, because Arya would have been an excellent addition. What she went through to kill Walder and his sons was incredible! She teleported from Braavos to The Twins, managed to kill Walder's sons and turn them into mincemeat without anyone noticing, managed to bake a nice Frey Pie (fuck context, right?) with her baking skills she learned from Lady Crane, then somehow managed to be alone with Walder Frey to give him his pie. Glad Stannis never had to go toe to toe with Arya, she would have served him some Shireen Pie with some Davos Seasoning.

My God, there's so much "nitpicking" I want to do, but I haven't got the time nor the energy. Last episode we saw the Boltons defeated, Ramsay killed and Stark Banners in Winterfell! This episode Cersei blew up all the characters in King's Landing, Tommen died, Jon Snow was crowned King in the North, Arya killed Walder Frey, and Daenerys set sail for Westeros! And I feel nothing.

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11 minutes ago, David Selig said:

Doesn't Jon know that Bran is alive on the show, BTW? Apparently stealing the throne from both his brother and his sister doesn't bother him at all. And shouldn't he tell Sansa that Bran is alive?

Seriously...this is just ridiculous at this point. Jon and Sansa both know Bran WAS alive. Presumably they both know he was north of the wall and with all the crap going on up there why would they ever even guess he could still be alive? It's not like Jon was campaigning for the "throne". No one stole anything from anyone.

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A couple of things nobody has mentioned yet that I've seen. Has it been established that Arya can change faces independently before? What is the point (other than to create empty suspense)? If you are going to triumphantly take off your disguise after killing everyone, you shouldn't need to introduce yourself.

Did Ned really ask for a Maester in the ToJ, or did I imagine it? What are the odds that there was one there who hadn't yet noticed that one of the three/four people also in the tower was a dying woman. He'd have been better off asking if someone had left a teleporter lying around.

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Just now, LulaMae Barnes said:

That "great hall" looked very different in season  1-2, didn't it? Somewhat bigger...

somewhat bigger? somewhat bigger! It held a royal feast of hundreds of people.

 

They had like 20 guys there and some of them had to stand.

 

But ya know, with all the glaring problems, that was the least of it.

 

BTW is Gregor now Rapeinstein? That is, is it implied that a zombie raped a septa and will continue to do so for a few months?

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9 minutes ago, YOVMO said:

There are no new lines. It is like when a band releases a best of album. The hound loves chicken. Lyanna only recognizes the king in the north. The Frey-Lannister alliance have their own words....they send their regards......over and over and over we see they trying to hit things that played well.

 

This was terrible. So terrible.

 

as a side note, apparently the great hall at winterfell can accommodate about 20 people comfortably.

I think that was the great breakfast nook.

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My complaint that I don't think anyone has mentioned for this episode is... the dragons. I feel it is part nitpick and part glaring plot hole. I can understand that writing a show is difficult. That squeezing so much story into 10 episodes per a season is difficult, but it's like they don't even have a vague plan of what to do the next season after they finish the last.

Last season we have Daenerys lock them up, cause they are hard to control and kill a child. Now? They are in control.. cause...? They are? I just feel like the whole part of locking them up never should have happened if we were never going to get a decent explanation as to why they are now tame. 

Also felt how Jon dealt with Sansa and Melisandre was dumb. Ok... burning a child is wrong, but she had her reasons and her reasons were for the greater good. Melisandre by accident did, cause the deaths of a child, Baratheons and a lot of people through a big mistake. She gets exiled. Sansa, caused the deaths of a lot of people, cause of pride and... distrust? She gets forgiven and nothing happens. 

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1 minute ago, The Lord of Cinder said:

My God, there's so much "nitpicking" I want to do, but I haven't got the time nor the energy. Last episode we saw the Boltons defeated, Ramsay killed and Stark Banners in Winterfell! This episode Cersei blew up all the characters in King's Landing, Tommen died, Jon Snow was crowned King in the North, Arya killed Walder Frey, and Daenerys set sail for Westeros! And I feel nothing.

...one just feels empty. I felt a bit sorry Tommen (but couldn't so much because he was a bratty teenager), and I was surprised they killed off Margaery Boleyn so soon. But other than that .....nothing.

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