Neds Secret Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 On 27 June 2016 at 3:22 PM, The Scabbard Of the Morning said: The whole KL plot this season was a completely pointless and went nowhere, they could have had Cersei blown it up in ep 2 and nothing would have been different. They made up sit through all the high sparrow lectures and Margaery machinations just to waste our time It was pathetic, all that bullshit the HS spoke, pointless, and how in seven hells did Cersei end up being crowned, she should have been lynched instead, and Daario going was to just get rid of the actor. However the bullshit with Sansa on the outside the episode, from what I'm hearing WTF.??? I got no sense of her being Jealous from the show, Jon offered her whatever and she seemed happy to be his offsider, but theD$ckheads have to make her jealous, the D$s are just wankers that do not like the Starks, just let them be happy to have some family and let them face all the other threats FFS, the D$s are just relentless with their torture and evidently they had worse planned for Septa Unella but had to film what we got because their initial plans were too extreme?? Mate, I didn't like Septa Unella but no way she deserved torture for being religious, Sheryl is still alive and she is probably happy Tommen is dead so she could get the power instead! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aryya Stark Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 2 minutes ago, SeanF said: Daenerys in the books certainly has a conscience. I expect to see her performing some pretty dark deeds to attain power, but she'll always agonise over them. And, I'm sure she'll agonise over some of the people she's allied to, and who serve her. Daenerys in the Show had a conscience, but I'm not at all sure if it still exists. But, in the Show, having a conscience is for wimps. Yes, this is what is bothering me. I hope she will turn down the Dornish alliance in the show to maintain some degree of her former self....but it probably won't happen because they need all the badass chicks to ally with each other to wow the audience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neds Secret Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 45 minutes ago, sweetsunray said: Regarding the handling of the wildfire and the CGI blast...It was pretty ridiculous. It's made clear in S2 how volatile and unstable the stuff is, how it keeps burning and is hot enough to melt someone in his boots. And you can't put it out either (otherwise the wildfire couldn't have been burning like it did in the bay, in water). The amount of wildfire stashed underneath the sept would pretty much have blasted away that whole hill, flung wildfire kms around in a city that's basically all wood. Half the city should be in ashes. And just a note on Dany basically farewelling show Daario forever, when your headed to a strange place to conquer a populace you've never met I would imagine you would want people that you know and trust around you more than ever. Show Daario was extremely loyal, competent and very street or world wise, leaving him was naive of Dany and basically Tyrion has got rid of a competing voice or rival advisor ( like Jorah would have wanted) and to me it was just a way for the D$s to trim the cast! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Loin Steak Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 33 minutes ago, sweetsunray said: Regarding the handling of the wildfire and the CGI blast...It was pretty ridiculous. It's made clear in S2 how volatile and unstable the stuff is, how it keeps burning and is hot enough to melt someone in his boots. And you can't put it out either (otherwise the wildfire couldn't have been burning like it did in the bay, in water). The amount of wildfire stashed underneath the sept would pretty much have blasted away that whole hill, flung wildfire kms around in a city that's basically all wood. Half the city should be in ashes. And that's if they're incredibly lucky and it didn't trigger off the other wildfire caches hidden throughout the city, which I'm pretty sure Jaime even mentioned on the show. The Great Fire of London (1666) was sparked by a single bakery going up; after a massive explosion of mystical Greek fire the rest of densely packed King's Landing should be toast. They don't even have the benefit of a river running through the city to act as a firebreak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aryya Stark Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 7 minutes ago, dustette said: She didn't need to learn anything because show Dany can always burn her way out. But she did learn to make some incredibly boring speeches. At least book Dany is acutely aware of the problems with colonial rule and sometimes questioning the hypocrisy in her anti-slavery revolution. Yes and she wrestles with them. 10 minutes ago, Neds Secret said: It was pathetic, all that bullshit the HS spoke, pointless, and how in seven hells did Cersei end up being crowned, she should have been lynched instead, and Daario going was to just get rid of the actor. However the bullshit with Sansa on the outside the episode, from what I'm hearing WTF.??? I got no sense of her being Jealous from the show, Jon offered her whatever and she seemed happy to be his offsider, but theD$ckheads have to make her jealous, the D$s are just wankers that do not like the Starks, just let them be happy to have some family and let them face all the other threats FFS, the D$s are just relentless with their torture and evidently they had worse planned for Septa Unella but had to film what we got because their initial plans were too extreme?? Mate, I didn't like Septa Unella but no way she deserved torture for being religious, Sheryl is still alive and she is probably happy Tommen is dead so she could get the power instead! Did she say that? I didn't get that feeling either, I thought she was quite happy with the way things were going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prince of Porne Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 14 minutes ago, Neds Secret said: It was pathetic, all that bullshit the HS spoke, pointless, and how in seven hells did Cersei end up being crowned, she should have been lynched instead, and Daario going was to just get rid of the actor. However the bullshit with Sansa on the outside the episode, from what I'm hearing WTF.??? I got no sense of her being Jealous from the show, Jon offered her whatever and she seemed happy to be his offsider, but theD$ckheads have to make her jealous, the D$s are just wankers that do not like the Starks, just let them be happy to have some family and let them face all the other threats FFS, the D$s are just relentless with their torture and evidently they had worse planned for Septa Unella but had to film what we got because their initial plans were too extreme?? Mate, I didn't like Septa Unella but no way she deserved torture for being religious, Sheryl is still alive and she is probably happy Tommen is dead so she could get the power instead! Where did you hear this? It wouldn't surprise me, though. I bet they were itching for some torture porn. I salute those of you who subject yourselves to the "inside the episodes" so that I don't have to. I can't imagine sitting through this BS show and then having to listen to D&D pontificate about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanF Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 2 minutes ago, Sir Loin Steak said: And that's if they're incredibly lucky and it didn't trigger off the other wildfire caches hidden throughout the city, which I'm pretty sure Jaime even mentioned on the show. The Great Fire of London (1666) was sparked by a single bakery going up; after a massive explosion of mystical Greek fire the rest of densely packed King's Landing should be toast. They don't even have the benefit of a river running through the city to act as a firebreak. London was mostly a wooden city in 1666. Kings Landing (Dubrovnik) in the Show is stone. But, it was undoubtedly fortunate that other caches of wildfire weren't triggered, not that I imagine Cersei would have cared if half the city had been burned down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kissdbyfire Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 56 minutes ago, Aryya Stark said: There is also the ethical question. Would Dany want to ally with the Dornish women who killed Lord Doran and Trystane for no reason? They committed murder and kinslaying to rule Dorne, I can't believe Dany would want to ally with them after that. Well, she fed a random master to her dragon just because she could? Or just to convince Hizzy to marry her? Or just to show what a badass she is? And then she became Firestarter and incinerated the khals who, despite all their "manly" talk, were just weak men. I'd say Ellaria and Khaleesi will get on famously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanF Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 24 minutes ago, Sir Loin Steak said: 21 minutes ago, The Prince of Porne said: Where did you hear this? It wouldn't surprise me, though. I bet they were itching for some torture porn. I salute those of you who subject yourselves to the "inside the episodes" so that I don't have to. I can't imagine sitting through this BS show and then having to listen to D&D pontificate about it. It's Lena Headey who said the scene with Unella was intended to be more brutal. It's disturbing the number of comments one reads who approve of what Cersei is doing to her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldGimletEye Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 4 minutes ago, kissdbyfire said: Well, she fed a random master to her dragon just because she could? Or just to convince Hizzy to marry her? Or just to show what a badass she is? And then she became Firestarter and incinerated the khals who, despite all their "manly" talk, were just weak men. I'd say Ellaria and Khaleesi will get on famously. Sound like the start of a beautiful friendship, bonding over death, destruction, mayhem and arson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aryya Stark Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 2 minutes ago, kissdbyfire said: Well, she fed a random master to her dragon just because she could? Or just to convince Hizzy to marry her? Or just to show what a badass she is? And then she became Firestarter and incinerated the khals who, despite all their "manly" talk, were just weak men. I'd say Ellaria and Khaleesi will get on famously. True. Like all the other characters in the show the only thing they seem to have in common with their book counterparts are just their names...I don't recognize any of these characters anymore lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Cygne Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Doesn't matter what the buildings are made of, there should have been mass destruction of life and property, not just contained to that area. It was a good rant, just a convenient plot device. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kissdbyfire Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 41 minutes ago, SeanF said: Daenerys in the books certainly has a conscience. I expect to see her performing some pretty dark deeds to attain power, but she'll always agonise over them. And, I'm sure she'll agonise over some of the people she's allied to, and who serve her. Daenerys in the Show had a conscience, but I'm not at all sure if it still exists. But, in the Show, having a conscience is for wimps. Well, we even have that pre season 6 interview with Clarke where she not only states Khaleesi IS fireproof, but that in season 6 we'd see her shed the last of her humanity or something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldGimletEye Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 7 minutes ago, SeanF said: It's Lena Headey who said the scene with Unella was intended to be more brutal. It's disturbing the number of comments one reads who approve of what Cersei is doing to her. So it wasn't clear to some people that Cersei was acting very badly here? Maybe they weren't tipped off by the fact that the Hellraiser guy called Cersei and asked for his dress back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanF Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Just now, kissdbyfire said: Well, we even have that pre season 6 interview with Clarke where she not only states Khaleesi IS fireproof, but that in season 6 we'd see her shed the last of her humanity or something like that. Oh yes, that's true. So, in Season 7 it'll be a contest for power between an evil Cersei, an evil Ellaria, and a Daenerys who is at best amoral. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanF Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 1 minute ago, OldGimletEye said: So it wasn't clear to some people that Cersei was acting very badly here? Maybe they weren't tipped off by the fact that the Hellraiser guy called Cersei and asked for his dress back. There are viewers who consider it to be no more than some very titillating poetic justice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldGimletEye Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Just now, SeanF said: There are viewers who consider it to be no more than some very titillating poetic justice. I see. Perhaps, it's the case that some viewers are about as sharp as a marble? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairGrowsBack Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 8 minutes ago, OldGimletEye said: So it wasn't clear to some people that Cersei was acting very badly here? Maybe they weren't tipped off by the fact that the Hellraiser guy called Cersei and asked for his dress back. I really don't get the audience's response to Cersei. When she is the poor put-upon mum who does nothing wrong : what a bitch, I hope she dies ; when she tortures a relatively innocent woman and partakes in her brutal rape : yay, slay queen ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Cygne Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 53 minutes ago, Neds Secret said: And just a note on Dany basically farewelling show Daario forever, when your headed to a strange place to conquer a populace you've never met I would imagine you would want people that you know and trust around you more than ever. Show Daario was extremely loyal, competent and very street or world wise, leaving him was naive of Dany and basically Tyrion has got rid of a competing voice or rival advisor ( like Jorah would have wanted) and to me it was just a way for the D$s to trim the cast! Agree, this bothers me a lot, and not just because I like Daario. In the books, Dany comes to regret the political marriage to Hizzy. She literally cries after they have sex on her wedding night, for Daario. Let's repeat that, she cries because she misses Daario, and feels like she's made a mistake. She just had sex with a guy for political reasons, and it felt terrible. In the books, GRRM uses embracing sexuality, in a positive sense, expressing and exploring desires, as a way of personal empowerment for women and when they deny their sexuality, they lose this personal power. She just went through this, that's what Daario was about, embracing the dragon. Riding Drogo, riding Daario, riding Drogon... it's about embracing who SHE IS. A dragon. She doesn't plant trees, she conquers. She's never going to be a silk queen. She's going to play it her way from now on. In the books. That's not to say she might not have some nominal marriage (although probably not even that), but she's going to have a lover. It makes ZERO sense that she leaves Daario behind. She thinks about him a dozen times in her last chapter, and explicitly associates him with embracing her dragon. When she turns back, away from Hizzy and Meereen, to Drogon, she pictures Daario sitting beside her. This is very clear. She learned something. I do think that the things they had Daario tell her were like a lesson she's going to learn on the show, that this throne is not going to make her happy. But she already learned this in the books. It's not just Daario I'm talking about here, I'm objecting to this cold, empty woman who is denying her sexuality for politics, that's not Dany. That is D&D&C, though. They did the same thing with Sansa, they cut her sexual awakening with Sandor for a rape and revenge plot with Ramsay. Sansa didn't need this "lesson" either, she knows damn well that she's in touch with her sexuality, and what that means to her. It's how she's resisting LF, her thoughts of her own desires are how she fights him. Anyway, here's what they had Daario tell her, and I note, they did not kill him off, so he still may play in to the story. Quote You'll get that throne you want so badly, I'm sure of it. I hope it brings you happiness. I pity the lords of Westeros. They have no idea what's coming for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aryya Stark Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 10 minutes ago, SeanF said: Oh yes, that's true. So, in Season 7 it'll be a contest for power between an evil Cersei, an evil Ellaria, and a Daenerys who is at best amoral. Wonderful...I am at a loss who to root for lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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