[Spoilers] Rant & Rave without Repercussions - First We Take King's Landing Edition

[Cas Stark]

20 minutes ago, kissdbyfire said:

But they needed the lil Lyanna scene to establish that Hodor was a normal boy before Bran fried his brain. Right? That's the purpose of the scene with the Stark kids 1st gen and Young Hodor. The Hold the Door SHOCK is more important than some stupid R+L scene. There's also the fact that if they put in actual hints, people may actually understand something and figure it out, which means when the reveal proper is made, it won't be a OMG DIDN'T SEE THAT COMING YouTube Moment. Can't have that.

And no way they'd show Teen Carol as a cold murderer, because, again, takes away from the shock in s 6. 

Fuck yes.  I lost my mind for a moment and forgot we're talking about Carol and not Cersei.  LOL.  Certainly, you are correct, Carol would never throw her best friend down a well and be such a freak she still resents her almost 20 years later....

Now that Carol has gone Black Dress Evil, I must say again, that I have a high tolerance for people displaying base emotions over trivial stuff, but I was really, truly shocked that so many thought Spoonella deserved it?!  The fuck is wrong with people.  She's a fucking NUN.  I could see being happy the High Cobbler got it, he's a hypocrite, misogynist and never shuts the fuck up, LOL, and has caused all kinds of destruction in KL, oh and he hates the gays...but Spoonella? To cheer and feel happy about that?  OMG we are destined for ruin as a society.

[Arrow of the Morning]

46 minutes ago, Cas Stark said:

In hindsight it would have been really good to have Dany see Rhaegar in her vision.  Then, the viewer gets a face and they could put in whatever back story or hint they wanted to.  Same for Lyanne.  That stupid tween flashback was UTTERLY POINTLESS!!!  Who gives a shit?????  Why don't you show the grown up Lyanna doing something relevant? Like talking to her brother about Bob, or show her with Rhaegar at the tournament.  Then, when you finally show the TOJ II scene, it will have some context for the show.

I see non- book readers fans having expectation about some revelations, theories and character introductions because they create that expectation through ad sites, podcasts and Youtube videos that bring some book information. If you see only for the show you don't have build up, no dramatic foreshadowing, no set up. Nothing. Nada. If you see, the show alone is too hollow. The rewatching value of the show is very low, because they don't create tension and don't set up the plot twists (and when they do, it is atrocious). The best plot twists in cinema or tv series are the ones that gives you the pieces through out the story, even you don't figuring out, and gives the revelation. When you watch a second time you pick everything together and make it an enjoyable experience. GoT don't have it, may be because no one makes Youtube reaction videos of  fans watching a second time and saying "eh, that is really shit"    

[Ruhail]

1 hour ago, sweetsunray said:

tnx

Knew you'd like it.

[Dolorous Gabe]

1 hour ago, Cas Stark said:

I could see why they didn't want to use flashbacks and dreams initially.  But, the problem there is, they never came up with a good alternative.  If we're not doing flashbacks, and Jon Snow's parents are important and we're putting it in the story, how will we do it?  They simply hand waved to each other and said' 'we'll think about it tomorrow'....and they found they couldn't come up with anything...which is why the decided to do the flashbacks...but they botched even that.

I can also see why they might have that point of view initially. And I think you're absolutely right about the failure of thought-process they went through.

But honestly, is there any other way they could have properly informed the viewer of the Lyanna/Rhaegar story than using flashbacks? They obviously can't spend masses of time having characters providing such backstory in dialogue. It's a visual medium and people remember images better than words. I think there were legitimate ways of using flashbacks without taking the viewer out of the main story. A few cold open memories from Ned's perspective, from Jaime's perspective, from Barristan's perspective.

I guess they could have found a reason to frame it as vitally important that Bran learn the whole story but then they'd have spent a great deal of time this season on it (although they could have started that last season instead of abandoning Bran). It certainly looks as though Bran will be the one to tell him so why couldn't we have gone into more detail about RR and Lyanna/Rhaegar? But then, as Bran fans already point out, he has been pretty much reduced to an exposition unit.

[kissdbyfire]

1 hour ago, Cas Stark said:

Fuck yes.  I lost my mind for a moment and forgot we're talking about Carol and not Cersei.  LOL.  Certainly, you are correct, Carol would never throw her best friend down a well and be such a freak she still resents her almost 20 years later....

Now that Carol has gone Black Dress Evil, I must say again, that I have a high tolerance for people displaying base emotions over trivial stuff, but I was really, truly shocked that so many thought Spoonella deserved it?!  The fuck is wrong with people.  She's a fucking NUN.  I could see being happy the High Cobbler got it, he's a hypocrite, misogynist and never shuts the fuck up, LOL, and has caused all kinds of destruction in KL, oh and he hates the gays...but Spoonella? To cheer and feel happy about that?  OMG we are destined for ruin as a society.

A fucking nun in Westeros 2 (according to Cogman LOL), translates as "had it coming". And I haven't read ANYTHING about the last eps and the season but I can totally see how many fans of the show would agree with the wine-boarding Cheryl gave Spoonella.

ETA: wine boarding AND FrankenMountain, forgot him.

[Cas Stark]

14 minutes ago, kissdbyfire said:

A fucking nun in Westeros 2 (according to Cogman LOL), translates as "had it coming". And I haven't read ANYTHING about the last eps and the season but I can totally see how many fans of the show would agree with the wine-boarding Cheryl gave Spoonella.

ETA: wine boarding AND FrankenMountain, forgot him.

Did you see Lena's interview where she said that scene was originally going to be much more graphic?!  Which I assume means we would have been treated to Spoonella's graphic rape and associated torture.  I wonder who red flagged that bad idea and how they got Dan and Dave to roll back on the torture porn?  Sweet.

[Ruhail]

16 minutes ago, Cas Stark said:

Did you see Lena's interview where she said that scene was originally going to be much more graphic?!  Which I assume means we would have been treated to Spoonella's graphic rape and associated torture.  I wonder who red flagged that bad idea and how they got Dan and Dave to roll back on the torture porn?  Sweet.

Jesus fucking christ, it never ends with these sadists does it? FOR THE SHOCK!

And to think we thought their gartuitous child burning was the line.

[Le Cygne]

8 minutes ago, Cas Stark said:

Did you see Lena's interview where she said that scene was originally going to be much more graphic?!  Which I assume means we would have been treated to Spoonella's graphic rape and associated torture.  I wonder who red flagged that bad idea and how they got Dan and Dave to roll back on the torture porn?  Sweet.

That's horrifying... they just don't get it, and they never will.

[Meera of Tarth]

DarkCarol

[The Fattest Leech]

42 minutes ago, Cas Stark said:

Did you see Lena's interview where she said that scene was originally going to be much more graphic?!  Which I assume means we would have been treated to Spoonella's graphic rape and associated torture.  I wonder who red flagged that bad idea and how they got Dan and Dave to roll back on the torture porn?  Sweet.

I know! The blogsite The Mary Sue?

Oh wait, no. They went back on their word to never cover GoT again

Nevermind.

[Cas Stark]

/Indeed, Cersei's revenge was one both utterly depraved and utterly triumphant in its brutality; none more so than her treatment of Septa Unella AKA the "Shame!" Nun, now left at the torturous hands of the Mountain. 

"Everyone is going to be aghast and thrilled and annoyed they’re on Cersei’s side for a minute," Headey said. "I don’t think people will be able to help going, 'Yes!' But it’s so depraved, it’s brilliant. The scene was meant to be worse, but they couldn’t do it. This is like the tame version. It’s pretty bad still, though. I’d take being exploded in the Sept over that any day."

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/game-of-thrones-season-6-episode-10-lena-headey-on-finale-cersei-lannister-iron-throne-twists-this-a7105316.html

[Ruhail]

9 minutes ago, Cas Stark said:

/Indeed, Cersei's revenge was one both utterly depraved and utterly triumphant in its brutality; none more so than her treatment of Septa Unella AKA the "Shame!" Nun, now left at the torturous hands of the Mountain. 

"Everyone is going to be aghast and thrilled and annoyed they’re on Cersei’s side for a minute,"

Headey said. "I don’t think people will be able to help going, 'Yes!' But it’s so depraved, it’s brilliant. The scene was meant to be worse, but they couldn’t do it. This is like the tame version. It’s pretty bad still, though. I’d take being exploded in the Sept over that any day."

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/game-of-thrones-season-6-episode-10-lena-headey-on-finale-cersei-lannister-iron-throne-twists-this-a7105316.html

Lol wut?  She was the complete anthitesis of sympathetic in ep10 no matter what

[Cas Stark]

1 minute ago, Ruhail said:

Lol wut?  She was the complete anthitesis of sympathetic in ep10 no matter what

Yeah, I wasn't on her side for a nano-second.  

But, it's kind of funny, considering how many people have claimed that "Carol" Lannister isn't really sympathetic in the show, and anyone who sees that is nitpicking.  Hmmm.  The actress who plays her sees that, in fact, Lena thinks Carol is so sympathetic that she expects the audience to go 'hell yeah' when she straps down a nun and leaves her with the Mountain.  If that's not a white wash, nothing is. 

[kissdbyfire]

53 minutes ago, Cas Stark said:

Did you see Lena's interview where she said that scene was originally going to be much more graphic?!  Which I assume means we would have been treated to Spoonella's graphic rape and associated torture.  I wonder who red flagged that bad idea and how they got Dan and Dave to roll back on the torture porn?  Sweet.

I didn't, wow. As with the Shae non appearance, I thank the OG for this small mercy. 

[Ruhail]

10 minutes ago, Cas Stark said:

Yeah, I wasn't on her side for a nano-second.  

But, it's kind of funny, considering how many people have claimed that "Carol" Lannister isn't really sympathetic in the show, and anyone who sees that is nitpicking.  Hmmm.  The actress who plays her sees that, in fact, Lena thinks Carol is so sympathetic that she expects the audience to go 'hell yeah' when she straps down a nun and leaves her with the Mountain.  If that's not a white wash, nothing is. 

And yet Stannis, Catelyn and Jaime are irredeemable monsters in their eyes because their precious favourites are more important. 

[The Wull]

44 minutes ago, Ruhail said:

And yet Stannis, Catelyn and Jaime are irredeemable monsters in their eyes because their precious favourites are more important. 

And Sansa apparently. Somehow.

[Neds Secret]

13 hours ago, Cas Stark said:

It does kind of point up how useless was the Riverlands segments this season.  

Hey, here is this guy you've forgotten about: Blackfish, now he's dead.  Hey, here is another guy you've forgotten about, Edmure, now he's back in a cell.  Hey, here's Jamie in the RL, now he's back in KL.  Hey, here's Bri in the RL....now she's ?  Since it seems the BF is really dead on the show....that entire sequence of events was pointless, it disposed of House Tully which the audience had already forgotten about.  Jamie could have gone straight to the Frey feast....

The whole season especially including Kingslanding was just useless filler,talk about being really busy talking and saying nothing!

[rosehustle1]

4 hours ago, Dolorous Gabe said:

I can also see why they might have that point of view initially. And I think you're absolutely right about the failure of thought-process they went through.

But honestly, is there any other way they could have properly informed the viewer of the Lyanna/Rhaegar story than using flashbacks? They obviously can't spend masses of time having characters providing such backstory in dialogue. It's a visual medium and people remember images better than words. I think there were legitimate ways of using flashbacks without taking the viewer out of the main story. A few cold open memories from Ned's perspective, from Jaime's perspective, from Barristan's perspective.

I guess they could have found a reason to frame it as vitally important that Bran learn the whole story but then they'd have spent a great deal of time this season on it (although they could have started that last season instead of abandoning Bran). It certainly looks as though Bran will be the one to tell him so why couldn't we have gone into more detail about RR and Lyanna/Rhaegar? But then, as Bran fans already point out, he has been pretty much reduced to an exposition unit.

What's funny about it is they always said using flashbacks was lazy writing, but all they do is lazy writing.Other shows are able to utilize flash backs effectively without it seeming clunky or lazy. I thought the first season of Heroes did this brilliantly especially the black and white episode about HRG. Even How I Met Your Mother always did flash backs and forwards really well. And it's bad when a sitcom is able to keep better continuity and details than a 10 million dollar an episode HBO drama. I was thinking about this the other day after a binge watch of HIMYM. They really kept up on old episodes, established timelines, little nuances as they progressed in the series and incorporated that in future episodes.  The writers really cared that the characters lives didn't exist in one scene that had no impact further down the line. They made the experiences have impact and remain a part of the characters' collective memories.

[Le Cygne]

Flashbacks can be good, also dreams. They even pulled off some well on this show with Bran, with Catelyn, and with his brothers back at Winterfell, those stayed with me, still remember the scenes, unlike most of the trashy nonsense of this show that shall hardly last to the last syllable of recorded time.

[Le Cygne]

Just remembered another bit of Larry telegraphing, I guess he truly won't get his story back, because he has to stick around KL to kill or attempt to kill the sainted one, who is probably going to kill Cheryl.

"If I ever see him, I'll split him in two."

Although could be that he never sees him. Larry has also got to die "in the arms of the woman I love," I suppose. And who will that woman be? Seems like Cheryl. "We don't get to choose who we love."

Brienne will protect Sansa "until the day I die" but that's seriously cockblocking Sandor, who we saw wasn't shy of showing said cock. So maybe there will be payback, and he returns the favor to the Brute.

"He gave me this sword to protect her. That is what I have done and I will continue to do until the day I die."

She's so self-righteous for someone who watched for a candle all season instead of actually protecting her, then turned away to kill Stannis. And protected her for like a week or so. Then left on a failed mission.

(added some more quotes...)