One-eyed Misbehavin Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 I think you guys found my question? If so by whom/what will the repercussions be? Also I have a side question and it's been really really bothering me.... Is Jon Stannis' 1st friend? I feel like Renly's and Stannis lived very Storm's End/Maester Cresson led lives (I'm sure he did allow them to visit thier vassals castles etc.) and idk if Stannis ever had anyone he could lean on at all. It's how Mel got so close to him so fast. But I would call them friends and Stannis clearly wasn't cool with Robert/Ned orAnyone at court even before Robert's death. BTW how he treated Cresson was fd up. "Do not judge a man by how he treats his equals, judge a man by how he treats those beneath him"- Sirius Black Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rumy Stark Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 I am sure Cersei will call him a great many things, but the whole situation in Westeros is so wacky right now from a political perspective that I honestly doubt much time will be spent focusing on Jon as a traitor to the crown since Dorne and Highgarden are also on the treason train and there is a gigantic army headed towards King's Landing (presumably). As for the Jon/Stannis question--it's possible. I'd say Davos was Stannis' friend, though. They had a different sort of relationship but "friends" does fit in there, amid all the other complex things they dealt with as King and Hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubicante Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 I don't like how the show just assumes every character understands how Jon died and is resurrected, therefore being free of his vows to the Night's Watch. The only character who pointed out this issue is Ramsay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lockjaw of House Boltagon Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Dany could, and should, but she'd be seen as a major hypocrite for denying the North its independence while supporting Yara's claim to the Salt Throne. Tyrion did warn her that allowing the Iron Islands to #Wexit could cause all sorts of trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonSnowed Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 But Dany is the Upsurper especially once she realises Jon has a better claim to the Iron Throne than she does. I agree though a Jon and Dany confrontation at least of sorts is surely inevitable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illinifan Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 I actually thought this would come up more. The Northern Lords are either totally willing to accept Jon's story of dying, being resurrected, and getting out of the NW on a technicality or the politics is so screwed up it does not matter. I certainly hope this does come up. Jon is violating the spirit of his vows if not the exact words. In fact, I believe that is his main character arc. I would love it if someone like a Tyrion pointed this out to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illinifan Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 3 hours ago, JonSnowed said: But Dany is the Upsurper especially once she realises Jon has a better claim to the Iron Throne than she does. I agree though a Jon and Dany confrontation at least of sorts is surely inevitable. It will be more difficult for Dany to conquer the North than people think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoop Arryn Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 I don't know if I follow or understand the question, OP. The Tully's and large portions of the Riverlands are still in turmoil in the aftermath of the WotFK. The Boltons are in open rebellion of the IT, after taking Sansa. The rest of the North wants to restore the Starks/KitN, that is in open rebellion of the IT. Stannis was in open rebellion. The Ironborn are in open rebellion. Porne is in open rebellion. and after this episode, the Reach is too. There is a lot of rebelling going on, idk why Jon needs to be singled out for this. As for treason or leaving his NW vows, Jon has constantly said in show that he is looking to fight the real enemy. He was convinced to help secure the north by Sansa, but I think it's clear he also realizes that securing the north first would be best to help fight off the Long Night. Based on last episode. He can now use the North to help support the NW or maybe even he re-joins the NW if Bran comes back to WF, so he doesn't take WF away from Bran. And at the end of the day, he did die. He served the NW for his life. Calling it a technicality doesn't make it untrue. That being said, I don't necessarily disagree that I'd like to see more characters mention it to him or ask him about why he left The Watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illinifan Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 I am sure that this is how King Jon Snow/ Stark/ Targaryen will convince himself that his honor is not sullied. He might have been overwhelmed in the entire KiTN scene but Jon now has everything he ever wanted as a child. He isn't going to give that up. I think that it is more ironic if the honorable foster son of Ned Stark ends up breaking all his vows to save the world. He has the crown, lands, and glory. All he needs is the wife and children to complete it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan of Rosby Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 10 hours ago, Lyin' Ned said: Dany could, and should, but she'd be seen as a major hypocrite for denying the North its independence while supporting Yara's claim to the Salt Throne. Tyrion did warn her that allowing the Iron Islands to #Wexit could cause all sorts of trouble. Yes, a spectacular display of weakness from a Targaryen monarch. She should have said "I will allow you de facto independence, you're free to rule in my stead. But de jure I am the Queen of Westeros and the Iron Islands, legally you will merely be the caretaker of the Iron Islands. You will bend the knee to me or there will be fire and blood". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OuttaOldtown Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 There will come a time when the real enemy will become the priority, Jon isn't being named king of the north as a power move to eventually take the IT like Stannis nor is he doing for the same reasons as Robb. At this point rebelling against Cersei makes a hell of a lot more sense than bowing to her crazy ass. And with Tyrion advising Dany, and her listening, I see no chance of another war between the north & the crown.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KINGpanther Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 It's all about Ned being Jon's dad for the North. Will be interesting when Bran drops the R bomb on Jon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One-eyed Misbehavin Posted June 28, 2016 Author Share Posted June 28, 2016 14 hours ago, Rubicante said: I don't like how the show just assumes every character understands how Jon died and is resurrected, therefore being free of his vows to the Night's Watch. The only character who pointed out this issue is Ramsay. Actually When asked if he was leaving the watch (immediately after being brought back) he says something like "my post is over I've completed my watch" paraphrase obviously Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArthurDude Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 2 hours ago, KINGpanther said: It's all about Ned being Jon's dad for the North. Will be interesting when Bran drops the R bomb on Jon. I expect Jon will handle that very poorly. He admires his father, this revelation confirms both that his father is not his father and that he lied to him for his entire life about the central fact of his existence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Biscuit Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 No, it won't make sense creatively because they don't want it to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Mother Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Dany won't be having a King who doesn't submit. Do you see Jon and the wildlings falling on their knees for her? She told Asha "LET THEM ASK" when Tyrion advises her what if others want independence. This doesn't sit well with most of Westeros. Very proud people and they won't react well to someone coming in to "usurp" Cercei EXCEPT for the sole purpose of removing Cersei from power. After that, there will be conflict when she starts going "I am the the first of my name, Queen of all, mother of dragons, etc" Dorne and Ollena ONLY want revenge on Cercei. I'm not sure they care what happens otherwise. Dorne (Elaria IS Dorne basically in the show now) will support a female ruler and she'll want that. I can see Ollena mounting a force against EVERYONE once her vengeance is appeased on Cersei. Wildcard Rose Thorne. Oh, and I think we all know LittleFinger won't be having any parts of Dany. Sansa? Hard to tell. She'll support Dany SIMPLY because LF opposes her. I NEED TO KNOW ABOUT RIVERRUN AND HOW IT ALL PLAYS INTO THIS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Broke Howard Hughes Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 People will call him things but Jon will be very popular with the smallfolk. Being a bastard who became a king is the sort of story the rank and file would love. It'll make them feel like it could be them one day. He'll be a legend. That sort of love and adoration will be hard to smear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quyen Thuy Tran Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 9 hours ago, illinifan said: I actually thought this would come up more. The Northern Lords are either totally willing to accept Jon's story of dying, being resurrected, and getting out of the NW on a technicality or the politics is so screwed up it does not matter. I certainly hope this does come up. Jon is violating the spirit of his vows if not the exact words. In fact, I believe that is his main character arc. I would love it if someone like a Tyrion pointed this out to him. Jon will just coldly and solemnly telling them to go fxxx themselves at the wall and wait for the Others to come and turn them into zombie. Tyrion is a kinslayer, he is no better than Jon. The thing is, in war, casual rules don't matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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