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3 hours ago, tmug said:

Well if Bran's mark does not allow the WW to invade Westeros past the Wall then no one should really worry about an invasion. That is too simple and puts an end to the upcoming conflict with the WW. 

Maybe Benjen needed to be more specific because we did have a case where a Wight was able to pass through the Wall and attacked Lord Commander Mormont in his chambers.

So is it the Others can't pass the Wall while the Wights can?

Oh crapsticks, I totally forgot about that reanimated wight in S1! If Benjen's words to Bran & Meera are right, then how the heck did that happen? A living person has to carry the wight across the threshold of the Wall? So then all the Night King has to do is have his white walker soldiers drag the wight's across in carts or something? Damn.

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3 minutes ago, PetyrPunkinhead said:

Oh crapsticks, I totally forgot about that reanimated wight in S1! If Benjen's words to Bran & Meera are right, then how the heck did that happen? A living person has to carry the wight across the threshold of the Wall? So then all the Night King has to do is have his white walker soldiers drag the wight's across in carts or something? Damn.

Coincidence that Meera or someone will be carrying Bran through the Wall?

Since he bears the NK's mark then is carried over past the Wall, that means Wall's magic is nullified and the Others can cross or just blow the Wall up or something.

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I think it's a fair theory that Bran crossing the wall will negate the magic that's kept the NK & white walkers out for millennia. However, if that could happen and the 3ER did not warn Bran of this then fuck 3ER, really. That's some crucial bit of info to not relay to Bran. I realize shit was hectic near the end of S6E5 there with the wight invasion, but seriously, even with that...C'mon, man!

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I doubt Bran brings down the wall.  

I just fail to see how someone who is learning to become all knowing can't get the feeling that he would be responsible for such a catastrophic event.  

Maybe Bran will be involved somehow, but it won't be his fault or by any choice he makes imo.  

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On 6/27/2016 at 0:56 PM, Drogo_1 said:

After re watching the finale, The scene with Benjen leaving Bran and Meera just shook me up a bit. I got a huge feeling that Benjen is not a servant of the three eyed raven but rather a servant of the night king. He led them to the wall gave a little speech about why he can't cross the wall then gave bran a really strange long look and left. I wouldn't be surprised if this was the Night Kings way to have bran unintentionally bring down the wall.

I don't think there's too much to think about here. The show was just re making a scene in the books where Coldhands help Gillian and Sam get to the wall after what happened in the first of the first men and he said that he couldn't cross because of the magic barrier. Don't know why they didn't do it like the book but the show is really off for the past couple of seasons.

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On 6/27/2016 at 1:13 PM, Rumy Stark said:

I'm not sure I see this, but it would be a crazy twist! I was really confused when he rode off with the horse, though, since we know Meera can't carry Bran so it seemed like the was leaving them very much stranded but also telling them to cross The Wall? I do definitely think when Bran crosses all heck will break loose though. (Assuming he can, cause I am still not sure how in the heck Bran and Meera are supposed to actually get anywhere now). 

Meera only has to get him to the clearing. They'll be spotted by the Watch and rescued by Edd. If Bran is meant to go to Winterfell, they'll be given a horse. Maybe even escorted.

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I guess I've said it somewhere else, but I'll say it again. 3ER most likely saw some parts of the future when it comes to WW and Bran. If he was worried that Bran passing south could allow WW to pass the wall, he wouldn't even invite Bran to himself, end of story. Or it might just happen there are few other ways how White Walkers can go south, so Bran is not a crucial element for them.

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3 hours ago, rodrigobraganca said:

I don't think there's too much to think about here. The show was just re making a scene in the books where Coldhands help Gillian and Sam get to the wall after what happened in the first of the first men and he said that he couldn't cross because of the magic barrier. Don't know why they didn't do it like the book but the show is really off for the past couple of seasons.

Pretty much.

We shouldn't over-think this.  Benjen was simply killed by The Others and brought back to life by the COTF.  He's not a servant of anyone or anything like that.  Just a guy who was brought back to life via magic, that's all.

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2 hours ago, TheSmallOther said:

I guess I've said it somewhere else, but I'll say it again. 3ER most likely saw some parts of the future when it comes to WW and Bran. If he was worried that Bran passing south could allow WW to pass the wall, he wouldn't even invite Bran to himself, end of story. Or it might just happen there are few other ways how White Walkers can go south, so Bran is not a crucial element for them.

(I forget what the correct term is) but what if Bran is, because of his power, is a space-time anomaly that can alter the stream of time or is outside whatever was meant to be. And by him getting touched by NK it changed the whole course of event 3ER saw and even changed the rules about what happens when he passes the wall due to his anomaly status.

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On ‎27‎/‎06‎/‎2016 at 6:05 PM, Drogo_1 said:

I disagree, my understanding is that the 3er has seen everything that has happened and will happen. He could simply have kept that information from Bran so he can discover it in another way that will further the goal of defeating the Night King.

Dramatically and logically I think this route would make more sense than Bran simply carrying the mark being an error from the "good guys", Brans ability to see though time obviously allows for the potential for such plots being explains fairly easily.

Of course we don't know specifically what any of these "barriers" really entail, perhaps the wall is a weaker barrier than the one around the 3ER because it isn't maintained by old magic rather than an active force like the 3ER? You could have a scene where Bran is trying to maintain the Wall but isn't strong enough to yet. Or perhaps the Night King can break down these barrier but at a cost he didn't consider worthwhile just to take out the 3ER and will for the Wall itself?

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Now that Bran has been marked by the Night King, I definitely think that if he crosses the Wall, he takes the magic away with him, just like the cave - otherwise, why go to all the trouble of all that exposition if it only worked on the cave? Very seldom are there One & Done things like that in ASOIAF. 

I think there's a distinct possibility that Coldhands Benjen is a tool of the Night's King, which is why he doesn't say directly that Bran can't cross the Wall, having been marked, but he explains as much as he can.

I also think it will be Meera who realizes Bran cannot cross the Wall, after having been marked.

While Meera and Bran are close to the Wall, they might as well be in the Land of Always Winter, since it was pretty clear Meera can't drag Bran more than a yard. I also don't know if they're close enough to be seen by anyone on the Wall, but they definitely can't stay out in the snow, so I can't think of anything else other than Bran at least going to Castle Black.

Because Castle Black is literally part of the Wall, having established that wights can get into Castle Black in season 1, and the Wall didn't lose any magic, I think that's the farthest Bran can go south, until he's tricked into leaving Castle Black and heading farther South, ir, knowing what will happen, intentionally brings down the Wall.

Perhaps Bran figures out via the Sight, that the Night King is working him, and hoping he will go South to remove the magic, and waits until Dany & Co, are all at Castle Black, then Bran can bring down the Wall, and the WW can meet Azor Ahai Reborn (Jon) and Lightbringer (Dany and her Dragons...) - and TADA! Endgame!

might be fun.

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1 hour ago, Sophie of House Stark said:

If he is working with the NK against Bran, my question is: why? What motive would he have to betray his family?

I don't think he's willingly working for the Night King, I think there's a possibility he's being controlled by the Night King, against his will, and may or may not even be aware. If he is, he's powerless to say anything or warn Bran or Meera in any way. 

Or maybe he's not, and is doing everything he said he was, with zero guile. He might not know Bran is marked, or if he does, he may think Bran is smart enough to figure it out. 

I guess it will come down to which ever serves the plot better - that he knows, and won't cross unless required, or on purpose of bringing down the Wall, or that he'll  be surprised he didn't figure it out until after it happens.

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6 hours ago, Sophie of House Stark said:

If he is working with the NK against Bran, my question is: why? What motive would he have to betray his family?

No of course he isn't. If there is anything that the show has taught us it is this: that each and every time we over think things and come up with something complicated and tricky and interesting,  that theory is utterly wrong.

Things are what they appear to be. No more.

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14 hours ago, CrypticWeirwood said:

No of course he isn't. If there is anything that the show has taught us it is this: that each and every time we over think things and come up with something complicated and tricky and interesting,  that theory is utterly wrong.

Things are what they appear to be. No more.

I guess that's all part of the fun.

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On 6/30/2016 at 7:13 AM, SevasTra82 said:

Pretty much.

We shouldn't over-think this.  Benjen was simply killed by The Others and brought back to life by the COTF.  He's not a servant of anyone or anything like that.  Just a guy who was brought back to life via magic, that's all.

I agree. Considering they have 13 episodes left to tell two and a third-ish books' worth of story, the simpler answer will 9 times out of 10 be the correct one. 

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On 29 June 2016 at 4:57 PM, Anarres said:

I've seen this theory mentioned with some frequency, but is there more to it than equating the wards the Three Eyed Raven put up to guard his abode with the ancient magic that supposedly guards the Wall?

TER: 'He touched you. He knows you are here. He'll come for you.'
Bran: 'But he can't get in.'
TER: 'He can now. His mark is on you.'

That's all that was said in The Door. It's rather vague about the extent of the effects of this mark.

Yes it's vague and I'm sure the writers will conveniently forget about it in season 7 when Bran makes it south of the Wall.

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On 6/27/2016 at 1:17 PM, TickTak7 said:

I didn't see it. 

What I did see, is Benjen confirming that the Wall is going to come down at some point. 

"While the wall stands, the dead cannot pass". 

We know the Night's King can do that whole hand-to-ground-causes-destruction thing. 

The Wall is coming down, and thats how the White Walkers are coming south. 

 

I don't think the touch the ground thing is that powerful, if it was powerful enough to bring down the wall, why not just crush the whole cave killing Bran, 3ER, etc. in one fell swoop.

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On July 12, 2016 at 4:51 PM, Sophie of House Stark said:

If he is working with the NK against Bran, my question is: why? What motive would he have to betray his family?

While I don't necessarily believe that theory, you shouldn't think of the wights as reanimated people with memories etc.  they're just meat puppets that the WWs control.  It could be that the NK is pretending that the body is still Benjen when it's really not.  

Could also be that the wights can't cross the wall themselves, but if someone brings them across (like the NW did with the ones who attacked the LC) the NK can reconnect with them and control them. 

That attack was, I think, the NK testing he walks magic. 

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