TwiceBorn Posted July 3, 2016 Share Posted July 3, 2016 12 hours ago, watcher of the night said: Please try again. " He fought and risked his life, which is more than any of the northern Lords/Ladies can claim in that room including Sansa. " All hail Podrick the king of the West! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xjlxking Posted July 3, 2016 Share Posted July 3, 2016 Robb's will was not needed. Power recedes where man choose even if Robb said Jon was a legitimate heir, it would not change their mindset. This is why they refused to help Sansa initially. She was the heir but they couldn't care less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Jon Snow Stark Posted July 3, 2016 Share Posted July 3, 2016 1 hour ago, HallowedMarcus said: No the Stark are not dead because John Snow is a Stark and a Targaryen, if the direct descentes of Edward Stark were dead. Considering that Prince Rhaegar and Lysana did marry before a tree or/and a Septon. But even if John dies thae Stark line is not dead at all. Because.... ARYA STARK still lives!!! If Arya has children they will be in a different house. Same as Jon he doesn't have the Stark surname. The children of Jon, Sansa and Arya will all have different surnames. They will be Stark descendants but not Starks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battle Kitten Posted July 3, 2016 Share Posted July 3, 2016 On 6/27/2016 at 4:22 PM, Boarsbane said: Maybe they don't think people can even remember who Robb was This. People can't remember a conversation about too few ships an episode before Varys brokers a deal to get more ships and bring them back. Teleport my ass, pay attention. That's why there will be no LS, no one remembers who Catelyn was. Lots of people didn't remember the BwB. Robb's will would have been a side story that wasn't necessary in the visual realm and probably would have tipped off most viewers of his pending demise. The Northerner's just saw the Bolton's completely wiped out after being (implied) terrorized under their rule. We are pretty much told this by Glover when he said he could be flayed for talking to them. People were in fear of the Boltons, they are gone thanks to Jon, While not a legitimate Stark, as far as they know, all the other Stark heirs are gone. Jon just saved them from the Bolton's, he's the last man standing, they rallied. It's pretty tidy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrypticWeirwood Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 53 minutes ago, captaindargo said: If Arya has children they will be in a different house. Same as Jon he doesn't have the Stark surname. The children of Jon, Sansa and Arya will all have different surnames. They will be Stark descendants but not Starks. False. History shows that the Stark name has been carried out through the bastard son of the Lord of Winterfell's daughter when necessary. The North does what it must. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex999 Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 Adding Robb's will to the show is a terrible idea So let me get this straight Jon does not became king of the north because he earns it and he finally gets the northerners to trust him. It happens because all of sudden Robb Stark's magic will shows up out of nowhere and to add insult to injury it completely contradicts everything that the first season set up so well "Using paper as shields will get you no where " So in season 1 A peace of paper written by King Robert himself is useless and cant be used to save Ned stark life but In season 6 Im suppose to believe that A peace of paper written by the unpopular Robb Stark is all of sudden going to make the north rally behind Jon Snow and make him their king This is horrifically bad storytelling and shocked that many on here actually wanted to the show to go in that direction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Jon Snow Stark Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 36 minutes ago, CrypticWeirwood said: False. History shows that the Stark name has been carried out through the bastard son of the Lord of Winterfell's daughter when necessary. The North does what it must. Unless that happens. So if Sansa and Arya get married. Bran has no issue. Jon takes the Targaryen name. What happens? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrypticWeirwood Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 6 minutes ago, captaindargo said: Unless that happens. So if Sansa and Arya get married. Bran has no issue. Jon takes the Targaryen name. What happens? Simple: Bran names one of his nephew’s his heir and the future Stark in Winterfell, and that lad has children who do the same, et cetera et cetera for a few hundred years till Bran gets tired of being the Wizard in the Tree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Jon Snow Stark Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 Just now, CrypticWeirwood said: Simple: Bran names one of his nephew’s his heir and the future Stark in Winterfell, and that lad has children who do the same, et cetera et cetera for a few hundred years till Bran gets tired of being the Wizard in the Tree. I did not see that coming... lol. So that nephew has to change his name I dont know if his dad would ok with that. Unless that dad is Jon. Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrypticWeirwood Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 1 minute ago, captaindargo said: I did not see that coming... lol. So that nephew has to change his name I dont know if his dad would ok with that. Unless that dad is Jon. Lol Pretty sure that so long as his son gets to be Lord of Winterfell, he’ll be ok with it. :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schweiny91 Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 How is it less credibly? One could argue they dont care what his last name is... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sifth Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 11 hours ago, HallowedMarcus said: By european medieval standart rules on which the fiefs, land, and custos in Westeros are based a marrage never consumated can be set aside. Sansa is not Sansa Stark or Lannister, she is Sansa Bolton. Again, how do you prove that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xjlxking Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 5 minutes ago, sifth said: Again, how do you prove that? You can't but ideally, it's the "new" husband that will prove it. Marg tried it and she got away with it. Tommen would not have know anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HallowedMarcus Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 Westeros is based on european medieval customs. By that time great houses who ruled like grand duchies and kingdoms had somethinf called matrilineal marriages by which their children kept the woman's dynasty and name and not the husband one. Sometimes like in kingdoms the husband was a type of consorte, like in England, Scotland and Spain, and in other cases the husband ruled all of his wife's states/lands/fiefs in her stead but even so his children were not his dynasty, like in Duchies and Archduchies of the Holy German Empire, or Earls/Counts and baronies in England, Spain, Portugal and Hungary. So the Stark line goes on even if John dies without childreen through Arya Stark matrilineal marrige. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HallowedMarcus Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 11 hours ago, King Jon Stark Targaryen said: If Arya has children they will be in a different house. Same as Jon he doesn't have the Stark surname. The children of Jon, Sansa and Arya will all have different surnames. They will be Stark descendants but not Starks. Westeros is based on european medieval customs. By that time great houses who ruled like grand duchies and kingdoms had somethinf called matrilineal marriages by which their children kept the woman's dynasty and name and not the husband one. Sometimes like in kingdoms the husband was a type of consorte, like in England, Scotland and Spain, and in other cases the husband ruled all of his wife's states/lands/fiefs in her stead but even so his children were not his dynasty, like in Duchies and Archduchies of the Holy German Empire, or Earls/Counts and baronies in England, Spain, Portugal and Hungary. So the Stark line goes on with their surename even if John dies without childreen through Arya Stark matrilineal marrige. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Being Daenerys Targaryen Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 On 28/06/2016 at 5:05 PM, David Selig said: Oh, come on. If Wun Wun could break the gate so easily, so could 20 men with a battering ram. Ramsay had only a handful of men left in the castle, no way they could WF for long. Ramsey said "They don't have enough men for siege..." What do you understand by that? They killed Wun Wun with so many arrows because he's a giant. ONe single little man = one arrow... Jon Snow and his brothers of the night's watch defended the wall from thousands of Wildings... Even two other Wun Wun died at the wall... actually they died at the gates... ("Hold the gates") ... When you are in a castle, no matter how many of you remains, you have greater chance to live long than those who are outside... IMO That's why Ramsey was confident! He knew they wouldn't get in easily... Even if they did, it wouldn't have been that fast. That's why Ramsey was surprised to hear that someone was at the gate... Wun Wun breaks the gate and dies straight after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Selig Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 2 hours ago, Being Daenerys Targaryen said: Ramsey said "They don't have enough men for siege..." What do you understand by that? That Ramsay and the screenwriters are both dumbasses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maid So Fair Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 16 hours ago, King Jon Stark Targaryen said: I did not see that coming... lol. So that nephew has to change his name I dont know if his dad would ok with that. Unless that dad is Jon. Lol Why wouldn't he? That's pretty much the entire point of marrying an heiress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darksky Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 17 hours ago, Rex999 said: Adding Robb's will to the show is a terrible idea So let me get this straight Jon does not became king of the north because he earns it and he finally gets the northerners to trust him. It happens because all of sudden Robb Stark's magic will shows up out of nowhere and to add insult to injury it completely contradicts everything that the first season set up so well "Using paper as shields will get you no where " So in season 1 A peace of paper written by King Robert himself is useless and cant be used to save Ned stark life but In season 6 Im suppose to believe that A peace of paper written by the unpopular Robb Stark is all of sudden going to make the north rally behind Jon Snow and make him their king This is horrifically bad storytelling and shocked that many on here actually wanted to the show to go in that direction /thread no but really, some people are just so attached to the canon material (with a sense of entitlement) that whatever is in it is perfect and logical (no question) and any (necessary) change is deemed inferior. it's called bias. I hate it because I didn't want that to happen this way =/= it shouldn't have happened this way. That will would not work within the show canon. The Northern Lords are still peeved at the King who Lost the North (rightfully so). No mangy piece of paper would make them comply. And it'd just leave a bad taste in the mouth if they were forced to (not like it'd work, there's no one to enforce a dead King's law). Jon had to earn their loyalty, not receive it on a silver platter like Daenerys has basically everything (in the books and show). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruhail Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 King lost the north so lets go sign up with the guy who murdered our family totally better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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