Señor de la Tormenta Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 23 hours ago, Laughing Storm Reborn said: This is the same music all the time, the majority of writters make the last moments truly a character profile... Every damn time i read the Robert-Ned deathbed scene, i can´t for the life of me picture George writing that as if the dark lord was dying... this books should had been about robert kicking ass. Entire books about robert smashing others with his warhammer. then lots of whoring, hunting, and feasting. We could had an other books of his adventures being the sellsword king, while ned rules kings landing for him. george did everything wrong. and I mean it. robert is my favourite character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Señor de la Tormenta Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 fact is he didnt ordered a concrete hit on viserys, who actually had a claim and called himself king, until the targaryens started to make alliances with a dothraki warlord to take his throne. (and he had the details, through mormont) why would he mind about a bastard who wont ever know who his parents are? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melx Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 yes he would killed Jon On Tuesday, June 28, 2016 at 10:35 PM, Señor de la Tormenta said: Viserys actually had a claim but Robert only ordered a hit when the targaryens moved to forge alliances in AGOT. this simply is not true ,usurper have sent Stannis to kill all Targs on Dragonstone as soon as he took throne (time to built "few" ships was only delay ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Señor de la Tormenta Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 Just now, melx said: yes he would killed Jon this simply is not true ,usurper have sent Stannis to kill all Targs on Dragonstone as soon as he took throne (time to built "few" ships was only delay ) the fact that both targaryens stay alive for that long shows that robert didnt give a fack is not that hard for a king to get a pair of nobodys killed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melx Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 1 minute ago, Señor de la Tormenta said: the fact that both targaryens stay alive for that long shows that robert didnt give a fack is not that hard for a king to get a pair of nobodys killed. fact is that he`ve sent Stannis who failed (surprise, surprise), usurper was beggar king who borrowed money from people who were hiding Targs & coward who never set a foot in Dorne among people who were too helping Targs.... " a ### killed by a pig" sums up all who & what usurper was Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Blizzardborn Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 In hindsight Ned knew Robert would never have given the order to have Rhaenys and Aegon killed. Adding in the fact that Jon is Lyanna's child and looks like her, (plus Ned saying that her dying words were begging him to keep her baby safe) Robert might not have killed him or ordered his death. But... Somebody like Tywin would have had it done anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wolves Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 Why do people mention Tywin killing Jon. Hes to arrogant and short sighted to think a bastard of Rhaegar would matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancerman Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 Robert hates Rheagar and all Targaryens. Jon is Rheagar's son. Jon is the son of the man he hated most and women he loved. He would have been livid at his existence even if he wasn't King. With Jon alive. Targaryen loyalists would have someone to rally around as the son of the crown prince. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsc Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 Do you mean himself? In that case, no as Robert is to weak and cowardly to do his own dirty work. Instead, Robert would just get someone else to do for him with him smiling after hearing the news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Señor de la Tormenta Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 1 minute ago, Minsc said: Do you mean himself? In that case, no as Robert is to weak and cowardly to do his own dirty work. Instead, Robert would just get someone else to do for him with him smiling after hearing the news. you mean, killing a baby makes someone a non coward? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melx Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 17 minutes ago, Lady Blizzardborn said: In hindsight Ned knew Robert would never have given the order to have Rhaenys and Aegon killed. Adding in the fact that Jon is Lyanna's child and looks like her, (plus Ned saying that her dying words were begging him to keep her baby safe) Robert might not have killed him or ordered his death. But... Somebody like Tywin would have had it done anyway. wow "Robert would never have given the order" but he sure rewarded ones who did it .... not surprising from apologist of usurper and his dogs..... as for Tywin,if he wanted anybody dead ...they would be, Tywin did nothing to Dany and her brother and he would not care about Jon. Tywin did dirty work for usurper,that huge favor got him his reward,there was no pathological hate towards Targs as in Roberts case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordPathera Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 22 minutes ago, The Wolves said: Why do people mention Tywin killing Jon. Hes to arrogant and short sighted to think a bastard of Rhaegar would matter. He's arrogant, but he's not stupid. If Tywin knew that Jon was Rhaegar's bastard son, he'd view it as a potential threat to the Lannister-Baratheon hold on the throne. Remember that the 7 Kingdoms still have houses who called Robert a Usurper and that both Dorne and the Reach were Targaryen loyalists with Dorne doubly hating the Lannisters over the murders of Elia and her children. Also, the North was only loyal to the Throne because of Ned's friendship with Robert, if given the choice between Robert and Ned, most would rally to Ned. The Vale may stay out of the future war entirely since Jon Arryn would likely try to make peace and the Riverlands could go either way. Long story short, Jon's very existence would be seen as Tywin as a future threat. This is the same man who ordered Gregor Clegane and Amory Lorch to slaughter Rhaegar's trueborn children. I doubt that he'd hesitate to kill Jon. True, Jon's only Rhaegar's bastard, but that didn't stop Daemon Blackfyre and his descendants from launching five wars to take the Iron Throne. Tywin is too pragmatic and ruthless to not kill Jon now before his very existence potentially starts a war that threatens to topple his dynasty from the Iron Throne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wolves Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 Just now, LordPathera said: He's arrogant, but he's not stupid. If Tywin knew that Jon was Rhaegar's bastard son, he'd view it as a potential threat to the Lannister-Baratheon hold on the throne. Remember that the 7 Kingdoms still have houses who called Robert a Usurper and that both Dorne and the Reach were Targaryen loyalists with Dorne doubly hating the Lannisters over the murders of Elia and her children. Also, the North was only loyal to the Throne because of Ned's friendship with Robert, if given the choice between Robert and Ned, most would rally to Ned. The Vale may stay out of the future war entirely since Jon Arryn would likely try to make peace and the Riverlands could go either way. Long story short, Jon's very existence would be seen as Tywin as a future threat. This is the same man who ordered Gregor Clegane and Amory Lorch to slaughter Rhaegar's trueborn children. I doubt that he'd hesitate to kill Jon. True, Jon's only Rhaegar's bastard, but that didn't stop Daemon Blackfyre and his descendants from launching five wars to take the Iron Throne. Tywin is too pragmatic and ruthless to not kill Jon now before his very existence potentially starts a war that threatens to topple his dynasty from the Iron Throne. Tywin is too arrogant to think that a bastard would cause problems. He didn't go after Dany and Viserys for 15yrs and they have a stronger claim to that ugly chair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boarsbane Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 6 minutes ago, The Wolves said: Tywin is too arrogant to think that a bastard would cause problems. He didn't go after Dany and Viserys for 15yrs and they have a stronger claim to that ugly chair. They're inbred Targaryens, Jon is half Stark, a great house Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Royce Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 I feel he would have as a baby right after the war but when jon was older and if Ned told Robert that he has no idea of his parentage he wound not have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsc Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 34 minutes ago, Señor de la Tormenta said: you mean, killing a baby makes someone a non coward? It is less cowardly then going out and getting someone else to do your dirty work. At least then you are taking full credit for that crime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wolves Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 11 minutes ago, Boarsbane said: They're inbred Targaryens, Jon is half Stark, a great house That still wouldnt give Tywin a reason to pay attention to a bastard even if he was Rhaegar's bastard. He had more to fear from Dany and Viserys IMO who still have support in Westeros. Jon wouldn't matter even if he is half Stark which is probably the house that has little to no ambition especially with Ned in charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boarsbane Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 12 minutes ago, The Wolves said: That still wouldnt give Tywin a reason to pay attention to a bastard even if he was Rhaegar's bastard. He had more to fear from Dany and Viserys IMO who still have support in Westeros. Jon wouldn't matter even if he is half Stark which is probably the house that has little to no ambition especially with Ned in charge. Ned wasn't, Rickard was though, how is Tywin to know how Robb will be, who might I add is half Tully and Stark. Viserys and Dany were left alone but Robert was bound to deal with them eventually, if not Robert than Joffrey. Leaving Jon alive is just too much a liability Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sand11751 Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 Robert would have killed Jon. Lyanna knew it and that's why she hid her son from Robert. Ned knew it, too, and was horrified that more than a decade later, Robert's hatred of Targaryens would inspire him to murder a teenager halfway around the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nami Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 What the fuck? Robert wanted Dany dead and ordered that when he found out she was pregnant. Period. For no reason but for simply existing and being a threat to his usurped throne. There was no "alliance" between the exiled Targs and houses from Westeros. The lengths people go to make this rapist drunken buffoon look somehow a decent person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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