Ser Scot A Ellison

About Dany's Movements at the end of the episode?

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22 minutes ago, adiman83 said:

You know lizards (all lizards) can swim, right? Even dragons. We even saw them diving for fish a couple of seasons ago. And sailboats are not exactly fast and the dragons simply fly ahead. They don't have to be as slow the fleet. 

No, it's not mere days. The scriptwriters simply skip ahead. The point was not to show you how the ships travel for several months from Meereen to Westeros, it was only to show you that she's on her way. The same goes for Varys and Littlefinger. They just skip their travel and go straight to the action. Apparently the show creators were wrong. You guys are not smart enough to figure these things by yourselves. You must be spoon fed all the details.

Read above.

No they're too busy turning everything up to eleven and creating cookie cutter villians to deal with showing details like how much time has passed or explaining how Littlefinger can show up at Winterfell with the Arrynhirrim in the literal knick of time.

As to the dragons swimming and diving isn't floating.  And if they just float they get left behind.

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1 hour ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said:

No they're too busy turning everything up to eleven and creating cookie cutter villians to deal with showing details like how much time has passed or explaining how Littlefinger can show up at Winterfell with the Arrynhirrim in the literal knick of time.

As to the dragons swimming and diving isn't floating.  And if they just float they get left behind.

For crying out loud, it's not in the knick of time. And it doesn't take that long to travel the distances in the show. If we take the size of the wall as a measure (about 300 miles long), it would give us a distance of roughly 4000 miles between Meereen and Sunspear (where Varys went). Also, one of the fastest sailing ships in our world (the Cutty Sark) could do 15 knots (about 17 mph). Maybe the Game of Thrones ships are not that fast, so let's say their speed is about 10 mph (I assume they won't stop for supplies on the way). With that speed, it would take them a little over 2 weeks to reach Dorne.  

 

Dude, that's more than reasonable. So we can assume it's been roughly one, maybe two months between Varys' departure from Meereen to the last scene of the season. And Littlefinger probably took a ship to Eastwatch by the Sea and go to Molestown from there. Which would be much faster than going horseback from the Vale to the Wall.

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Dragons are mythical... If they can fly, shoot fire out of their mouths, who's to question that they can't fly for long periods of time or that they can swim 

 

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24 minutes ago, adiman83 said:

For crying out loud, it's not in the knick of time. And it doesn't take that long to travel the distances in the show. If we take the size of the wall as a measure (about 300 miles long), it would give us a distance of roughly 4000 miles between Meereen and Sunspear (where Varys went). Also, one of the fastest sailing ships in our world (the Cutty Sark) could do 15 knots (about 17 mph). Maybe the Game of Thrones ships are not that fast, so let's say their speed is about 10 mph (I assume they won't stop for supplies on the way). With that speed, it would take them a little over 2 weeks to reach Dorne.  

 

Dude, that's more than reasonable. So we can assume it's been roughly one, maybe two months between Varys' departure from Meereen to the last scene of the season. And Littlefinger probably took a ship to Eastwatch by the Sea and go to Molestown from there. Which would be much faster than going horseback from the Vale to the Wall.

It is months between the Vale and Winterfell.  Months between Mereen and Westeros. Weeks between Moat Cailan and Winterfell in good weather.  They've made the world seem like everything is half a day's journey from everything else.

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1 minute ago, xjlxking said:

Dragons are mythical... If they can fly, shoot fire out of their mouths, who's to question that they can't fly for long periods of time or that they can swim 

 

Hey, maybe they can shit candy and barf roast beef. That would be useful on Dany's trip.  But if you throw out any consistency in favor "magic lets you do anything" you can have stupid results like that.

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1 minute ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said:

It is months between the Vale and Winterfell.  Months between Mereen and Westeros. Weeks between Moat Cailan and Winterfell in good weather.  They've made the world seem like everything is half a day's journey from everything else.

They got 10 episodes a season... Do you want them to show you how Jon visited every northern house to ask for help? Do you want them to show you everything characters eat? Or every battle? 

You cut what you can and move on. It's reason to assume they cut things out and timelines aren't fully in line. 

Euron was to be introduced in season 3? That means two freaken years later you would see Theon reaching Meeren. 

This is one of the reason why they decided to show Theon being tortured, to keep him on screen while also building on a villain. 

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5 minutes ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said:

Hey, maybe they can shit candy and barf roast beef. That would be useful on Dany's trip.  But if you throw out any consistency in favor "magic lets you do anything" you can have stupid results like that.

They are not stupid. Nothing is set in stone about dragons. There are different version, flightles; those with fry, some that can talk etc

 

nothing in the show specified all the abilities the dragons have.

 

wanna talk stupid? Apparently when dragons are alive, magic works. Thats more  stupid than "dragons can fly for a long period of time"

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2 minutes ago, xjlxking said:

They are not stupid. Nothing is set in stone about dragons. There are different version, flightles; those with fry, some that can talk etc

 

nothing in the show specified all the abilities the dragons have.

 

wanna talk stupid? Apparently when dragons are alive, magic works. Thats more  stupid than "dragons can fly for a long period of time"

By "long periods of time" do you mean for months without eating?

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D&D have taken a subtle and interesting story and turned it into as show about boobs and blood.

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2 minutes ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said:

By "long periods of time" do you mean for months without eating?

Yeah, just as believable if not morso than "dragons are alive so my magic works again" 

 

and for the record they can hunt in the sea like we have seen them do in  the past. 

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Just now, xjlxking said:

Yeah, just as believable if not morso than "dragons are alive so my magic works again" 

Magic never completely died.  

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2 minutes ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said:

Magic never completely died.  

Yet it works more when they are around. That's stupid! Yet we accept it because it's from Martin. Yet, a dragon that can fly for a long period of time is totally stupid 

I'm not even going to get into the fact that there are animals out there that move without ever sleeping like sharks. 

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14 minutes ago, xjlxking said:

They are not stupid. Nothing is set in stone about dragons. There are different version, flightles; those with fry, some that can talk etc

 

nothing in the show specified all the abilities the dragons have.

 

wanna talk stupid? Apparently when dragons are alive, magic works. Thats more  stupid than "dragons can fly for a long period of time"

It's amazing to see where some people draw the line, isn't it? They're fine with giant, flying, fire breathing dinosaurs. But have the dragon fly non-stop for a couple of days and it's suddenly too much to swallow. 

10 minutes ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said:

By "long periods of time" do you mean for months without eating?

Who says they won't eat? In this very thread there was a clip from a few season ago (Dany was on her way to Astapor), showing the dragons hunting for fish (much like the pterosaurs did). Also, real birds can stay in flight for several days at a time, with little to no effort, because they use air currents to keep themselves in air. Not only that, there are certain birds (like the swifts) that can stay airborne for weeks. They even sleep while flying. If a bird can do that, a magical dragon can do it too. 

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dragons have to rest? i think they can cross the ocean without rest

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8 minutes ago, blckp said:

dragons have to rest? i think they can cross the ocean without rest

Can dragons fly forever?

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16 hours ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said:

Can dragons fly forever?

they can't? i thought they're magical

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1 minute ago, blckp said:

they can't? i thought they're magical

Sure they crap candy and vomit roast beef too.  Since "magical" means they can do anything.

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Fly forever? Probably not.

Fly for an extended period of time? Sure. Land on and take off from water? Sure.

In the end scene, the dragons are clearly messing around and are still moving substantially faster than the fleet.

Even if they stopped somewhere and took a rest, they'd be more than capable of catching up to the fleet.

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6 minutes ago, Kytheros said:

Fly forever? Probably not.

Fly for an extended period of time? Sure. Land on and take off from water? Sure.

In the end scene, the dragons are clearly messing around and are still moving substantially faster than the fleet.

Even if they stopped somewhere and took a rest, they'd be more than capable of catching up to the fleet.

That assumes they can find the fleet.

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8 minutes ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said:

That assumes they can find the fleet.

Didn't Tyrion claims that dragons were very very intelligent creatures

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