LissyTargaryen Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 Do you think Catelyn knew ? I'd like to think Ned trusted her enough to tell her. I remember her saying she found it difficult to love Jon. (I've only read through the books once, do if there is a quote that hints at her knowledge let me know) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valandil Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 No she didn't know. PoV confirmation in clash or storm, books not to hand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurid Jester Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 She definitely didn't know. If she had she probably wouldn't hate him with every fiber of her being. Which would have been suspicious. Her hatred was necessary in order to keep Jon safe and secret. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Dragon10 Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 No, Catelyn definitely did not know. The knowledge of who Jon really is was *that* dangerous, Ned couldn't even tell Catelyn. It wasn't because of a lack of trust that he didn't tell her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adiman83 Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 No, Ned told nobody. At some point she does ask him about Jon and he snaps at her (the only time he did that) and tells her Jon is his blood, that's all she needs to know and never to bring up that subject again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince of the North Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 1 minute ago, Red Dragon10 said: No, Catelyn definitely did not know. The knowledge of who Jon really is was *that* dangerous, Ned couldn't even tell Catelyn. It wasn't because of a lack of trust that he didn't tell her. Exactly! I think it may even have been said in the books that "some secrets are too dangerous to share" or something like that. But, anyway, I think anyone would be crazy not to think long and hard about sharing info with a loved one that is considered treason and puts them in danger of being executed should it be found out. Ned was protecting everyone by not telling them, not distrusting them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illinifan Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 She did not know. Cat in the books would have argued for throwing Jon out into the cold because it would have endangered her kids and blah.. blah.. inheritance. TV show Cat would have been sympathetic. There was that beautiful monologue by Cat in Season 3 about how all the ills that have befallen her family came about because she could not love a motherless child. However, Ned thought that the secret was too dangerous to tell even TV Cat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadlines? What Deadlines? Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 i'm seeing a pattern here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brightflame princess Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 I think Ned could have trusted her with the secret, maybe he should have told her. Then she would have been nicer to jon. Damn.. It's sad that catelyn and Ned are both dead now (in the show) and so she will never know that her husband was truly honorable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emie Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 Well if an afterlife actually does exist, then at least she knows now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nerevanin Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 7 hours ago, brightflame princess said: I think Ned could have trusted her with the secret, maybe he should have told her. Then she would have been nicer to jon. Maybe Ned thought that it was more convincing if Catelyn genuinly disliked Jon? Because imagine if Ned told Catelyn and since then Catelyn would be so nice to Jon because of sympathy, and one day someone would overhear how she says to him "My poor little Jonny, what a terrible fate your poor mother had to suffer..." That's not exactly something she would say about her husband's mistress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Matthis Light Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 In the show the only people to know about Jon's parentage is Ned, Howland Reed, Bran, and those two nursemaid's who I'm guessing one of them is Wylla. In the books during Ned's Fever Dream he mentions he was holding on to is sister's body until "They" came. I'm guessing "They"= Howland, and Wylla and how many nursemaids were there with Lyanna. I personally like to believe she might have treated Jon a little better had she knew his mother was Ned's little sister, but I think she would have been a more fearful and paranoid women, mainly for her kids safety. Technically Ned was committing treason by harboring a half breed Targaryen claimant to the Iron Throne. Had she knew who his real parentage was, she would have been in fear for her own children's safety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 No. That's absolutely clear. She once asked Ned about it and all he said was, "He is my blood and that is all you need know." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rory Snow Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 2 hours ago, Sir Matthis Light said: In the show the only people to know about Jon's parentage is Ned, Howland Reed, and those two nursemaid's who I'm guessing one of them is Wylla. The only other possibility would be Benjen, that is if Ned confided in him to help conspire to protect Jon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bear Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 One of the first things to happen in AGOT is Cat asking Ned about Jon's mother and Ned refusing to tell her and in fact warning her to never ask him again. If she knew he was a Targ bastard she wouldn't need to worry so much about him trying to take Winterfell. Her concern was based on him being Ned's son. If he's Lyanna's son he doesn't have the same claim that the eldest son of Ned would (even if he's a bastard). She was afraid of a Blackfyre situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Matthis Light Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 51 minutes ago, Rory Snow said: The only other possibility would be Benjen, that is if Ned confided in him to help conspire to protect Jon. Thats a tough one, IIRC Benjen was 14 when he left to join the Night's Watch after Ned came back to Winterfell with baby Jon, new wife Cat, and baby Robb. 14 is still a year shy of manhood and, still considered young by Westeros standards. I personally think Ned didn't tell his little brother, due to wanting to protect him from holding on to the burden of knowing. Like I mention above, technically the people who know/knew about Jon's real parentage, are committing treason. But Lyanna is Benjen's sister too, so maybe he told him, and Benjen is holding the burden of the promise to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chib Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 Cat would have killed Jon herself because she would never want Robert to harm her family especially her children because of Jon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illinifan Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 20 minutes ago, Chib said: Cat would have killed Jon herself because she would never want Robert to harm her family especially her children because of Jon. It depends who we are talking about - Book!Cat or TV!Cat Book!Cat was a simply awful lady who would have demanded that Ned get rid of Jon because he endangered her children. TV!Cat already regretted how she treated Jon and would probably feel great compassion toward him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chib Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 2 minutes ago, illinifan said: It depends who we are talking about - Book!Cat or TV!Cat Book!Cat was a simply awful lady who would have demanded that Ned get rid of Jon because he endangered her children. TV!Cat already regretted how she treated Jon and would probably feel great compassion toward him. Yeah Book Cat, sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LissyTargaryen Posted July 3, 2016 Author Share Posted July 3, 2016 On 01/07/2016 at 8:34 PM, adiman83 said: No, Ned told nobody. At some point she does ask him about Jon and he snaps at her (the only time he did that) and tells her Jon is his blood, that's all she needs to know and never to bring up that subject again. Oh yes, I remember that now that you mention it, Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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