khal drogon Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 Dany's war is against people who are "usurpers". Her alliance with Ironborn makes sense because their uncle Euron is an usurper. Tyrells want revenge against the Lannisters so as her. But the Dornish alliance doesn't make sense. Ellaria usurps the ruling family by killing their family members. And which other ruling family was usurped after killing their family members - the Targaryens. Sure they both want revenge against the Lannisters and Dorne brings her an army. But they are and they should be more liability than asset and they shouldn't be her allies. They are kinslaying, usurping bastards who murdered their liege who wasn't even bad and they shouldn't be in power at all. They are in the level of Ramsay and Euron and Cersei in kinslaying and they killed a man who would be her natural ally. They also murdered a child. They are everything Dany is against except their hatred for the Lannisters. And Dany wants the world to be a better place and a better world is a world without these Sand Fakes. I hope she realises what they are and feed them to Drogon. Damn, I hate Ellaria and co. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jewel Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 Agreed. I hope Dany realises this asap and puts an end to these terrible people. Man, the show messed up Dorne bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lockjaw of House Boltagon Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 Literally everything about Dorne is a problem. Why are those crazy fffeminists interested in pursuing an alliance with Dany in the first place? No one was going to attack them or challenge their rule of Dorne. I mean, after you kill the ruling prince and his heir with impunity there's nothing you can't do. The sky is the limit. They were even in somewhat good terms with the Tyrells. So it's not the Iron Throne they're after. Is it about revenge then? And against who? They already murdered Cersei's daughter, Tywin is dead, they could've easily killed Jaime but for some reason they put more effort into killing Trystane (which WTF?). They had so much revenge going around that Doran got some of it too. It's ridiculous. Is it just for pushing Cersei further down into the hole she's dug herself, is that it? That's their motivation? What a mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LatrineDiggerBrian Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 I think you're projecting the books onto the show. On the show, for her it's simply about her winning her "birth right". So I disagree that her war on the show is against all usurpers in general. There hasn't been one thing mentioned about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blckp Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 sand snakes will pull out quentyn martell, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex999 Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 Dany's war is against people who are "usurpers" In the book yes it is In the show that is not what her war is about at all and to give TV show some credit for a change They have never presented Dany as someone who is going to war because her father had his throne Usurped Show Dany knows the real truth about the mad king and she clearly understands why he lost his power in the first place. She knows he was a horrible person and did terrible things to his own people I honesty think that Show Dany would be glad that someone like the Mad king lost his power. P.S. This is sadly yet another example of book readers forgetting that the book version of these character are very different for their TV show counterparts and that leads to these characters making very different decisions The OP is right about Book Dany never going along with Ellaria because she still believes that her father was a good guy who was unjustly betrayed by usurpers. but he ends up being complete wrong about TV Dany because so knows the mad king was pure evil and has made it clear that she does not want to follow in his footstops I don't think TV Dany would have a problem with aligning with Ellaria at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancerman Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 Euron isn't a usurper either. If anything, Yara and Theon are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frejac Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 As I've seen mentioned by others in other threads, there's also the whole thing with how they murdered the new Hand of the Queen's niece, when said niece was not one of the family members Tyrion actually disliked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fattest Leech Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 Well, Dany is also aligned with Tyrion, a suspected kingslayer/kinslaying and she doesn't seem to care. And Daenerys aligns herself with Varys, who paid to have her killed. Funny enough, Tyrion has now aligned himself with the Bad Pussy Sand who killed his innocent niece and her own family. And Tyrion has aligned himself with the Tyrell's, Olenna in particular, who framed him for the aforementioned regicide. And Dany has aligned herself with Yara who is technically trying to usurp her uncle Euron who was elected. Mind you, she left Daario in charge of Meereen to make sure the new leader is an elected one. Speaking of Daario, this is the same guy who just told Dany, "fuck Meereen. Fuck the people." Dany left this guy in charge of the city. But yes, as the show has told us in seasons past, Danaerys is going against the "usurpers dogs", but now she has aligned herself with those she despises all so she can retake Weateros as the one true ruler. (Not an elected official like she left Meereen to be) adding: Dany also refers to the usurpers when she meets Yara in S6/E9. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LatrineDiggerBrian Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 10 minutes ago, The Fattest Leech said: Well, Dany is also aligned with Tyrion, a suspected kingslayer/kinslaying and she doesn't seem to care. And Daenerys aligns herself with Varys, who paid to have her killed. Funny enough, Tyrion has now aligned himself with the Bad Pussy Sand who killed his innocent niece and her own family. And Tyrion has aligned himself with the Tyrell's, Olenna in particular, who framed him for the aforementioned regicide. And Dany has aligned herself with Yara who is technically trying to usurp her uncle Euron who was elected. Mind you, she left Daario in charge of Meereen to make sure the new leader is an elected one. Speaking of Daario, this is the same guy who season 5 told Dany, "fuck Meereen. Fuck the people." Dany left this guy in charge of the city. But yes, as the show has told us in seasons past, Danaerys is going against the "usurpers dogs", but now she has aligned herself with those she despises all so she can retake Weateros as the one true ruler. (Not an elected official like she left Meereen to be) Where did it say she was leaving instructions with Daario to hold elections? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fattest Leech Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 Just now, LatrineDiggerBrian said: Where did it say she was leaving instructions with Daario to hold elections? In her break up scene with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LatrineDiggerBrian Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 Just now, The Fattest Leech said: In her break up scene with him. I don't recall it specifically saying elections though. Did I miss that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GravyFace Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 22 minutes ago, LatrineDiggerBrian said: I don't recall it specifically saying elections though. Did I miss that? She said the people were going to be free to choose their own leaders. Daario's and the Second Son's job is just to keep the peace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neds Secret Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 5 hours ago, The Fattest Leech said: Well, Dany is also aligned with Tyrion, a suspected kingslayer/kinslaying and she doesn't seem to care. And Daenerys aligns herself with Varys, who paid to have her killed. Funny enough, Tyrion has now aligned himself with the Bad Pussy Sand who killed his innocent niece and her own family. And Tyrion has aligned himself with the Tyrell's, Olenna in particular, who framed him for the aforementioned regicide. And Dany has aligned herself with Yara who is technically trying to usurp her uncle Euron who was elected. Mind you, she left Daario in charge of Meereen to make sure the new leader is an elected one. Speaking of Daario, this is the same guy who just told Dany, "fuck Meereen. Fuck the people." Dany left this guy in charge of the city. But yes, as the show has told us in seasons past, Danaerys is going against the "usurpers dogs", but now she has aligned herself with those she despises all so she can retake Weateros as the one true ruler. (Not an elected official like she left Meereen to be) adding: Dany also refers to the usurpers when she meets Yara in S6/E9. well said, 100% correct and spot on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanF Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 17 hours ago, khal drogon said: Dany's war is against people who are "usurpers". Her alliance with Ironborn makes sense because their uncle Euron is an usurper. Tyrells want revenge against the Lannisters so as her. But the Dornish alliance doesn't make sense. Ellaria usurps the ruling family by killing their family members. And which other ruling family was usurped after killing their family members - the Targaryens. Sure they both want revenge against the Lannisters and Dorne brings her an army. But they are and they should be more liability than asset and they shouldn't be her allies. They are kinslaying, usurping bastards who murdered their liege who wasn't even bad and they shouldn't be in power at all. They are in the level of Ramsay and Euron and Cersei in kinslaying and they killed a man who would be her natural ally. They also murdered a child. They are everything Dany is against except their hatred for the Lannisters. And Dany wants the world to be a better place and a better world is a world without these Sand Fakes. I hope she realises what they are and feed them to Drogon. Damn, I hate Ellaria and co. She's against people who usurped the Iron Throne from her father. I don't think she has any qualms about allying with usurpers generally, so long as they are of assistance to her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khal drogon Posted July 5, 2016 Author Share Posted July 5, 2016 38 minutes ago, SeanF said: She's against people who usurped the Iron Throne from her father. I don't think she has any qualms about allying with usurpers generally, so long as they are of assistance to her. No. Book Dany won't ally with a person like show Ellaria. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khal drogon Posted July 5, 2016 Author Share Posted July 5, 2016 5 hours ago, The Fattest Leech said: Well, Dany is also aligned with Tyrion, a suspected kingslayer/kinslaying and she doesn't seem to care. And Daenerys aligns herself with Varys, who paid to have her killed. Funny enough, Tyrion has now aligned himself with the Bad Pussy Sand who killed his innocent niece and her own family. And Tyrion has aligned himself with the Tyrell's, Olenna in particular, who framed him for the aforementioned regicide. And Dany has aligned herself with Yara who is technically trying to usurp her uncle Euron who was elected. Mind you, she left Daario in charge of Meereen to make sure the new leader is an elected one. Speaking of Daario, this is the same guy who just told Dany, "fuck Meereen. Fuck the people." Dany left this guy in charge of the city. But yes, as the show has told us in seasons past, Danaerys is going against the "usurpers dogs", but now she has aligned herself with those she despises all so she can retake Weateros as the one true ruler. (Not an elected official like she left Meereen to be) adding: Dany also refers to the usurpers when she meets Yara in S6/E9. Why are you making me hate the show even more?:( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanF Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 9 minutes ago, khal drogon said: No. Book Dany won't ally with a person like show Ellaria. I'm commenting exclusively about Show Dany who is a selfish, amoral, dynast. Book Dany is a somewhat different person. A slightly similar example is whether or not she can collaborate with the Tattered Prince. Bribing the Tattered Prince to defect would assist her immensely, but she doesn't want to pay his price - installing him as ruler of Pentos, because it would be a betrayal of Illyrio, who she owes a great deal to. If this were a storyline in the Show, Dany wouldn't hesitate for one moment to promise Pentos to the Tattered Prince. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lockjaw of House Boltagon Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 41 minutes ago, khal drogon said: No. Book Dany won't ally with a person like show Ellaria. No, she would only have sex with a person like show Ellaria. Are we forgetting that Daario betrayed his partners and suggested a Meereen Red Wedding? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trump the Builder Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 something has to go down here. the problem is that you have a lot of people coming together, but all have different reasons for wanting to join with Dany. Yara just wants to rule the iron islands. Dorne still wants revenge for what the Lannisters did to the Red Viper and Elia Martell. The Tyrell's want revenge on the Lannister's as well - but have always been trying to position themselves to take a high position in King's Landing as well. I just feel that at some point these forces are all going to collide and there will be some kind of a civil war amongst Dany's troops which devastates her forces and maybe takes out a dragon or two. There has to be some way to cull her forces - she is way too powerful and we all know this is not just going to go down the way it seems most likely too. There will be twists for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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