Eugs Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 Young Rob Baratheon is on a level strength wise with Sandor and Great John Umber though not physically as big as either. That is to say he is insanely strong for his size especially since his weapon of choice requires somebody of uncommon strength to be effective. Probably slightly stronger and bigger than Victarion in his prime although Vic is probably his closest living analogue. Substantially smaller and weaker than Gregor Clegane who is by far the biggest knight in known Westerosi history, but strong enough and skilled enough to make it a very close fight given his intangibles. He probably has much better movement skills, mastery of a giant warhammer, a champion's fighting heart, and probably substantially higher stamina by virtue of having so much less weight to move around, although the warhammer itself is a draining weapon to wield let alone fight with. Perhaps the secret to their size and strength is that the Cleganes are the first juiceheads in Westerosi history. Gregor certainly has enough uncontrollable roid rage incidents to suggest he's hitting the sauce pretty hard. Maybe the maesters have come up with a concoction that acts similarly to modern PEDs? Young Rob is pretty suspicious too come to think of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughing Storm Reborn Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 At RR time, only gregor was above in strenght... the guy is a freak (even at 17)... but in weapon skill well below Robert, that's what made him a god of war, skill and power in the highest of levels GRRM's described only someone with Robert´s own freakish strenght could wield that warhammer like a blade... the only human freak (hodor not counting) was clegane greatjon and sandor have great power, but not nearly as many mentions of it or feats compared to prime Bob, heck even is fat drunk self threw a tall, strong knight like Jaime like a ragdoll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Targaryen Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 Nobody thinking of Tormund here? Since we're mentioning all the "Giants".... If people wanna throw Hodor into this discussion it is laughable not to include the Giantsbane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dornishdragon Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 Robert was definetely one of the strongest men in Westeros at his prime, a bit smaller than Greatjon Umber and Sandor Clegane but probably a better warrior than any of them. Probably around the same height of Smalljon, Victarion Greyjoy and Brienne but stronger than the three. A truly beast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mystickristoff Posted July 11, 2016 Author Share Posted July 11, 2016 I think the finalists are Gregor Clegane and Hodor. No way to tell who was stronger, in my opinion. Wait what? So Hodor is in the same tier of strength as Robert and The Mountain? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Tsarevich Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 About Hodor, I don't think he's as strong as to be compared Mountain or Greatjon. His strength is natural, he doesn't lift or train in arms. Greatjon is described somewhere 'as tall as Hodor and half as wide'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenton Stark Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 7 hours ago, rhoynestar said: Agreed, we probably don't have enough data to compare. Do we have any knowledge of why the Cleganes are so big and strong in the current generation? I don't recall for instance Gregor's father being described as near his size. I think they are , like Breine, descendants of Duncan the Tall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-L Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 3 hours ago, dornishdragon said: Robert was definetely one of the strongest men in Westeros at his prime, a bit smaller than Greatjon Umber and Sandor Clegane but probably a better warrior than any of them. Probably around the same height of Smalljon, Victarion Greyjoy and Brienne but stronger than the three. A truly beast. Robert is slightly shorter than the Hound however there is a clear gap between him and the Greatjon who is 7ft. The smalljon is almost as tall as his father so he is defintely taller than Robert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cron Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 10 hours ago, rhoynestar said: Agreed, we probably don't have enough data to compare. Do we have any knowledge of why the Cleganes are so big and strong in the current generation? I don't recall for instance Gregor's father being described as near his size. Dunno, just good genetics, I guess. I don't recall whether Papa Clegane was big and strong or not. Maybe it's from Mama Clegane. I'm a really big sports fan, and I've heard that when some college football (American football) scouts meet high school recruits, they are more interested in meeting the mother than the father to see how big the kid might grow (not that the mother would be bigger than the father, but I've heard if the mother is proportionally larger for a woman than the father is for a man, the scouts value that a lot) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1/7 Maester Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 I think that Shagga must be pretty strong, too. Even if Shagga was obviously was not on the list which Jaime composed about the guys who are/were possibly stronger than him. I think the Hound might be a better fighter than Robert, or I just like Sandor as a person more, than Robert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BricksAndSparrows Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 I gotta say... Why? There is no way to tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oakhearts head Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 The other day there was a guy here claiming Robert was literally unstoppable and I couldn't stop giggling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughing Storm Reborn Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 3 hours ago, 1/7 Maester said: I think the Hound might be a better fighter than Robert, or I just like Sandor as a person more, than Robert. Sandor is better than fat Bob and worse than Prime Bob... Simple and practical Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughing Storm Reborn Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 47 minutes ago, Oakhearts head said: The other day there was a guy here claiming Robert was literally unstoppable and I couldn't stop giggling. No one is really... But no other knight is closer than him to being so, 4/5 in history are as close but not more based on feats and character/author quotes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Fossoway Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 I think Bob was a warrior and a great warlord. He commanded respect and was very charismatic. He used a warhammer and I suspect his war tactics were similar than those of Roderick Dustin. He rode into battle and his soldiers rode with him sharing his same bloodlust. I mean, in the Trident he managed to reach the enemy army commander and kill him. That doesn't say much wise, but him being able to break through the enemy host (which was huge, about 30.000 if I recall correctly) and aim especifically for the enemy leader sounds like he was a beast and just overrun his enemies. As for physical strenght one can only especulate. But that's going too far. We know he lost to Selmy in a tourney so at least in jousts, physical strenght is just a factor. Uthor Underleaf defeated Dunk in a blink of an eye, the latter being probably twice as strong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvengerofWinterfell Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 I dont think he was stronger than the mountain, but he's likely second on the list of strongest men in westeros. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rise Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 I think its exagerrated when they say Robert's warhammer was so heavy that Ned was unable to lift it. It would be simply too clumsy as weapon if it is that heavy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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