Bleed Rangers Blue Posted July 12, 2016 Share Posted July 12, 2016 I'm hoping we have enough source material to go on in order to complete this list: I will certainly need your guys help. All I have is Dorne and Westerlands. Westerlands: The Mountain Sandor is the only man whose not afraid of his older brother Gregor but i'd still put Gregor The Mountain Clegane as the greatest fighter of Westerlands. Dorne: Oberyn Martell Can you guys help me finish this list, for the Vale, North, Riverlands, Stormlands, and the Reach. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Morbid Posted July 12, 2016 Share Posted July 12, 2016 This list is composed of characters that were at some point alive in the timeline of ASOIAF books The Reach : Garlan Tyrell The North : Greatjon Umber or Qhorin Halfhand Vale : Lyn Corbray Riverlands : Black Walder is my guess Stormlands : Barristan Selmy These are my picks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Morbid Posted July 12, 2016 Share Posted July 12, 2016 14 minutes ago, Bleed Rangers Blue said: ----snip---- Dorne: Oberyn Martell ----snip---- I don't think Oberyn Martell would be able to defeat Areo Hotah, but we have no way of knowing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oakhearts head Posted July 12, 2016 Share Posted July 12, 2016 Purely going by the characters we know about :The North: Smalljon Umber.Riverlands: Brynden Tully.Iron Islands: Andrik the Unsmiling.The Vale: Lyn Corbray. Westerlands: Jaime Lannister/Sandor Clegane.Stormlands: Barristan Selmy. The Reach: Garlan Tyrell.Dorne: Oberyn Martell. Honorable mention to : Archibald Yronwood, Balon Swann, Black Walder Frey, Brienne of Tarth, Bronze Yohn Royce, Bryce Caron, Daemon Sand, Garth Hightower, Greatjon Umber, Gregor Clegane, Guyard Morrigen, Harras Harlaw, Hosteen Frey, Loras Tyrell, Lyle Crakehall, Mandon Moore, Parmen Crane, Qarl the Maid, Robar Royce, Rolland Storm, Victarion Greyjoy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forod Posted July 12, 2016 Share Posted July 12, 2016 North - Greatjon (Mance deserves a mention) Riverlands - Unclear, none really stand out. Probably the Blackfish over black walder/ Tytos Blackwood (little talked about but performs really well at the start of the series) westerlands - before losing his hand, Jaime is my pick. If Oberyn could beat the mountain in a fight, so too could Jaime vale - Bronze Yohn edges Lyn Corbray imo reach - Garlan Tyrell Stormlands - Barristan Selmy Dorne - Oberyn Martell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MinotaurWarrior Posted July 12, 2016 Share Posted July 12, 2016 Beyond the Wall: Mag the Mighty. The North: Wun Weg Wun Dar Wun The Riverlands: Blackfish The Vale: Lyn Corbray, maybe? Really, almost just by default. Crownlands: Ser Strong Westerlands: Lyle Crakehall Reach: Left and Right Stormlands: Brienne Dorne: Areo Hotah I listed a dead guy for Beyond the Wall because all the named fighters beyond the wall are dead. If I had to pick a living one, I guess I'd go with Hodor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Yozza Posted July 12, 2016 Share Posted July 12, 2016 I'm basing my list of the start of the first book, and giving 3 or 4 alternatives that could compete with the top fighter, IMO. The North: GreatJon Umber (Honorable mentions: SmallJon Umber, Ned Stark, Ser Rodrik Cassel) The Riverlands: Tough call: I'd say either Jason Mallister or the Blackfish (Honorable mentions: Tytos Blackwood, Black Walder Frey) The Vale: Bronze Yohn Royce (Honorable mentions: Robar Royce, Lyn Corbray, Mandon Moore) The Westerlands: Jaime Lannister (Honorable mentions: The Mountain, The Hound, Lyle Crakehall) The Crownlands: Bronn; we don't know where he's from but he spends the most time there in the books (Honorable mentions: Jacelyn Bywater, Robert Baratheon) The Reach: Garlan Tyrell (Honorable mentions: Talbert Serry, Baelor Hightower, Loras Tyrell) The Stormlands: Barristan Selmy (Honorable mentions: Balon Swann, Brienne of Tarth, Richard Horpe, Rolland Storm, Beric Dondarion) Dorne: Areo Hotah (Honorable mentions: Oberyn Martell, Daemon Sand, Anders Yronwood, Gerold Dayne) The Iron Islands: Andrik the Unsmiling (Honorable mentions: Victarion Greyjoy, Dagmer Cleftjaw, Harras Harlaw) The Night's Watch: Qhorin Halfhand (Honorable mentions: Benjen Stark, Jeor Mormont, Donal Noye) Beyond the Wall: excluding the giants, Mance Rayder (Honorable mentions: Magnar Styr, Tormund Giantsbane, Sigorn of Thenn) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Yozza Posted July 12, 2016 Share Posted July 12, 2016 3 hours ago, MinotaurWarrior said: Beyond the Wall: Mag the Mighty. The North: Wun Weg Wun Dar Wun I think it's meant to be fighter who come from each region, not who is there at this point, so Wun Wun should also be beyond the Wall. 3 hours ago, MinotaurWarrior said: Reach: Left and Right Stormlands: Brienne You think two random guards from the Reach can really compete with the Tyrell Knight who regularly duels with multiple opponents? Or the famously skilled younger brother? Or the young Talbert Serry who goes toe to toe with Vic well enough to be considered worthy of respect by one of the least respectful people in the story? And Brienne's good but is she Balon Swann/Barristan Selmy level of good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleed Rangers Blue Posted July 12, 2016 Author Share Posted July 12, 2016 Oh and for the Nights Watch, Iron Emmett (Considered the pride of Eastwatch) i'd put down as the greatest fighter. He bested Jon with ease and we all know how good a fighter Jon is. I wish we knew more about Emmett's background, where hes from and if he was born of Nobility. Barristan Selmy I'd include for the Stormlands. thank you guys all so much for your help thus far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleed Rangers Blue Posted July 12, 2016 Author Share Posted July 12, 2016 3 hours ago, MinotaurWarrior said: Beyond the Wall: Mag the Mighty. The North: Wun Weg Wun Dar Wun The Riverlands: Blackfish The Vale: Lyn Corbray, maybe? Really, almost just by default. Crownlands: Ser Strong Westerlands: Lyle Crakehall Reach: Left and Right Stormlands: Brienne Dorne: Areo Hotah I listed a dead guy for Beyond the Wall because all the named fighters beyond the wall are dead. If I had to pick a living one, I guess I'd go with Hodor? Lyle Crakehall is a renowned fighter. Jamie Lannister considers him 1 of the few who'd give Jamie a good fight. But would you still put him above the Mountain? Not sure I would. Also, Hotah I wouldn't consider a Dornishman, since hes from Norvos but he IS the Captain of Doran Martells Guard so it could work I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince of the North Posted July 12, 2016 Share Posted July 12, 2016 8 minutes ago, Bleed Rangers Blue said: Oh and for the Nights Watch, Iron Emmett (Considered the pride of Eastwatch) i'd put down as the greatest fighter. He bested Jon with ease and we all know how good a fighter Jon is. I wish we knew more about Emmett's background, where hes from and if he was born of Nobility. thank you guys all so much for your help thus far. This reminds me that Mance Rayder didn't have any trouble with Jon (he was glamored as Rattleshirt at the time) either. So Mance is a pretty good fighter but even he would have a really tough time defeating Wun Wun to take the honor of best fighter from Beyond the Wall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Yozza Posted July 12, 2016 Share Posted July 12, 2016 1 hour ago, Prince of the North said: This reminds me that Mance Rayder didn't have any trouble with Jon (he was glamored as Rattleshirt at the time) either. So Mance is a pretty good fighter but even he would have a really tough time defeating Wun Wun to take the honor of best fighter from Beyond the Wall Only if you're including the giants, but if you are then it's no question Wun Wun and Mag would win a fighting contest North of the Wall hands down. Better question is which one of them would win if they fought each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Greenseer Posted July 12, 2016 Share Posted July 12, 2016 Beyond the Wall: Wun Wun (Excluding walkers) North : Greatjon Umber Westerlands : Cleganes or prime Jaime Riverlands: Jason Mallister Vale : Bronze Yohn Royce Iron Islands : Victorian Greyjoy or Harras Harlaw Reach: Garlan Tyrell Crownlands: Robert Strong Stormlands: Barristan Dorne: Hotah or Oberyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordImp Posted July 12, 2016 Share Posted July 12, 2016 North: Greatjon Riverlands : Blackfish Vale: Lyn Corbray Stormlands : Barristan Selmy Dorne: Oberyn Martell Reach: Garlan Tyrell Westerlands: Mountain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twenty of House Goodmen Posted July 12, 2016 Share Posted July 12, 2016 Are we talking all time or the start of the series? Start of the series: The North- GreatJon Umber The Vale- Lyn Corbray. Mychel Redfort seems set to surpass him. Yohn Royce is good but likely hindered by age. Robards Royce and Mandon Moore are also notable Riverlands- Jason Mallister or Walder Rivers. Not much info to decide which for sure, but it definitely is not the Blackfish Iron Islands- Andrik the Unsmiling, its common knowledge to all the Iron born raiders Westerlands- Jaime Lannister Crownlands- With what little we know, it's probably Lothor Brune. Maybe Godry Farring depending on Winds Stormlands- Barristan is not in his prime anymore, so I'm not sure who is better between him and Brienne Reach- Garlan with Loras creeping behind very closely Dorne- We only know about Oberyn, Archibald, and Daemon Sand. I'd say Oberyn for now, but Sand or Dorkstar could suprise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MinotaurWarrior Posted July 12, 2016 Share Posted July 12, 2016 6 hours ago, Bleed Rangers Blue said: Lyle Crakehall is a renowned fighter. Jamie Lannister considers him 1 of the few who'd give Jamie a good fight. But would you still put him above the Mountain? Not sure I would. Also, Hotah I wouldn't consider a Dornishman, since hes from Norvos but he IS the Captain of Doran Martells Guard so it could work I guess. I put the mountain down for the strongest fighter in the Crownlands. Gregor and Jaime are the two contenders for best wrstetlander fighter at the start of the series, but Jaime's maimed and Gregor isn't Gregor anymore. 6 hours ago, Adam Yozza said: I think it's meant to be fighter who come from each region, not who is there at this point, so Wun Wun should also be beyond the Wall. You think two random guards from the Reach can really compete with the Tyrell Knight who regularly duels with multiple opponents? Or the famously skilled younger brother? Or the young Talbert Serry who goes toe to toe with Vic well enough to be considered worthy of respect by one of the least respectful people in the story? And Brienne's good but is she Balon Swann/Barristan Selmy level of good? Brienne was better than Loras, who was roughly equivalent to a young Jaime. There'd be no contest between her and a prime Barristan Selmy or Robert, but right now, I think she edges out the competition. Left and Right aren't random guardsmen. They're seven foot tall twins named after legendary Knights, the chosen guardians of the longest reigning queen in Westeros - the Queen of Thorns. If she thought any of her grandsons were better fighters, then she'd honor them with the opportunity to listen in on the most hilarious conversations in planetos. I think that's a fair comment on Wun Wun. So I guess then it's probably one of the Umber Jons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughing Storm Reborn Posted July 12, 2016 Share Posted July 12, 2016 The Stormlands have so much greats it isn´t even funny... Bobby, Barri, Lyonel, Fletcher Dick... even women like Brienne and the Dornish Marshes guys who kept fighting for years until Dorne came into the 7K Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tugela Posted July 12, 2016 Share Posted July 12, 2016 7 hours ago, Adam Yozza said: I'm basing my list of the start of the first book, and giving 3 or 4 alternatives that could compete with the top fighter, IMO. The North: GreatJon Umber (Honorable mentions: SmallJon Umber, Ned Stark, Ser Rodrik Cassel) The Riverlands: Tough call: I'd say either Jason Mallister or the Blackfish (Honorable mentions: Tytos Blackwood, Black Walder Frey) The Vale: Bronze Yohn Royce (Honorable mentions: Robar Royce, Lyn Corbray, Mandon Moore) The Westerlands: Jaime Lannister (Honorable mentions: The Mountain, The Hound, Lyle Crakehall) The Crownlands: Bronn; we don't know where he's from but he spends the most time there in the books (Honorable mentions: Jacelyn Bywater, Robert Baratheon) The Reach: Garlan Tyrell (Honorable mentions: Talbert Serry, Baelor Hightower, Loras Tyrell) The Stormlands: Barristan Selmy (Honorable mentions: Balon Swann, Brienne of Tarth, Richard Horpe, Rolland Storm, Beric Dondarion) Dorne: Areo Hotah (Honorable mentions: Oberyn Martell, Daemon Sand, Anders Yronwood, Gerold Dayne) The Iron Islands: Andrik the Unsmiling (Honorable mentions: Victarion Greyjoy, Dagmer Cleftjaw, Harras Harlaw) The Night's Watch: Qhorin Halfhand (Honorable mentions: Benjen Stark, Jeor Mormont, Donal Noye) Beyond the Wall: excluding the giants, Mance Rayder (Honorable mentions: Magnar Styr, Tormund Giantsbane, Sigorn of Thenn) Rhaegar was the best in the recent historical past. Better than Barristan Selmy and Arthur Dayne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Yozza Posted July 12, 2016 Share Posted July 12, 2016 34 minutes ago, MinotaurWarrior said: Brienne was better than Loras, who was roughly equivalent to a young Jaime. There'd be no contest between her and a prime Barristan Selmy or Robert, but right now, I think she edges out the competition. Left and Right aren't random guardsmen. They're seven foot tall twins named after legendary Knights, the chosen guardians of the longest reigning queen in Westeros - the Queen of Thorns. If she thought any of her grandsons were better fighters, then she'd honor them with the opportunity to listen in on the most hilarious conversations in planetos. I think that's a fair comment on Wun Wun. So I guess then it's probably one of the Umber Jons. Yes Brienne beat Loras, but it wasn't actually to do with skill. He disarms her and then she tackles him. Sheer physical strength beat Loras, just like Dunk did with Aerion. Plus, I think Loras is vastly overrated. I don't deny that he is a very skilled swordsman, but if he is equivalent to a young Jaime, then that would imply that his more skilled brother Garlan is even better than a two handed Jaime. I think someone would have picked up on this. Remember, Loras is more renowned for jousting and tournaments than one on one battle's. I may have exaggerated my low opinion on the guardsmen, but like I said above, sheer strength isn't all a great fighter needs. They could be tall and scary strong, but clumsy with a sword and armour like Dunk in Hedge Knight. They aren't I know, but we don't have any info regarding their prowess, so I put them below Garlan who regularly duels multiple opponents in training matches. Honestly I think Garlan could be the upcoming all time champion fighter in Westeros. His generations Barristan Selmy, Arthur Dayne, Jaime Lannister etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Yozza Posted July 12, 2016 Share Posted July 12, 2016 Just now, tugela said: Rhaegar was the best in the recent historical past. Better than Barristan Selmy and Arthur Dayne. Proof? Plus, I did say that I was working from the beginning of book 1, otherwise Arthur Dayne would have been my choice for Dorne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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