Lany Freelove Cassandra Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 I have been reading the information that has come out so far about the Republican platform. there are too many to pick a favorite, but here are a few outstanding ones: Quote Lawmakers should use religion when legislating. I may not mind it so much if they used my religion , but the fact that they rile against one of the worlds largest religions just kills me Quote Coal is a clean energy They obviously have a very different definition of clean energy than I do Quote conversion therapy for gays, as parents have the right to make medical decisions for their children Praying away the gay is bad, but this is much worse: what medical treatment are they advocating? Shock therapy? Anyway, I am looking forward to the entertainment the full and official platform will bring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maarsen Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 Somehow this reminds me of the part of the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy where all the useless and incompetent boobs are all collected together and sent off into space. If only life would imitate art. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sologdin Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 golgafrinchan B ark, yes! am similarly waiting for someone to rip the mask off trump to reveal the anthropophagic reptilian underneath, as in V's finale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slick Mongoose Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 Quote Coal is a clean energy What exactly counts as dirty? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maarsen Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 10 minutes ago, Slick Mongoose said: What exactly counts as dirty? When the coal's sexual preferences don't match up with the religious views of the far right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 Feed the birds... Trumpence a bag... Trumpence... Trumpence... Trumpence... a... baaaaaaaaaagggggggggg.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodRider Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 3 hours ago, maarsen said: Somehow this reminds me of the part of the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy where all the useless and incompetent boobs are all collected together and sent off into space. If only life would imitate art. Yes but, they were ultimately the foundations of humanity. And the people who would have prevented the apocalypse on their home planet. Spoiler A disease transmitted by telephone handsets, IIRC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manhole Eunuchsbane Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 22 minutes ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said: Feed the birds... Trumpence a bag... Trumpence... Trumpence... Trumpence... a... baaaaaaaaaagggggggggg.... We'll make Mexico pay for it anyway. I'm in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 1 minute ago, Manhole Eunuchsbane said: We'll make Mexico pay for it anyway. I'm in. Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Arryn Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 It's a brave new world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanteGabriel Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 That Trump-Pence logo is such a tour de force of unintentional prurient comedy -- Trump must have designed it himself, yes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueMetis Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 Quote Lawmakers should use religion when legislating. Alright! Sharia Law for everyone! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mormont Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 Trump's introduction of Pence seems to have gone as well as expected yesterday... http://www.vox.com/2016/7/16/12205878/donald-trump-mike-pence-vp-speech Quote What started as farce continued as farce. Trump emerged without Pence. He spoke, alone, at a podium adorned with Trump’s name, but not Pence’s. And then Trump proceeded to talk about himself for 28 minutes... I can tell you that he rambled, but that doesn’t do it justice. He spoke about Hillary Clinton, about himself, about his victories. He talked about crushing the Republican establishment in the primaries and talking to a buddy building plants in Mexico. He bragged about the beautiful hotel he is building in Washington, DC, and patted himself on the back for his foreign policy foresight over the years. Every five minutes or so, he seemed to remember, just for a moment, like a man trying and failing to wake from a dream, that he was there to introduce Mike Pence, and so he would say something like, "now back to Mike Pence," but then he would slip back again, and tell another anecdote about himself. I love the 'back to Mike Pence' quote, btw: http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/trumps-pence-introduction-takes-2016-even-weirder-direction Quote “Back to Mike Pence. So one of the primary reasons I chose Mike was I looked at Indiana, and I won Indiana big. Remember, Indiana was going to be the firewall. That’s where Trump was going to – they agreed I’d win New York, I’d win Pennsylvania, I’d win all these places. But Indiana was going to be the firewall. So I got to study Indiana, and I got to study New York and a lot of other places, and I saw how NAFTA, signed by Bill Clinton, has drained our manufacturing jobs, just drained us like we’ve never been drained before. NAFTA, again, signed by Bill Clinton. NAFTA is the worst economic deal in the history of our country. Manufacturing down in some states 55 percent, 60 percent. It’s a horror show, moving to Mexico, moving to other places.” 'Back to Mike Pence'. On the other hand, let's talk about the primaries, about NAFTA, about Mexico... who's Mike Pence, again? But back to the original article: Quote On Saturday morning, as Trump prepared to brag about his hotel business before introducing Pence, he briefly turned to the issue. Keep in mind he had the whole night to prepare. "So many friends in Turkey," Trump said. "Great people, amazing people. We wish them well. A lot of anguish last night, but hopefully it will all work out." 'Hopefully it will all work out'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martell Spy Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 Good write up on Pence. I didn't know that much about him, other than his crazy law. It's kind of scary that the President from the Purge could actually become Vice President. Where Is Mike Pence’s Faith? He was an outspoken evangelical. Now Trump’s VP pick hides his beliefs under a bushel. http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/07/mike_pence_s_religion_why_the_trump_vp_pick_is_quiet_about_his_beliefs.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NestorMakhnosLovechild Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 On 7/16/2016 at 8:45 AM, Lany Freelove Cassandra said: Praying away the gay is bad, but this is much worse: what medical treatment are they advocating? Shock therapy? You're misreading the structure of the argument. They're not indicating that they think other "therapies" to "cure" homosexuality should be on the table, they're simply justifying conversion therapy and rooting it into the larger and broadly accepted legal and moral principle that parents have the right to dictate medical decisions for their children. Now, a more salient question might be whether or not "conversion therapy" constitutes a legitimate medical treatment... By any serious standard of psychological treatment, I think it's fair to say the answer is "no." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mance Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 55 minutes ago, NestorMakhnosLovechild said: They're not indicating that they think other "therapies" to "cure" homosexuality should be on the table, they're simply justifying conversion therapy and rooting it into the larger and broadly accepted legal and moral principle that parents have the right to dictate medical decisions for their children. Sooo... they aren't asking for "therapies" to be on the table. They just want assurances that if they were on the table, parents would have a legal right to subject their kids to them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jo498 Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 I am not sure if they are serious standards for psychological treatments... Until about 50 (or less) years ago, "treating" homosexuality was an accepted procedure in mainstream psychology/psychiatry (or at least among a considerable fraction of psychologists). Now those treatments might have been stupid or worse, actually mistreating people with useless therapies. But why should psychologists have been so misguided back then or why should they be so much smarter now? By which standards do we know that? (I am not advocating such therapies. I just think that it is hard to argue against them referring to standards for psycho therapies because the "conversion therapies" apparently met those standards not such a long time ago.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Switchback the Second Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 I do hope most here got to witness the glory that was that Trump/Pence 60 Minutes interview. There's so much gold in there it's hard to pick a favorite. It brings up fond memories of Palin's interview with Katie Couric. Just an obvious lack of comprehension for the job and what their actual beliefs/principles are. Leslie Stahl was masterful. These goobers have no clue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueMetis Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 5 hours ago, Jo498 said: I am not sure if they are serious standards for psychological treatments... Until about 50 (or less) years ago, "treating" homosexuality was an accepted procedure in mainstream psychology/psychiatry (or at least among a considerable fraction of psychologists). Now those treatments might have been stupid or worse, actually mistreating people with useless therapies. But why should psychologists have been so misguided back then or why should they be so much smarter now? By which standards do we know that? (I am not advocating such therapies. I just think that it is hard to argue against them referring to standards for psycho therapies because the "conversion therapies" apparently met those standards not such a long time ago.) Cause science progresses dude, same reason demonic possession is no longer a valid diagnosis and exorcism is no longer a valid treatment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NestorMakhnosLovechild Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 3 hours ago, Jo498 said: I am not sure if they are serious standards for psychological treatments... Until about 50 (or less) years ago, "treating" homosexuality was an accepted procedure in mainstream psychology/psychiatry (or at least among a considerable fraction of psychologists). Now those treatments might have been stupid or worse, actually mistreating people with useless therapies. But why should psychologists have been so misguided back then or why should they be so much smarter now? By which standards do we know that? (I am not advocating such therapies. I just think that it is hard to argue against them referring to standards for psycho therapies because the "conversion therapies" apparently met those standards not such a long time ago.) The idea that there aren't any standards for something because treatment was different 50 years ago seems to be an obviously flawed way of analyzing the problem. If you look at just about any area of science or medicine, and look at what we were doing 50 years ago and compare it to what we do now, it's pretty clear that diagnosis and treatment of all sorts of medical and psychological issues evolve dramatically over that timeframe. I mean hell, we've only had cognitive behavioral therapy since really the late 1980s / early 1990s and it's become the most widely used evidence-based treatment for mental disorders. While it's obviously true at one time that homosexuality was considered a mental disorder, it's equally true that there is now essentially a consensus that homosexual behavior is a natural variation in human sexuality, which has existed in human society throughout history, and which is amply demonstrated in lots of other animals as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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