Fragile Bird Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 3 minutes ago, Triskan said: Shit just got real. CNN is reporting that when Cruz went backstage someone was so pissed that they had to be restrained. And PBS noted that Mrs.Cruz was escorted out of the stadium as the crowd started to get angry. Pence speaking. Finally, someone cracks a self-deprecating, non-vitriolic joke. Gotta give him that. And notice that several of these Republicans, and Pence just did it, spoke of admiring JFK in their youth. I guess they really think they can bring over some Sanders supporters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fragile Bird Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 A question about Pence along the same lines as Walker. How is Indiana actually doing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MerenthaClone Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 7 minutes ago, Fragile Bird said: And notice that several of these Republicans, and Pence just did it, spoke of admiring JFK in their youth. I guess they really think they can bring over some Sanders supporters. Given how many Sanders supporters were Ron Paul supporters, I think that's fairly likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalbear Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 Also, Trump has said he won't necessarily support NATO agreements if Russia attacks a nato member. http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/07/21/us/politics/donald-trump-issues.html?_r=0&referer= Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MerenthaClone Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 3 minutes ago, Dickwad Poster #3784 said: Also, Trump has said he won't necessarily support NATO agreements if Russia attacks a nato member. http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/07/21/us/politics/donald-trump-issues.html?_r=0&referer= His current campaign manager's full-time job is "Putin Propagandist." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manhole Eunuchsbane Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 50 minutes ago, TrackerNeil said: Hillary Clinton "has no spark"? What does that even mean? She's not entertaining or particularly engaging. She's not an effective storyteller. She's not funny or charming or very relatable. I'll go out of my way to listen to an Obama interview for instance. Earlier this week I listened to the Marc Maron WTF podcast that featured Obama. It was nothing earth-shattering, but it was entertaining. The man was funny, responsive, open, and ultimately interesting for the better part of an hour. She simply doesn't have the same gift for communication that some folks do. It's not something she needs to be pilloried for, it's just the simple truth. She's not someone that I'm going to go out of my way to listen to. She's just kind of boring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fragile Bird Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 I keep hearing a phrase used over and over at this convention, about giving Americans choice over how they educate their children. Is this code language for, 'We will dismantle the public school system and hand out vouchers for you to use at whatever crappy private schools get set up'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris the Blade Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 1 minute ago, Fragile Bird said: I keep hearing a phrase used over and over at this convention, about giving Americans choice over how they educate their children. Is this code language for, 'We will dismantle the public school system and hand out vouchers for you to use at whatever crappy private schools get set up'? Sounds like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanteGabriel Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 9 minutes ago, Fragile Bird said: I keep hearing a phrase used over and over at this convention, about giving Americans choice over how they educate their children. Is this code language for, 'We will dismantle the public school system and hand out vouchers for you to use at whatever crappy private schools get set up'? Yes, because the Republican dream is to privatize every public good in America. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
all swedes are racist Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 37 minutes ago, Fragile Bird said: A question about Pence along the same lines as Walker. How is Indiana actually doing? Probably better than WI, but... also, could be considered 5th worst state to live in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris the Blade Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 I totally missed Laura Ingraham's sieg heil salute. Jesus...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanteGabriel Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 I can't. This election has blown out my outrage sphincters. What is there to say about this shameless shitshow of uniformly awful people and the relentlessly vile muppet they have dug out of the bottom of the barrel of the Reagan coalition of racism, false piety, chickenhawkery, and moneymongering? Trump is the distillation of every fearful, vicious, and greedy impulse that right wing demagogues have sold us for the last couple of generations. I am sad for this country in a way I never thought I'd be. I used to always say I wasn't cynical -- I was a disappointed idealist. Fuck it, this election has turned me cynical. We are a doomed nation of spoiled children. A collection of frogs in the pan of water, turning the heat up on ourselves because it is either entertaining or profitable to do so. Fuck us, that we would allow this to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karaddin Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 3 hours ago, Dickwad Poster #3784 said: In 2008 I overestimated the power of racism in making people vote horribly. It appears I'm starting to underestimate the power of sexism. This sucks. This is what I was saying back when that piece came out which challenged the "Clinton = more electable" line, saying in a normal election it would be true, but Bernie would be better against Trump. I underestimated this effect here and was utterly shocked at the quantity and vitriol of the misogyny that came out of the woodwork and in the unashamed open over 3 years of having a woman as our PM. 41 minutes ago, Manhole Eunuchsbane said: I'll go out of my way to listen to an Obama interview for instance. Earlier this week I listened to the Marc Maron WTF podcast that featured Obama. It was nothing earth-shattering, but it was entertaining. The man was funny, responsive, open, and ultimately interesting for the better part of an hour. She simply doesn't have the same gift for communication that some folks do. It's not something she needs to be pilloried for, it's just the simple truth. She's not someone that I'm going to go out of my way to listen to. She's just kind of boring. This is hardly a comparison against the average though, Obama is utterly stand out at this kind of thing, he's both a great speaker but also very personable and conveys a sense of being personally in conversation with him when doing interviews etc. Compare Clinton to Romney or Kerry and she'd be ranked much more charismatic but for sexism IMO (I certainly rank her as such), and I'd say she's on par with other average candidates on this (as admittedly those two are below average). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manhole Eunuchsbane Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 1 minute ago, karaddin said: This is hardly a comparison against the average though, Obama is utterly stand out at this kind of thing, he's both a great speaker but also very personable and conveys a sense of being personally in conversation with him when doing interviews etc. Compare Clinton to Romney or Kerry and she'd be ranked much more charismatic but for sexism IMO (I certainly rank her as such), and I'd say she's on par with other average candidates on this (as admittedly those two are below average). Oh yeah, absolutely. Obama is like in the top 5% at this sort of thing. I would put Hillary in the same category as a Romney or a Kerry. Just not that engaging. Average is a good word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illinifan Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 I would never vote for Ted Cruz but I respect him as a villain in contrast with Trump. And as a sidenote, I have to say that I love all the GOT references that people were making on the Twitters. That was the highlight to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris the Blade Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 At the RNC: "Vote your conscience!" is considered an insult to the party's presidential nominee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Walker Texas Ranger Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 47 minutes ago, Manhole Eunuchsbane said: Oh yeah, absolutely. Obama is like in the top 5% at this sort of thing. I would put Hillary in the same category as a Romney or a Kerry. Just not that engaging. Average is a good word. Thing is, Romney and Kerry are also amazingly good at this. Have you seen the average Senator giving a speech on TV? I saw Kerry speak in person once. He was actually pretty engaging. A camera makes everyone 50% more boring. I agree Obama is in the top 5%- of all time- right up there with Churchill, Hitler, MLK, and Cicero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manhole Eunuchsbane Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 11 minutes ago, White Walker Texas Ranger said: Thing is, Romney and Kerry are also amazingly good at this. Have you seen the average Senator giving a speech on TV? I saw Kerry speak in person once. He was actually pretty engaging. A camera makes everyone 50% more boring. I agree Obama is in the top 5%- of all time- right up there with Churchill, Hitler, MLK, and Cicero. Romney is slick when it comes to the scripted stuff, but I think he fails pretty miserably when it comes to off the cuff stuff. I'd say he and Hillary are somewhat similar in that aspect. I honestly can't remember a Kerry speech, but I know I've heard a few. That pretty much tells me all I need to know. He just doesn't hold my attention. Good point regarding the speaking abilities of your average politician. I guess that sort of resets the average button a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shryke Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 3 hours ago, Dickwad Poster #3784 said: Winning It gets better: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shryke Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 Also, I noticed Altherion was still trying to defend Trump. Here, just keep sending him this next time he does it: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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