Was Daeron II really Dragonknight's son?

[The Hammer of Justice]

1 hour ago, shockwave said:

I find actually Daemon's best claim to be his descendance from Daena the Defiant and so Aegon III.

But in Jaehaerys I reign, it was decided that only men can inherit the Iron Throne, so a younger brother have precedence over a daughter (Viserys II and his lineage comes first than Daena's)

But again....what a king says, another king can unsay. This only shows how complicated inheritence laws are in the Seven Kingdoms

[Lost Melnibonean]

1 hour ago, The Hammer of Justice said:

But in Jaehaerys I reign, it was decided that only men can inherit the Iron Throne, so a younger brother have precedence over a daughter (Viserys II and his lineage comes first than Daena's)

But again....what a king says, another king can unsay. This only shows how complicated inheritence laws are in the Seven Kingdoms

I don't believe a law was passed ruling out the succession of a female heir. Rather, the council accepted the claim of a male heir in that instance, which can be cited as precedence. 

[velo-knight]

I always look at Aegon IV through the lens of Robert and the Wot5K. It's really telling that the mere rumor of bastardy helped equate Daemon and Daeron (and later Daemon's heirs) to lords who had something to gain (or regain), while the much stronger and more obvious case struggles to gain widespread acceptance when championed by a more unpopular man, despite the many signs that Westerosi lords would surely be suspicious of (the strange execution of Ned Stark, the very Lannister nature of the monarchy, Robert's well-known bastards, the sudden death of Jon Arryn and then King Robert).

There's also a fun literary inversion: fake bastardy taints Daeron and causes generations of civil war, while real and apparent bastardy barely helps Stannis at all.

On 7/23/2016 at 2:06 AM, Ser Joe of Generic Hall said:

What's funny is that Daemon's argument for Daeron's illegitimacy would actually not hurt Daeron's claim because he'd still be a full blood Targaryen bastard. 

So would Daemon, and as @shockwave pointed out, Daemon's female line - Daena - is senior to any of the male line of Viserys. It makes Daemon a very formidable claimant, regardless of Daeron's parentage.

[Dorian Martell's son]

On 7/20/2016 at 5:52 AM, Valens said:

Given how different he was from his "official father", do you think he really was Aemon's son? I think it is possible, either that or he was just much like his mother and nothing like Aegon. Naerys was obviously a noble, good hearted woman. And delicate, like Daeron was delicate physically and mentally, I mean he was bookish and not a boisterous, macho guy like his father. Dragonknight was a warrior, but he was nobler than his brother. Which wasn't that hard, but he really was noble. He sacrificed himself for Daeron I and nearly paid with his life for it.

It doesn't matter if he was Aemon's son or not. Daeron's side won, and that is all that counts.. As Varys says, "Power resides where men believe it resides. No more and no less.”
 

[Lady Blizzardborn]

Since both paternal possibilities and the mother are all full siblings, even a DNA test wouldn't help on this one.

Unless GRRM tells us, we'll never know.

[LIVIA]

On 11.01.2017 at 10:05 PM, Emie said:

I don't think Aemon was the father of Daeron II. His father was Aegon the Unworthy. The reason is simply because of how devout and religious Naerys and even Aemon were. They were both extremely loyal and honorable in the same way Ned Stark was. Aemon wouldn't forget his vows of Knighthood to father a bastard, and Naerys was so devout in her faith she wanted to become a Septa. She doesn't seem like the type of person to cheat on her husband and give birth to a bastard. Even though she clearly didn't love her husband she would have still believed in being honorable with her marriage vows. Like others have said, Aegon just started those rumors for spite because Daeron wasn't like him. 

They could have become pious and religious AFTER conceiving Daeron. On 01.04.153 they were just young and silly teenagers, who, though, reasonably considered themselves not important for the succession at all. So why couldn't they fall in love with each other and have sex? And only when they found out that his father had other plans for them, Naerys started begging him to let her become a septa, because 1) she prefer celibacy rather than sleeping with Aegon, and probably 2) she realized all the shame of the sin she commited and wanted to pray for its forgiveness; just like Aemon. And you are very smart comparing him with Ned: they both had their little secrets, and their... boys are very like each other 

P. S.: It's not quite wise, I think, to trust all that is written in TWOIAF. It is some kind of a school History textbook, full of inaccuracies, mistakes and gross lies convenient for reigning regime or just solidly established through centuries. Just remember that Cercei is Robert's "beloved queen", and that "Elia killed her children herself".

By the way, there are quite a number of such "WTF??" concerning Aegon III-Aegon IV period. Aegon killed his father because he wanted the IT from his childhood: seriously?! With King Uncle in his 30s, who had two sons and three daughters? XD Aegon disliked sleeping with Naerys: seriously? So disliked that fucked her to death (it is very interesting, in fact, when he succeded impregnating his wife: when Aemon was in Dorne, when he became king, and when Aemon was eventually killed: just a coincidence?) and didn't take another wife even after her death even being at odds with his heir? ...

 

[shockwave]

1 hour ago, LIVIA said:

They could have become pious and religious AFTER conceiving Daeron. On 01.04.153 they were just young and silly teenagers, who, though, reasonably considered themselves not important for the succession at all. So why couldn't they fall in love with each other and have sex? And only when they found out that his father had other plans for them, Naerys started begging him to let her become a septa, because 1) she prefer celibacy rather than sleeping with Aegon, and probably 2) she realized all the shame of the sin she commited and wanted to pray for its forgiveness; just like Aemon. And you are very smart comparing him with Ned: they both had their little secrets, and their... boys are very like each other 

P. S.: It's not quite wise, I think, to trust all that is written in TWOIAF. It is some kind of a school History textbook, full of inaccuracies, mistakes and gross lies convenient for reigning regime or just solidly established through centuries. Just remember that Cercei is Robert's "beloved queen", and that "Elia killed her children herself".

By the way, there are quite a number of such "WTF??" concerning Aegon III-Aegon IV period. Aegon killed his father because he wanted the IT from his childhood: seriously?! With King Uncle in his 30s, who had two sons and three daughters? XD Aegon disliked sleeping with Naerys: seriously? So disliked that fucked her to death (it is very interesting, in fact, when he succeded impregnating his wife: when Aemon was in Dorne, when he became king, and when Aemon was eventually killed: just a coincidence?) and didn't take another wife even after her death even being at odds with his heir? ...

 

the aegon III-IV and Daeron I-II thing is weird because they co-existed.

Viserys II was originally meant to be the 4th son of Aegon III or so, but the timeline didn't fit. But the naming stayed. Some earlier notes on the wikipedia also mentionned that Aegon IV grew up during the reign of Daeron I, who has younger then himself

Viserys II names his son after him brother the king. And Unworthy Aegon named his son after his cousin who is younger then himself. But the names would have worked if Viserys was aegon's son.

I wish they renamed the characters. So we could have something like "Daemon the Unworthy" and "Daeron Blackfyre" and perhaps "Aegon the Good".

[Lord Varys]

1 hour ago, LIVIA said:

They could have become pious and religious AFTER conceiving Daeron. On 01.04.153 they were just young and silly teenagers, who, though, reasonably considered themselves not important for the succession at all. So why couldn't they fall in love with each other and have sex? And only when they found out that his father had other plans for them, Naerys started begging him to let her become a septa, because 1) she prefer celibacy rather than sleeping with Aegon, and probably 2) she realized all the shame of the sin she commited and wanted to pray for its forgiveness; just like Aemon. And you are very smart comparing him with Ned: they both had their little secrets, and their... boys are very like each other 

Even if that were true, as far as we know Naerys only got pregnant after her wedding and she would have slept with both Aegon and Aemon, making it essentially impossible to determine who the father was. If Aegon had known that he wasn't the father, Aemon, Naerys, and Daeron would all have lost their heads after Aegon IV took the Iron Throne. And Daeron would certainly never have been named Prince of Dragonstone.

1 hour ago, LIVIA said:

By the way, there are quite a number of such "WTF??" concerning Aegon III-Aegon IV period. Aegon killed his father because he wanted the IT from his childhood: seriously?! With King Uncle in his 30s, who had two sons and three daughters?

That is not far-fetched. Prince Aegon originally was second in line to the Iron Throne, coming immediately after his father, Prince Viserys, while Aegon III had not yet fathered any children of his own. Only the birth of Daeron and Baelor pushed him farther and farther back in the line of succession.

1 hour ago, LIVIA said:

XD Aegon disliked sleeping with Naerys: seriously? So disliked that fucked her to death (it is very interesting, in fact, when he succeded impregnating his wife: when Aemon was in Dorne, when he became king, and when Aemon was eventually killed: just a coincidence?) and didn't take another wife even after her death even being at odds with his heir? ...

Aegon certainly liked sex very much. Naerys was his property, his little breeding mare, and seems to have enjoyed the way he could fuck with her a lot ... by fucking her. Naerys might actually have only died in a time when the Unworthy had become the fat and bloated travesty of a man he was in his last years. But that time there was little chance that he would ever take another wife.

[LIVIA]

2 hours ago, Lord Varys said:

Even if that were true, as far as we know Naerys only got pregnant after her wedding and she would have slept with both Aegon and Aemon, making it essentially impossible to determine who the father was. If Aegon had known that he wasn't the father, Aemon, Naerys, and Daeron would all have lost their heads after Aegon IV took the Iron Throne. And Daeron would certainly never have been named Prince of Dragonstone.

 

We don't know when Naerys conceived Daeron. In was neither indicated (I intentively don't spell "written") by GRRM anywhere. We don't know when she married Aegon, except for that it was in the same year she gave birth to her firstborn. 

We know that Aegon was afraid of his brother. He probably got into the same trap that Aerys II did with Jaime: Aemon was around him constantly and Aegon feared that if he went with Naerys or Daeron too far, Aemon could lose his head and use Dark Sister on him. Was Aemon himself ready for kinslaying is another question, but for Aegon it might have been obvious. Otherwise he wouldn't yield to a KG's demand to chuck his mistress out of his royal court.

The coward like Aegon the Unworthy couldn't simply arrest and execute Aemon, Naerys and Daeron. At first he apprehended his shrewd and commanding father. After Viserys perished, Aemon took his father's place. And only after Aemon's death Aegon finally started acting. He fucked Naerys to death, because it was more interesting and satisfacting for him than simply cutting off her head. At last, Daeron stayed alone, but 1) Kings of Westeros don't have the right to change the line of succession up to their will; such attempts always lead to civil wars 2) killing Daeron or sending him to the Citadel/NW was pointless, because in such case Aegon had to kill/send all his four sons too 3) Daeron had mighty allies 4) if Aegon had declared his only son and heir a bastard of his own guard, he would have been totally disgraced as a man and king and left derided by everyone.

Aegon certainly could take another wife. Serenei of Lys, to begin with. And he had 6 years to live yet: its pretty enough to sire four legitimate sons;)