Most unintelligent character in the series?

[Valens]

I'd say Jorah isn't really that intelligent-he knew slavery was prohibited in the North and Westeros and still he became a slave trader and why? Just because his high-maintenance wife could live in luxury. Pretty dumb if you ask me. Also, him spying on Daenerys and then staying with her, thinking she would never find out...kinda naive, dontcha think?

[TheDemonicStark]

14 hours ago, Ser Ronan Storm said:

Jon Arryn. He diligently managed the Seven Kingdoms for over a decade but couldn't manage his own household. The man's legacy is deliberately starting one war and obliviously starting another.

What? Explain your logic sir.

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I agree with most, Jinglebell and Mord would have to be pretty high (low?) up there.

[Valens]

39 minutes ago, TheDemonicStark said:

What? Explain your logic sir.

I wouldn't hold it against him either. How could he know Lysa was as crazy as she was? I mean, he had his hands full governing the realm, he CERTAINLY was not unintelligent! Just the opposite.

[FacelessDude]

One POV character in particular I thought was incredibly stupid and I really disliked her on my first read of the series, Sansa Stark. After reading the books for a second time my opinion of her changed. What made me dislike her at first was when she lied to cover for Joffrey after he antagonizes Arya and the butcher's boy and as a result of that Cersei has Lady killed in place of Nymeria. 

After Ned informs her and Arya of his plan to flee from King's Landing, she rushes to Cersei and tells of her father's intent. Once she did that I truly despised Sansa. But like I said after my second read through of the series I then realized my judgement of Sansa was too critical and harsh. She is a lord's daughter who has been sheltered all her life and she's very innocent, naive and gullible.

Not to mention that she has quite a bit of compassion and sympathy for others. I also like that she is beginning to learn how to play the "game of thrones" from Littlefinger. She's no longer the played, but the player.

[Walda]

On 23/07/2016 at 0:59 PM, OtherFromAnotherMother said:

Cersei may be intelligent but she has made the most unintelligent decisions in the series IMO.

Ah, I was waiting for someone to mention Cersei.

My vote for the least intelligent person in Westeros goes to whoever came up with the 'blow 3 times for white walkers, two for other enemies, one for rangers returning' - and every Lord Commander that decided the old ways were best when it came to signals and advance warning. It's a smart move for GRRM for precisely the same reason its an incredibly dumb move for the NW. Every time anyone approaches their camp, there is that dramatic moment when the horn winds and everybody stops and wonders if it will wind again. But that is just the start of the problems with this kind of signalling.

Nobody has mentioned Biter or the two-headed girl yet, either.

Identifying the most and least intelligent people in real life is problematic because, below or above a certain level (that is really not that far from average at all), intelligence doesn't matter as much as other things. Above about 120, discovering a cancer cure or winning a nobel prize in physics is more about getting the right education, getting onto the right research teams, staying motivated, doing what is relevant, holding focus, being creative, doing the work, hanging in there whatever it takes, getting off this forum and finishing your thesis, things like that.

At the other end of the spectrum, people with IQ's below about 80, the question is more about what kinds of support this individual should be getting. 80 is regarded as mildly disabled, or not even disabled, depending on where you are being assessed and how functional you are otherwise, but people with IQ's around that mark are likely to struggle at school without individual help, and struggle with changes in life - school to work, changing house, things like that. A little help can go a long way for people like this. Even the stingiest kinds of state aid assessments give up on using IQ as a criteria when it is less than 60. Moderate, severe, and profound disability is determined by the amount and type of care required.  While there is a lot that can be done to make them more autonomous and give them better quality of life, most will never be living independantly, able to earn their own living, and find themselves a new job if they are made redundant, and raise a family, and stuff like that, without a lot of help. About 2/3rds of people with intellectual disabilities need help with very basic things like eating, bathing, dressing, toileting, getting in and out of bed, and around the house, in and out of transport, and with communication. There is often related disabilities as well as the intellectual one - for instance, asthma, epilepsy, cerebral palsy. So IQ isn't that important.  A person whose mobility is severely limited by cerebral palsy, but is cognitively quite bright, might require more assistance in living than someone who has a lower IQ who can speak, move, and socialise more easily.

In GRRM's world, we don't see people with moderate or severe disabilities. Everyone can dress themselves, for instance. Or maybe Lollys and/or Jinglebell would need assistance, but thanks to those not-especially-medieval straight laced stays for noble women, and back-fastening doublets for noble men, there are bedmaids and squires to dress them whether they need them or not.

Actually, thinking about it Biter and Mord both appear poorly groomed and poorly dressed. Biter continues to have open wounds and smell  when he is a soldier, with a uniform, and access to baths; Mord's stomach isn't covered by his clothes, even though its quite cold in the sky cells, and he smells bad, and has rotten teeth. 

Mord does have enough maths to know that fifty is more than thirty. I'm not sure if he really understands the value of gold, though - he seemed pretty impressed when he got paid, and using it to fill his teeth while he was still at the Eyrie seems a smart move (although I wonder that he got such sophisticated dentistry at the Eyrie), but he seems content to remain a brutal but incompetent turnkey, not interested in heading off to Casterly Rock to claim the rest of his gold and his Lordship. Although that would be understandable if news of the Purple Wedding had arrived at the Eyrie before the time of year when servants could collect their pay and leave their masters if they chose.

Jinglebell drools, which indicates his disability is probably neurological, but it isn't a particularly good indicator of intelligence. Still, his reaction to music shows that he isn't merely hard of hearing, and his family identify him as a lack-wit - not just Lord Walder ('Less wits than a crannogman' is the sort of thing he might say of any of his brood) but Merrett ('a poor lackwit never hurt anyone').  

Hodor's intelligence seems to vary wildly -

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How many times has he groomed your horse, soaped your saddle, scoured your mail?(ACoK, Ch.50 Theon IV)

he seems to tend to the horses quite competently, and horses can be unpredictable and uncooperative sometimes, especially the high-fed hunters and war horses Theon prefers.  But then,

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One time Hodor smelled bread baking and ran to the kitchens, and Bran got such a crack that Maester Luwin had to sew up his scalp. (ACoK, Ch.16 Bran II)

It is the lack of impulse control that bothers me about this, more than the forgetting to duck. Anyone over seven foot tall is going to forget to duck occasionally, no matter how smart they are. Years of perfectly applied operant conditioning is not enough to protect their own skulls from harm, so forgetting they need to duck for the child on their back is a risk even for highly intelligent talI people (having a carrier with a little sun-shade roof can be helpful here, and can also remind them of the kid in time when they bend over a bubbler for a drink or whatever).

And naturally, a big person who works hard is going to get very hungry. But 'oh, bread, run to the kitchen' is a senseless impulse, and Hodors failure to control it seems out of character, although it is the kind of thing that people with intellectual disabilities sometimes do.

On the other hand

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Hodor jerked suddenly to his feet, almost hitting his head on the barrel-vaulted ceiling. “HODOR!” he shouted, rushing to the door. Meera pushed it open just before he reached it, and stepped through into their refuge. “Hodor, hodor,” the huge stableboy said, grinning. (ASoS, Ch.09 Bran I)

seems almost psychic - like he knew that Meera was on the other side of the door with her hands full of food, before the warg and the greenseer sensed it. He then goes out to find firewood, as Jojen bids, and comes back with some wild onions for the stew as well. Initiative, forward thinking, plant identification, he has it all going on.

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The hidden stones were slimy and slippery too; twice Hodor almost lost his footing and shouted “HODOR!” in alarm before regaining his balance.(ASoS, Ch.40 Bran III)

While ostensibly about losing balance, I think this shows Hodor is able to recover his balance on a slippery surface with a fifty or sixty pound weight on his upper back. No occipital lobe damage, then.

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“Duck down, Hodor,” Bran said, and he did, but not enough to keep Bran from hitting his head. “That hurt,” he complained. (ASoS, Ch.40 Bran III)

I guess it depends on how low the lintel was, and how big Hodor was in comparison. This time it is not likely that he has forgotten Bran is on his back - maybe his proprioception is not all it could be, or impaired because he is tired, or maybe he is stooping as much as he can, wary of tipping Bran out of the basket.

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Bran told him to go look for some big rocks. The island had no lack of those, and Hodor was able to pile them high enough to grab the crumbling edges of the hole and climb through. “Hodor,” he panted happily, grinning at all of them. (ASoS, Ch.40 Bran III)

So, Hodor is able to follow Bran's instructions about the rocks, and get through the murder hole while balancing on the rocks he piled up. So his ability to judge the distance above his head isn't so bad after all. Maybe he meant to give the sulky little prince on his back a bit of a crack when he went through the door the first time. The horses might have taught him that trick.

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“Hodor?” Hodor had put a hand over his eyes as well, only he was looking the wrong way. “Hodor?” (ASoS, Ch.40 Bran III)

Ok, so that isn't too bright. But he might have spotted something in the northwest that Bran can't see due west. If it was the wildlings, two or three miles from the village, and waist-deep in the grass, he has excellent eye-sight. But it is a long while after the man has taken shelter in the abandoned inn that he gets restless,

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striding round and round the walls and stopping to peer into the privy on every circuit (ASoS, Ch.40 Bran III) 

This also is not too bright (if he saw no more than the rest of them) or preternaturally bright (if he had figured the wildlings were headed for the village, and nicely gauged how long it would take them to get there, and kill the old man, and/or Summer, then swim like fish across the lake and crawl up the fifth story privy to them in the night).

Still, why get anxious now? Wildlings or weather, he has known it was coming since sun-down. He has borne worse weather in silence before - although he was jumpy and restless and hodoring when they were sheltering in the vault of the tumbledown tower, in the gloaming of a fine autumn day, only then they had no objections to his going out and making a noise and marking a blaze on the tree with his sword.

The only other time we have Hodor hodoring like that is when Theon kills Mikken - the bloodshed set him off. We know from the lightning (four flashes, at 8, 6,4,2, before the one directly over Queenscrown, and then, from ASoS, Ch.41 Jon V, two more - one that reveals Summer to Jon, and one that reveals Jon to Ygritte.), and Jojen's commentary, that he starts hodoring when Errok is scouting around the ruins, and spotted the old man (8 second flash).

At the 6 second flash, Jojen sees the Thenns establish a perimeter around the village.

At the 4 second flash, Hodor, Jojen and Bran are all screaming, and some of the Thenns overhear them.

Jojen thinks he saw a man pointing his spear towards the tower. Perhaps, he saw the guard warding Jon back to the village? It would take very keen sight to be able to distinguish, at night, through the oak trees, from the other side of the lake, if the guy was pointing his spear due south at the tower, or due north, at the village. I suppose it could also be a Thenn indicating that he had heard shouting from the tower. Jojen then displays implausibly good eyesight, noticing the arrivals were feeding the other guy's fire (and apparently that the other guy wasn't) in the hearth covered by the chimney, with the other cracked wall to obscure it, and most of the wildlings jostling for a warm spot in front of it, when it was offering more smoke than light anyway. How he missed a whole troop of wildlings heading to the village in the daylight, I don't know.

At the 2 second flash, on the edge of the lake, Ygritte identifies the yellow merlons, and Jon tells her it is Queenscrown. Bran wargs into Summer, who has caught and eaten one of the deer before sundown, and is lurking between the thorn and the apple tree.

The Magnar calls Jon to the apple tree to kill the old man, such a small fire, to cost a mans life. Ygritte does the deed. The Magnar says something in the old tongue.

And then there is the lighting strike direct to the Queenscrown. Bran/Summer leaps out and kills two unidentified Thenns, Big Boil (maybe) and Del.

The next lighting strike, Jon sees Summer (who he can't name, because he left Winterfell before Bran woke and named him, but he later insists to Maester Aemon that "it knew me" and mused to himself that some part of Bran might live in it, as Orell lived in his eagle) and his chance to escape, cut down one, maybe two unidentified Thenns, and fells the one trying to control the horse, and Bodger.

By the final lighting strike, Jon is on the horse, the shouts are fading behind him. It is only later that he notices the arrow in his leg, but this really the only opportunity Ygritte had to take aim, and she had no motive to shoot him before then as he did not kill anyone or make his escape until after the previous lighting strike. Summer sees Jon riding off in the rain at this point.

There might be one more flash of lightning, that isn't specifically mentioned, that enables Ygritte, or some other archer, to strike Summer as he flees. Or maybe the light of the fire was enough.

I'm wondering if Hodor was or is able to warg into Summer while he slept, that maybe Bran couldn't get into Summer because he was already 'occupied' rather than because of the pain of his wound. Probably not. The next time Hodor is described as sleeping restlessly and whimpering in his sleep, Bran wargs into him. Interestingly, he has a fit of Hodoring when he kicks Bran out, rather than going catatonic like he did at Queenscrown. When Bran wargs into Summer to find the abandoned wildling village, Hodor seems to know right away, and follow Summer at once. Bran had to return to his own body to tell the others to follow.

So, I'm not sure if this means that Hodor is hyper-perceptive, (almost as much as Jojen), or if he just had an unfortunately timed freak-out, and good instincts for what people want him to do. There seems to be something a bit magical about Hodor and Old Nan.

And do giants count, in our quest to find the least intelligent person in Westeros? Jon thought Wun Wun was half as clever as Hodor.

[Endymion I Targaryen]

9 hours ago, dariopatke said:

Just curious, what do you think Robert and Tywin did that was stupid?

Tywin being blind of Jaime and Cersei?

About Robert:

• He knew that Cersei was a bad mother and he knew that Joffrey (his heir) was a terrible person but he did nothing to make Joffrey a good man.
• He hit and humiliated Cersei publicly.
• He usually walked away from every trouble and conflict.

About Tywin:

• He overfocused on Jaime becoming his heir and neglected Tyrion's and Cersei's training in politics.He always planned for Cersei to become queen of Westeros but he never prepared her for handling such power.He admitted that Tyrion is clever, but he never gave him a position of power to prove his worth. 
• In several occasions his ways were too brutal.The Red Wedding,the murders of Elia and her children,Tysha's treatment were effective for that moment but can never be undone. Tyrion killed him finally and Martells,Targaryens,Tullys and Starks will never ally again with the Lannisters.
• He underestimated Varys and LF. He should have kept an eye on them or even execute them both.
• I don't consider his blindness about the twincest, a stupid act because he couldn't do anything even if he knew it. Cersei made it clear in Feast for Crows that she did not intend to stop her affair or bear Robert's children. 

[fenr1s]

9 minutes ago, King Endymion Targaryen said:

About Tywin:

• He overfocused on Jaime becoming his heir and neglected Tyrion's and Cersei's training in politics.He always planned for Cersei to become queen of Westeros but he never prepared her for handling such power.He admitted that Tyrion is clever, but he never gave him a position of power to prove his worth. 

I dont think Tywin was involved in the education of the twins.

He was still hand of the king during their early childhood years and only took Cersei to court when she was twelve while Jamie remained at Casterlyrock.

 At fifteen Jamie joined the Kingsguard which led to Tywin resigning and moving back to Casterlyrock.

So he only had direct contact with one of the twins for a few years and only during the late part of childhood while he was still busy running a kingdom.

 

9 minutes ago, King Endymion Targaryen said:

• In several occasions his ways were too brutal.The Red Wedding,the murders of Elia and her children,Tysha's treatment were effective for that moment but can never be undone. Tyrion killed him finally and Martells,Targaryens,Tullys and Starks will never ally again with the Lannisters.

The Red Wedding wasnt particularly brutal compared to a fieldbattle, almost all the dead were enemy soldiers and the dishonor was largely on the Freys.

 

9 minutes ago, King Endymion Targaryen said:

• He underestimated Varys and LF. He should have kept an eye on them or even execute them both.
• I don't consider his blindness about the twincest, a stupid act because he couldn't do anything even if he knew it. Cersei made it clear in Feast for Crows that she did not intend to stop her affair or bear Robert's children. 

Both Robert and Tywin keeping Varys in charge to me can only be explained by plot requirements.

It just doesnt make sense to keep such an untrustworthy person, who while serving Aerys condemned countless people to die and is of completely unverified background in such a powerful position.

As to Littlefinger, he tries very hard to be useful to the great houses and is himself of low nobility without a powerful background, that it is quiet understandable that everyone except Varys overlooks him.

 

[Lilypad]

I'm throwing Theon in the ring. Betraying the trust of Rob. Taking Winterfell (poorly). The whole Theon/Reek mess. He has not demonstrated good judgement/intelligence during the course of this series.

[TheDemonicStark]

6 hours ago, FacelessDude said:

One POV character in particular I thought was incredibly stupid and I really disliked her on my first read of the series, Sansa Stark. After reading the books for a second time my opinion of her changed. What made me dislike her at first was when she lied to cover for Joffrey after he antagonizes Arya and the butcher's boy and as a result of that Cersei has Lady killed in place of Nymeria. 

After Ned informs her and Arya of his plan to flee from King's Landing, she rushes to Cersei and tells of her father's intent. Once she did that I truly despised Sansa. But like I said after my second read through of the series I then realized my judgement of Sansa was too critical and harsh. She is a lord's daughter who has been sheltered all her life and she's very innocent, naive and gullible.

Not to mention that she has quite a bit of compassion and sympathy for others. I also like that she is beginning to learn how to play the "game of thrones" from Littlefinger. She's no longer the played, but the player.

Let us hope Littlefinger gets a rude awakening come Sansa's wedding night. When time for the bedding, preferably.

[TheDemonicStark]

Most stupid is easily a Florent, if we exclude mental illness. Any Florent really. Take your pick.

[blckp]

Jon Snow all his decisions dumb and generally he has low intellect,

Mace Tryell generally he has low intellect

Ned Stark -generally he has low intellect

Cersei - blinded by prophecy and lannister might, thus belittles others

most of ironborns and straks pretty dumb

 

 

[FacelessDude]

42 minutes ago, TheDemonicStark said:

Let us hope Littlefinger gets a rude awakening come Sansa's wedding night. When time for the bedding, preferably.

I have a feeling that Sansa is going to find out about many of Littlefinger's schemes and conspiracies. She was utterly played by him in so many ways. 

Spoiler

Littlefinger apprises Sansa on how he and the Queen of Thorns devised of Joffrey's murder by implying about the Queen of Thorns and Sansa's hairnet. But she still doesn't know of how big a role Baelish played in her father's downfall. She's probably going to find out sonner or later.

 

[Voice]

No votes for Mel or Quent!?

[PrinceHenryris]

I'm going to defend Victarrion a little bit.

Is he book smart?  I'm not even sure if can read.

Is he politically clever? Hell No!

Is he worldly?  The guy thought he could sail the Dothraki Sea.

Can he navigate?  Yes.

Can he captain a ship? Yes.

Can he lead men in battle? Yes.

Can he execute a plan (even though he might not have planned it)  Lannisport, Shield Islands, getting the Iron Fleet to Meereen, Victarrion might not be a strategist but he's definitely a solid tactician.

I'd say that Victarrion isn't necessarily stupid he's just not a student/schemer.  To me he's like those people who barely made it out of high school, but found a skill, and eventually started their own successful businesses.

[Ser Gareth]

20 hours ago, khal drogon said:

But she is Better than Ned Stark. Surely Ned is somewhere in the bottom of the list in intelligence. 

I'd say Ned lacked adaptability and wisdom rather than intelligence.  Same applies to Stannis.  His biggest downfall was trusting Littlefinger but we know from his POV he didn't really trust Littlefinger and that really it was in Catelyn's judgement he trusted.

 

Speaking of dumb, Catelyn is up there....

 

[Walda]

3 hours ago, TheDemonicStark said:

Most stupid is easily a Florent, if we exclude mental illness. Any Florent really. Take your pick.

Mental illness and intellectual disability are completely different things.

Mental illness is insanity, or having perceptions, ideas about how things work, that are radically at odds with how most people believe things are, 2+2=5 and everyone is trying to trick me into believing otherwise. Intellectual disability is delayed learning, taking longer than most people to process thoughts, 2+2=....4 (eventually). About a quarter of the population have an episode of mental illness at some time in their lives, most probably in their twenties, and recover. About 3% of the population are born or become intellectually disabled early in their lives, and live with it for the rest of their lives. 

Jinglebell has an intellectual disability, Gwynesse has a mental illness.

Ser Lymond Lychester could be either, or both. He seems to have impaired cognition, as well as compulsive thoughts:

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He was so old he did not understand their questions. No matter what was said to him, he would only smile and mutter, “I held the bridge against Ser Maynard. Red hair and a black temper, he had, but he could not move me. Six wounds I took before I killed him. Six!”(ASoS, Ch.22 Arya IV)

according to Lem,

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“Lord Lychester’s sons died in Robert’s Rebellion,” grumbled Lem. “Some on one side, some on t’other. He’s not been right in the head since." (ASoS, Ch.22 Arya IV)

Which makes it sound like he was functioning normally until grief triggered depression, obsession, and mental illness. But then, he is very old, and was probably quite old sixteen years ago. Maybe the impaired cognitive functioning that was a result of progressive Alzheimers only became apparent with the changes that Robert's Rebellion brought - breaking up his family circle and habitual ways of doing things, his judgement showing conspicuous deficits when it was suddenly unassisted by his sons, and critical for the welfare of his house, servants, and peasants. 

The six wounds, with the seventh and apparently fatal one going to Ser Maynard seems to be a parallel to Beric's six deaths, with his seventh life going to Catelyn. So maybe there is some magic mixed with the intellectual impairment and/or insanity.  

[dariopatke]

18 hours ago, Ser Ronan Storm said:

Robert was stupid in that he never mastered himself and couldn't handle conflict. All of his excesses, from drinking to whoring and everything in between served to weaken the realm and led to his own early demise at the hands of a wife who hated him. He was was stupid to give Storm's End to Renly rather than Stannis. He was stupid to allow his wife to fill King's Landing with Lannister men, to let her fill the Kingsguard with spunk lollies and he was stupid to think a man like Eddard Stark would ever have been a decent Hand.

Tywin being blind to Jaime and Cersei is pretty stupid. It's about as oblivious as Jon Arryn not knowing what his wife was. Also, Tywin's stupidity can be extended to the cruelty with which he treated Tyrion all of his life. Starting especially with what he did to Tyrion's first wife. A man can only take so much abuse before he snaps and strikes back.

I don't think Cersei killed him, getting him drunk is not the way, what if he didn't dismiss Barristan? What if he killed the boar? What if he never saw a boar? What if he got drunk and fell asleep? Too low chances for success. And she wouldn't have had him killed if Eddard never found about incest. I think Stannis was better for SE, but I can understand logic of Robert. Yes, him giving every position to Lannisters was terrible. Wrong, only ser Preston was from West (and he was considered to be good knight), Trant and Blount were Stormlanders, Moore from Vale, Oakheart from Reach and Jaime and Barristan were veterans. Eddard Stark was one of the best options for the Hand, in KL you need honest friend and Robert had only his brothers (who were at KL) and Eddard after Jon died. Tywin Lannister was good option and would manage Realm greatly, but this would be too much power to give to one family. Stannis maybe... but pre Blackwater Stannis could make huge problems as Hand to King who doesn't want to rule and only spends too much money. I would like to add naming Jaime Warden of the East, Stannis was perfect for it, imagine if Viserys attacks, he would have Eddard guarding North, Stannis Vale and Dragonstone, Robert Crownlands and Renly Stormlands, Jaime is kinda ok, but again too much power for one family and certanly isn't as good as Stannis is.

I can justify it by him not being close to his children, or being close to only one of them. Well, heir to house Lannister married a commoner, a lesson had to be recieved. Of course this is overreacted, but it was kinda necessary and even that didn't work (Shae). After that Tyrion was much worse to Tywin than Tywin was to Tyrion.

16 hours ago, Jon's Queen Consort said:

Cat and he decision to first handle her daughters to the enemy, she could claim that after what happenned to Bran she wanted them close to her but obviously her ambitions got in the way, arresting Tyrion and abandoned her children to play war.

Jaime for following Cersei.

Jon Con and following FAegon.

Agreed about Cat, but it is interesting how she makes only smart decisions after Tyrion is released.

Well, other than being extremly dangerous to bang Cersei in the middle of KL and wherever they went I don't see why is that stupid. A man was in love.

JonCon, why?

About others I couldn't agree more.

[Jon's Queen Consort]

14 minutes ago, dariopatke said:

Agreed about Cat, but it is interesting how she makes only smart decisions after Tyrion is released.

I don't agree. I don't see the smart decisions she has after Tyrion's release. She commited high treason and made Robb lose the Karstarks. She also abandoned Rickon and Bran.

15 minutes ago, dariopatke said:

Well, other than being extremly dangerous to bang Cersei in the middle of KL and wherever they went I don't see why is that stupid. A man was in love.

with his married sister. That is what makes him stupid.

16 minutes ago, dariopatke said:

JonCon, why?

Because he followed someone who he had no way of knowing if he was telling the truth. He even thinks that FAegon's eyes are not the same color with Rhaegar's eyes.

[dariopatke]

10 minutes ago, Jon's Queen Consort said:

I don't agree. I don't see the smart decisions she has after Tyrion's release. She commited high treason and made Robb lose the Karstarks. She also abandoned Rickon and Bran.

with his married sister. That is what makes him stupid.

Because he followed someone who he had no way of knowing if he was telling the truth. He even thinks that FAegon's eyes are not the same color with Rhaegar's eyes.

Abandoning Bran and Rickon was smart, he needed her more, giving command to Roose, speaking against releasing Theon, proposing Great Council to Renly and pointing that Lannisters are true enemy and she had to get Sansa and Arya because Robb had no heir. Rickard was an disobeying idiot, he had it coming.

Fair enough.

A man has to have a purpose in his life, I think it is better than fighting as a sellsword. Also I don't think this stupid, but... sentimental. He was angry at everyone for losing land, Rheagars death, Aegon losing crown,... I do not think him stupid, a man who took entire Stormlands in that short amount of time is not stupid. But I supouse we will see pretty soon is he smart or not.