mystickristoff Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 Ser Bartimus saved his life, which means he was at the battlefield, and not just at a safe distance. But how can this be when the guy is so fat that he can't even ride a horse anymore? I'm assuming he's much fatter than Boros Blount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hot Capicola Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 Presumably he wasn't as fat then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrinceHenryris Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 If we go by what Wyman himself said, he wasn't as fat and was actually a good rider. He even claims to have "won some small acclaim in the lists". While I'd guess that Wyman was always heavy, like his sons, he probably wasn't morbidly obese until later in life, possibly after injuries suffered at the trident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion of the West Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 As mentioned 10 years of peace is plenty of time to destroy your own body. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GallowsKnight Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 His sons while overweight still manage to ride and fight alongside Robb well enough. As others have said 14 years is a long time to let yourself go. We see how unfit Robert became and he was arguably one of the greatest fighters in Westeros. Wyman at his peak was probably quite the hefty man. We see this in real life, with figures like Henry VIII. He was actually quite fit and active in his youth, when he spent days hunting or jousting. Being a knight and Lord is a high intensity career. But as mentioned also above the injuries stack up. Both from wounds and probably from Osteoarthritis and other chronic impairments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StoneColdJorahMormont Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 just look at King Robert... mid age spread... lots of drink and eating.. not much exercise, I think wars/fighting were the only means of exercise they would have had back then, so in times of peace probably a lot less training and more drinking/whoring/lazing about... i doubt they went for jogs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mystickristoff Posted July 23, 2016 Author Share Posted July 23, 2016 According to the asoiaf wiki: "Wyman loved to ride horses as a boy and he won some small acclaim in the lists when he was a young man. However, he has grown too big to ride" I think this implies that he was able to do these when he was a boy. When he grew up.. he became too fat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Yozza Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 He mentions to Cat when she arrives in White Harbour that if he'd known he would see another war (Wo5K) then he'd have eaten a few less Eal's. So like mentioned above, he overdid it a bit with the food after Robert's Rebellion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mystickristoff Posted July 23, 2016 Author Share Posted July 23, 2016 Oh so he was fit during Robert's Rebellion then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Steller Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 26 minutes ago, mystickristoff said: Oh so he was fit during Robert's Rebellion then. Well, the Manderlys seem to be stocky by nature, and then bad eating habits makes it even worse as they age. It depends on your definition of 'fit', but yes, Wyman Manderly would have been perfectly able to fight during Robert's Rebellion. What I'm curious about is whether his sons fought during Robert's Rebellion as well. They seem to be just about old enough, if the wiki's estimates are correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Yozza Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 34 minutes ago, James Steller said: Well, the Manderlys seem to be stocky by nature, and then bad eating habits makes it even worse as they age. It depends on your definition of 'fit', but yes, Wyman Manderly would have been perfectly able to fight during Robert's Rebellion. What I'm curious about is whether his sons fought during Robert's Rebellion as well. They seem to be just about old enough, if the wiki's estimates are correct. I'd have said Wylis was in his late 30's and Wendel his early 30's during the Wo5K, but I could be wrong and I haven't looked at the wiki. So with those ages, Wylis probably did fight in Roberts Rebellion, or at the very least served as a squire. Wendel may have been a bit young. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floki of the Ironborn Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 6 minutes ago, Adam Yozza said: I'd have said Wylis was in his late 30's and Wendel his early 30's during the Wo5K, but I could be wrong and I haven't looked at the wiki. So with those ages, Wylis probably did fight in Roberts Rebellion, or at the very least served as a squire. Wendel may have been a bit young. According to the wiki, they're in their 40s, so they definitely would have been fighting alongside their father. Maybe even got knighted during the rebellion. And they would have also been able to fight during the Greyjoy Rebellion as well. So they'd be among the more experienced men amongst Robb's nobles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Steller Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 10 hours ago, Floki of the Ironborn said: So they'd be among the more experienced men amongst Robb's nobles. Well, to be fair, a lot of the men who served with Robb were probably fighting during Robert's Rebellion. Lords Karstark and Umber, for example. We can also assume that Maege Mormont would have been there, maybe Robin Flint and the Glovers too. Though it's basically guesswork. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lujo Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 19 hours ago, GallowsKnight said: We see this in real life, with figures like Henry VIII. He was actually quite fit and active in his youth, when he spent days hunting or jousting. Being a knight and Lord is a high intensity career. But as mentioned also above the injuries stack up. Both from wounds and probably from Osteoarthritis and other chronic impairments. It's particularly easy if you're prone towards fat, and back in the day feasting and generally eating was a great perk of being rich. Also showed status. And many athletes can tell you that it's very easy to get very fat if you keep the appetite, but lose the training regimen. 12 hours ago, James Steller said: Well, the Manderlys seem to be stocky by nature, and then bad eating habits makes it even worse as they age. The Manderly's animal motiff is the Walrus. Really, it is, mermen legends were always inspired by various seals and walruses - it's not coincidence his house symbol is a Merman. In the Adriatic the folk name of the autochtone mediterranean seal (almost extinct today) is "The-man-of-the-sea" or literally "mer-man". So I guess they grow into their Walrusdom with age? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Ravens Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 22 hours ago, mystickristoff said: Ser Bartimus saved his life, which means he was at the battlefield, and not just at a safe distance. But how can this be when the guy is so fat that he can't even ride a horse anymore? I'm assuming he's much fatter than Boros Blount. He's too fat to sit a horse now. He wasn't too fat to sit a horse sixteen years ago. I see no mystery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lannister Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 That would almost be as radical as like... Robert gaining so much weight he's too fat for his armor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nyrhex Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 He was a good rider as a boy and a young man. In 283 he would have been a bit over 40 years old. Starting to get heavy, and hell, it might even be the reason why he needed saving in the first place. His sons are about as old as he was back then, and they seem to be almost as fat as him. They can still ride, but not exactly warrior material. One son died with the leg of a chicken in his hand, the other was captured twice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Steller Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 5 hours ago, Nyrhex said: One son died with the leg of a chicken in his hand, the other was captured twice. To be fair, Roose Bolton did deliberately sabotage both the battles in which Wylis was captured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nyrhex Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 4 minutes ago, James Steller said: To be fair, Roose Bolton did deliberately sabotage both the battles in which Wylis was captured. The Green Fork was a stupid move from the get go, but it's not clear if it was also an intentional defeat. This would be an out of character risk for Roose to take, as had Tywin chose to pursue the broken Northmen, Roose might have found himself captive as well, or worse. But point taken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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