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On 2/27/2017 at 8:05 AM, red snow said:

. . .Now the thing I wanted to discuss. Was the group we saw last episode a proto Whisperers? Their behaviour was very reminiscent - the only thing missing was the zombie skin-suits. I'm wondering if the show is trying to develop them more slowly as in the comics it still felt like a bit of a jump (considering the time from the apoaclypse) for people to turn into some hive-mind group. It might be cool if Rick inadvertently creates a different threat from working with the scavengers. Maybe when they go out into the world they realise they can get more by force? The only thing that makes them seem nonwhisperers is them wanting guns.

If they aren't whisperers then the show is undermining the uniqueness of said group should they ever introduce them.

The official word is nope, they are NOT the Whisperers. They're called the "Scavengers" officially. But according to the actress who plays their leader, Jadis, on The Talking Dead she said unofficially they're called the Heapsters by the cast, a play on hipsters.

Personally, I kinda like the theory these Scavengers may eventually turn into the Whisperers post All Out War in the TV show. If the series does the time jump like the comics, then it could pan out Jadis and her crew could evolve/devolve into Whisperers. The exact origin in the comics is never given, or at least it hasn't been given as of issue #164, so it's plausible. Also, if the show is going to introduce the Whisperers eventually, I think these Scavengers are a way to ease the audience into an idea of a group that's so devolved that they start walking around in walker skins. 

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Oh, I watched "The girl with all the gifts" at the weekend. Thoroughly recommend it for fans of the zombie genre. It has a "28 days later" vibe and the fungal zombie approach merges triffids with children of the damned. Plus it's nice to get a story under 2 hours - especially with Walking Dead as a never-ending slog at times.

I never heard of that film, so I just watched the trailer, and whoa! It looks great! I'm not sure why it didn't get more attention here in the USA. Looks like it got a limited release and hit video over here with little fanfare. I'll definitely check it out.

 

On 2/27/2017 at 3:17 PM, dmc515 said:

I agree completely on the likely timeline of events unfolding.

Yeah, I thought she it least seemed curious/amused by him.

Glad you could interpret my meaning from the poor syntax I had in a few of those sentences. My guess is I either had a micro-stroke while typing or I was editing and stepped away from the keyboard and didn't proofread before I posted. Third option is I was drunk. x_X

And I agree it seemed neck-tat girl was amused by Eugene. It's that haircut. Maybe we'll get a Jon/Ygritte moment with them during All Out War.

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1 hour ago, PetyrPunkinhead said:

The official word is nope, they are NOT the Whisperers. They're called the "Scavengers" officially. But according to the actress who plays their leader, Jadis, on The Talking Dead she said unofficially they're called the Heapsters by the cast, a play on hipsters.

Personally, I kinda like the theory these Scavengers may eventually turn into the Whisperers post All Out War in the TV show. If the series does the time jump like the comics, then it could pan out Jadis and her crew could evolve/devolve into Whisperers. The exact origin in the comics is never given, or at least it hasn't been given as of issue #164, so it's plausible. Also, if the show is going to introduce the Whisperers eventually, I think these Scavengers are a way to ease the audience into an idea of a group that's so devolved that they start walking around in walker skins. 

I never heard of that film, so I just watched the trailer, and whoa! It looks great! I'm not sure why it didn't get more attention here in the USA. Looks like it got a limited release and hit video over here with little fanfare. I'll definitely check it out.

 

Ok so they may be a stepping stone in terms of seeing groups of people start to act more weird and when/if the show does a time-jump the audience might be more on board with it. Still, I'd say such weird groups are more likely to develop from a single community - maybe they'll split the difference and have some of the "heapsters" (quite like that name) become the Whisperers. I mean there can't be that many humans who can do the Michael Jackson psychic backing dancer routines. Which that weird encircling felt like the other week.

The UK release was either limited or quite quiet too. But I'll be interested to see what you thought about "Girl with all the gifts". It was a pleasant surprise for me. I think when films like this go largely unnoticed it makes me appreciate how Netflix are moving more into the realm of film. I think these kinds of films would probably do better with a push premiering online rather than at a handful of cinemas.

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On 28/02/2017 at 3:05 AM, red snow said:

Oh, I watched "The girl with all the gifts" at the weekend. Thoroughly recommend it for fans of the zombie genre. It has a "28 days later" vibe and the fungal zombie approach merges triffids with children of the damned. Plus it's nice to get a story under 2 hours - especially with Walking Dead as a never-ending slog at times.

Sounds a lot like The Last of Us, especially if there is a fungus involved.

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11 minutes ago, red snow said:

I've had that game for over a year now and I've still got to get around to playing it.

PS4 version I hope.

If you do get around to playing it, remember that 'The Last of Us' PRE-dates 'The Girl with all the Gifts' (movie and book), so if there is anything that looks like copying it's the move/book that copied the game. Though the game copied, somewhat, 28 days later with the "z's" being fast runners and not shamblers, and not really being z's (i.e. not undead).

And if you don't think you will ever get around to playing it, there are a couple of pretty good "The Last of Us - the movie" youtube videos with all the cutscenes, important ingame dialogue, and some connecting gameplay. I think one of the 6hr videos is probably the best. But if you are going to watch 6hrs of game video, you might as well just play the game on the easiest difficulty setting and finish it in 10 hours or less and have a better over all experience.

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3 hours ago, PetyrPunkinhead said:

Glad you could interpret my meaning from the poor syntax I had in a few of those sentences. My guess is I either had a micro-stroke while typing or I was editing and stepped away from the keyboard and didn't proofread before I posted. Third option is I was drunk. x_X

Oh, your post wasn't that bad at all - you should see some of the undergrad essays I grade.  And posting drunk is always encouraged.

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9 hours ago, red snow said:

Ok so they may be a stepping stone in terms of seeing groups of people start to act more weird and when/if the show does a time-jump the audience might be more on board with it. Still, I'd say such weird groups are more likely to develop from a single community - maybe they'll split the difference and have some of the "heapsters" (quite like that name) become the Whisperers. I mean there can't be that many humans who can do the Michael Jackson psychic backing dancer routines. Which that weird encircling felt like the other week.

Hey, dancers are limber and athletic, they could've survived. Oh, wouldn't that be great if the Heapsters turned out to be a dance company or theater troupe that survived together in that dump? All the silence and "up-up-up" speak could be just a performance they're putting on.

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The UK release was either limited or quite quiet too. But I'll be interested to see what you thought about "Girl with all the gifts". It was a pleasant surprise for me. I think when films like this go largely unnoticed it makes me appreciate how Netflix are moving more into the realm of film. I think these kinds of films would probably do better with a push premiering online rather than at a handful of cinemas.

Watched this tonight and it was pretty damn great. Not Train to Busan great, but still pretty damn great. I highly recommend it to an zombie genre fans. It's got an interesting ending. You'll likely see it coming, but the very last scene is still pretty great. Thanks for the recommendation @RedSnow!

7 hours ago, dmc515 said:

Oh, your post wasn't that bad at all - you should see some of the undergrad essays I grade.  And posting drunk is always encouraged.

Ha! I should've known you were a fellow teacher by the ease with which you interpreted my true intent despite the poor (possibly drunken) syntax. 

5 hours ago, The Anti-Targ said:

I think I like the Whisperer's MO. Once you get over the smell seems like a really safe way to exist in that world

Well, Rick and co. used the same basic tactics to maneuver amongst walkers as early as S1. So their methods aren't original to the comic, but their society is quite awful--loss of any personal identity, rampant rape, constant aggression and violence to hold your place int he pack. It's very similar to the Saviors but, like you mentioned, with a terrible wardrobe and without Atari and pickles.

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23 minutes ago, PetyrPunkinhead said:

Hey, dancers are limber and athletic, they could've survived. Oh, wouldn't that be great if the Heapsters turned out to be a dance company or theater troupe that survived together in that dump? All the silence and "up-up-up" speak could be just a performance they're putting on.

Watched this tonight and it was pretty damn great. Not Train to Busan great, but still pretty damn great. I highly recommend it to an zombie genre fans. It's got an interesting ending. You'll likely see it coming, but the very last scene is still pretty great. Thanks for the recommendation @RedSnow!

 

That would actually be a pretty funny explanation of their co-ordinated movement. I guess it also gets pretty boring living in a dump too - have to make your own entertainment. It was pretty clear from their shrike-zombie that they were working on a stage version of "hyperion" too.

Glad you enjoyed the film!

9 hours ago, The Anti-Targ said:

PS4 version I hope.

If you do get around to playing it, remember that 'The Last of Us' PRE-dates 'The Girl with all the Gifts' (movie and book), so if there is anything that looks like copying it's the move/book that copied the game. Though the game copied, somewhat, 28 days later with the "z's" being fast runners and not shamblers, and not really being z's (i.e. not undead).

And if you don't think you will ever get around to playing it, there are a couple of pretty good "The Last of Us - the movie" youtube videos with all the cutscenes, important ingame dialogue, and some connecting gameplay. I think one of the 6hr videos is probably the best. But if you are going to watch 6hrs of game video, you might as well just play the game on the easiest difficulty setting and finish it in 10 hours or less and have a better over all experience.

I'm just waiting for a week or two where I know I can get away with doing nothing but play the game. I'm pretty bad when I get sucked into games - especially those with a strong narrative.

The similarities in concept between "Girl" and "last of us" must be annoying for the people making the "last of us" movie. Although given hardly anyone has seen "Girl" it shouldn't present an issue. I guess the actual story is going to be different even if the concept is similar eg "World War Z" vs "28 days later".

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Well count me as shocked! An episode focusing solely on Dwight and Eugene and it was possibly the best "focused" episode since that one where the crazy girl killed her sister.

It's odd how characters can click in a certain situation and that deinitely seems to be the case with Eugene. To be honest, I find him creepy/annoying but he really worked amongst the saviours. It was clear he was bullshitting a lot of the time (I beleive his memory and him being a self taught genuis - none of the PhD and goverment stuff). It was sort of endearing how he wouldn't take advantage of the harem, despite his previous pervy behaviour.

In many ways Eugene could thrive here, he's fully appreciated and he's respected (even if said respect is via Negan). There's only two things (besides the comics) that has me thinking he's playing a long game. 1) Negan killed Abraham and Eugene was loyal to the guy 2) he knows he isn't free and 3) I think Eugene was smart enough to suspect the pill plot could have been an elaborate test set up by Negan.

Killing the other doctor was a bit reckless and stupid of Negan if he considers Eugene the "spare" one. Eugene has basic medical skills but he isn't a doctor. Although that's just another aspect of Negan's overconfidence - same with his hubris thinking Dwight must be loyal.

As for Dwight he's becoming an interesting character who's obviously conflicted with his situation. The two characters complemented each other quite well and perhaps hinted at a team-up down the road.

I'm still at a loss why the episode was good the director has handled a decent episode in the past (the one where Jesus is introduced) and the writer is a mixed bag indeed - his last episode was the Tara and the amazons episode (I didn't like it) and then it was way back in season 2 the car cash Lori episode and the rather good "Daryl hallucinating on his own in the woods" episode. I guess sometimes the show just gets lucky. Shame it doesn't happen more often.

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On 28/02/2017 at 11:28 PM, red snow said:

The UK release was either limited or quite quiet too. But I'll be interested to see what you thought about "Girl with all the gifts". It was a pleasant surprise for me. I think when films like this go largely unnoticed it makes me appreciate how Netflix are moving more into the realm of film. I think these kinds of films would probably do better with a push premiering online rather than at a handful of cinemas.

It was definitely limited but I don't know about quiet. I read quite a lot of chatter about the book getting made into a film so I made sure I read it in time to see the film when it got released in September.

16 hours ago, red snow said:

Killing the other doctor was a bit reckless and stupid of Negan if he considers Eugene the "spare" one. Eugene has basic medical skills but he isn't a doctor. Although that's just another aspect of Negan's overconfidence - same with his hubris thinking Dwight must be loyal.

For real. I did lol at Eugene's: 'I have three PhD's AND a doctorate'. Was he trying to be deliberately dim so that people would know he was lying?

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I hope the Scavengers are NOT The Whisperers.  The Scavengers speak like morons.  Like Tonto on the old Lone Ranger or Tarzan.  IT MAKES NO SENSE why Americans would suddenly speak that near monosyllabic babble  less than two years after society breaks down. None.  It's one of the most painful choices Gimple and Kirkland have made.  

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1 hour ago, Isis said:

It was definitely limited but I don't know about quiet. I read quite a lot of chatter about the book getting made into a film so I made sure I read it in time to see the film when it got released in September.

For real. I did lol at Eugene's: 'I have three PhD's AND a doctorate'. Was he trying to be deliberately dim so that people would know he was lying?

It could have been my general ignorance - i should really pick up the Empire subscription I could get with my bank account as whenever I read my brother's copy I get a more general hit of movie news than the computer game/comic newsites i get stuff from.

I also loved that line - i do get the impression that he almost challenges people to call out his bullshit. An added bonus is that's how TV scientists usually are with skilz in every known scientific discipline known. I still think Eugene would have pointed out to Hershel the vet and co at the prison that antibiotics don't work on viruses too.

I think he is a great interpretation of someone who is bright and has "internetsmarts". Although he does seem good at DIY chemistry and engineering. Probably a bit like my dad - from a mindset where training as a joiner gave him license to be a DIY electrician and a mechanic. I shudder at what he could achieve if he knew how to get youtube videos. It's probably the case that it's a relatively new and surprising thing for us to specialise in ONE thing and be almost useless in most others.

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On 3/2/2017 at 10:19 AM, red snow said:

.I think he is a great interpretation of someone who is bright and has "internetsmarts". Although he does seem good at DIY chemistry and engineering. Probably a bit like my dad - from a mindset where training as a joiner gave him license to be a DIY electrician and a mechanic. I shudder at what he could achieve if he knew how to get youtube videos. It's probably the case that it's a relatively new and surprising thing for us to specialise in ONE thing and be almost useless in most others.

What I think is interesting about these themes, (our own Dark Ages), is that it seems to take people who under the guise of "civilization" might be only ordinary, (Glen working for the family "biz)," Negan as a used-car salesman/jym teacher, Daryl, a dreg of society, and a thug, Shane, who very likely would have probably ended up on the "dirty cop" side of his profession at some point, become movers and shakers post-apocalypse.

It's almost as if the apocalypse brings out the best or the worst in people, and at this point of the apocalypse, almost EVERY ONE is on par with one another as the baddest of the bad.

 

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5 hours ago, Alia of the knife said:

What I think is interesting about these themes, (our own Dark Ages), is that it seems to take people who under the guise of "civilization" might be only ordinary, (Glen working for the family "biz)," Negan as a used-car salesman/jym teacher, Daryl, a dreg of society, and a thug, Shane, who very likely would have probably ended up on the "dirty cop" side of his profession at some point, become movers and shakers post-apocalypse.

It's almost as if the apocalypse brings out the best or the worst in people, and at this point of the apocalypse, almost EVERY ONE is on par with one another as the baddest of the bad.

 

It's one of the things I enjoy about the genre - that whole turning things upside down and seeing how some thrive and others falter. It's one of the things I enjoy in war films too eg Saving Private Ryan where you discover the most badass people come from the most ordinary of places/professions. I think it's true that many people only discover that aspect of themselves when push comes to shove. Although I guess some personality types will tend to come out naturally better eg car salesman and jobs that are essentially about "landing the deal" - if anything society does hold some people back for the better of the group. Thankfully!

The leader of the hilltop is a good example of someone who was powerful beforehand and is a bit useless now. Yet his community still look up to him because they want some semblance of order.

I also hope we get to the part in the story where we get order from chaos. When David Milch made "Deadwood" that was his theme a show about bad people actually creating order because once you are at the top life is easier to go legit and society can be a weird by product of that. He apparently wanted to set the show at the end of the roman republic but "Rome" beat him to production. I guess there's elements of that with the "saviours" in that it seems to work as long as you know your place and avoid Negan's bullying.

 

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I have to tell ya, I don't know if I would have realized that Tara was struggling with whether or not to tell the group about the other group she found without her having a super clunky one-sided expository conversation with Judith.  :rolleyes:

Attempts to make small groups of walkers a serious threat are also super clunky.  These things are slow moving, they are dumb, they are easy to dispatch, our group has been doing it for years now.  No one is fooled when they pretend the cast is overwhelmed and in danger from basic zombie killing expeditions.   Just get that shit done.  Adding in comical mishaps like the car not having breaks and the zombie with a gun is sufficient to show that the zombies continue to be a threat.  But more like the way the flu continues to be a threat.  

So basically one or both of the Sasha and Rosita duo are going to die.  Just swell.  Because we know that the show can't allow anyone but Rick be the winner.  

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8 hours ago, red snow said:

It's one of the things I enjoy about the genre - that whole turning things upside down and seeing how some thrive and others falter. It's one of the things I enjoy in war films too eg Saving Private Ryan where you discover the most badass people come from the most ordinary of places/professions. I think it's true that many people only discover that aspect of themselves when push comes to shove. Although I guess some personality types will tend to come out naturally better eg car salesman and jobs that are essentially about "landing the deal" - if anything society does hold some people back for the better of the group. Thankfully!

The leader of the hilltop is a good example of someone who was powerful beforehand and is a bit useless now. Yet his community still look up to him because they want some semblance of order.

I also hope we get to the part in the story where we get order from chaos. When David Milch made "Deadwood" that was his theme a show about bad people actually creating order because once you are at the top life is easier to go legit and society can be a weird by product of that. He apparently wanted to set the show at the end of the roman republic but "Rome" beat him to production. I guess there's elements of that with the "saviours" in that it seems to work as long as you know your place and avoid Negan's bullying.

 

"I also hope we get to the part in the story where we get order from chaos. When David Milch made "Deadwood" that was his theme a show about bad people actually creating order because once you are at the top life is easier to go legit and society can be a weird by product of that."

And this is why I make the analogy of the ZA being a metaphor for our own Dark Ages.

I think that when you watch the process of rebuilding and the various people involved, you see this order out chaos emerging, and though Negan is brutal, "civilization" seems to be his endgame.

I think it was said of Ghengis Khan that he admired knowledge and took those learned members of the cultures he conquered to bring knowledge to his own people, kind of the way Negan is doing with Eugene.

And you also see the same thing with the other groups in that each one tries bring about some kind of "civilization."

For me? The group that Daryl fell in with briefly, the "Claimers?" were the worst.

Maybe it was the horrific prospect of Carl almost getting raped, but even their thing was having "a code" of honesty, or never lying.

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Anyone know why the dead soldiers were still carrying their rifles on their shoulders? Unless some bio-chemical weapon killed them all the same time very quickly, there is no other reason leading the deaths of those people where they still carried their rifles like that.

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