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The Walking Dead Season 7 (Comic Spoilers) What? Was the joke that bad?

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I'll echo the praise for JDM. He was great. Possibly the best casting the show has had to date. 

The episode was tense af. I really thought they were switching Rick losing a hand to Carl for a minute. Andrew Lincoln was on his game during that scene too.

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I don't know where the non-comic thread is, but don't really care anymore. I agree with others that this episode was good on its own, but remain apprehensive about this show delivering anything substantial besides the always spinning roulette of characters.

I was fairly determined to give this show up, so the only thing that this episode did for me is re-consider that. 

And yes, I also agree about JDM.

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Great episode. Glenn trying to speak to Maggie while brain dead and eye hanging out was gut wrenching. Abraham did indeed take it "like a champ" and gave a very Abraham comment before going out. 

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55 minutes ago, Corvinus said:

I don't know where the non-comic thread is, but don't really care anymore. I agree with others that this episode was good on its own, but remain apprehensive about this show delivering anything substantial besides the always spinning roulette of characters.

I was fairly determined to give this show up, so the only thing that this episode did for me is re-consider that. 

Agreed. Walking Dead usually always has strong openings, I fully expect a mostly mediocre season of tediousness to follow. 

Tonight's was decent, Thought Rick imagining everyone getting Lucilled and the dinner with Glen and his baby and everyone were pretty cheesy though. 

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Honestly, after watching the premiere, I feel empty. I went from shock and horror to feeling empty. I wasn't expecting them to show the full blown gore and brutality of that scene.

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that was just exploitative torture porn

Negan is a stupid cartoon villain. His psychotic bemusement did nothing for me. I suppose people like him may exist, but they certainly wouldn't have a following.

 

 

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 Pretty good season opener I thought.

I thought it was a very graphic episode but it seemed pretty central to the plot and its the apocalypse so I fealt the episode stayed true to the bigger picture. I was pleased that they sacrificed Glen and Abraham instead of my "untouchables" which were Rick, Carl, Daryl, Rosita and Michonne. As long as it wasnt going to be one of my faves I was going to be happy, although I was pulling for Neegan to pick Eugene.

Both the Rick and Neegan roles were spot on for the episode, looking forward to the rest of the season.

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6 hours ago, Commodore said:

Negan is a stupid cartoon villain. His psychotic bemusement did nothing for me. I suppose people like him may exist, but they certainly wouldn't have a following.

I kept thinking that during the scene...those 70ish of his "followers" standing around watching this play out - How did that many people get to a place where this was "acceptable"?  I can't imagine how Negan garnered a following.

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I wish to god they'd just finished off last season last season, and started this season with a character-building Negan-flashback like we had with Morgan. It'd feel a lot less twirly-mustache villain. The scene worked better when it was a shock because of the fast-paced timing. That's all lost when you drag Negan out over two seasons, fake-kill Glen as foreshadowing, and then drag the actual deaths out over the break. I can always catch up, but I only have time for one show Sunday night & I'd rather it be Westworld. 

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I didn't even watch the episode yet but I'm glad Spoiling Dead's report from months ago turned out to be right. So much for all their precautions to keep the secret. 

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10 hours ago, KingintheNorth4 said:

Honestly, after watching the premiere, I feel empty. I went from shock and horror to feeling empty. I wasn't expecting them to show the full blown gore and brutality of that scene.

I felt nothing even though I liked the characters. I stuck with the show to see how this went even though I think the show has been going down hill for a while because it is too inconsistent. I feel like maybe this would have had more weight , to it, for me at least, if they just showed it in the finale of last season and not use it as a season opener. I honestly felt more watching a really horrible person in Casino get beaten to death with bats than I did watching characters I like get killed. And since I brought up Casino, even though this was gory, I was and still find myself more disturbed by that bat beating scene in that movie than what was shown on Walking Dead last night. 

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I kind of liked the episode, but felt nothing when they died. I was 90% percent sure it was Abraham, and I felt he'd run his course as a character. Glenn was my next bet, so basically I've had half a year expecting it. So yeah nothing. They shpuld just have shown us last season.

The best move was carting off Daryl, and threatening Carl's hand.

 

JDM is kind of OK, I'm not fully getting the love. Also Negan seems a bit too... clean?

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Good opener. They killed my favorite character though. A real shit show indeed. Good job breaking Rick. That isn't easy to do. I wonder if Daryl is going to be jailed or what. 

Both Daryl and Rick kinda screwed up. Maggy was a lot smarter. I had thought neither one of them would be killed, simply because there was no way they could sit still for it. I didn't anticipate 2 people dying though.

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Credit to the writer, director and actors involved in making a horrific hour of tv. I can't say I enjoyed it but that clearly wasn't their intention either. They reminded me of how it's ridiculous that Negan is still around in the comics - that shit can't be forgiven.

The "cut your son's hand off" was great (I don't recall that in the comics) as it played on that expectation from Rick's hand in the comics.

Is it bad of me that I couldn't help think "you all slit a bunch of people's throats in their sleep not so long ago"? Granted Negan revels in the torture and that separates them but there could have been people in his crowd loved those folk (p)rick and co killed. Love Rick's new nickname too :)

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If you really look back over the 7 Seasons, it is clear that the creators of the Show selected a rather piss poor leader for our group of heroes. My understanding, having not read the comics but having read the comic wiki a bit, is that the real Rick Grimes from the original story is not the emotionally fragile character that Show-Rick has been portrayed as.

Andrew Lincoln has portrayed the character as swaying from innocence, to naive toughness, to madness, then to monk-like farmer Rick at the prison, then to pscyho tough guy in Alexandria, and now to broken PTSD sufferer.

How is it that he leads this group again?

In this  traumatic episode Darryl came across as so much more resilient and willing to embrace the tribulations that fate throws his way than the fragile Rick did. Darryl is simply a tougher soul than Rick is. Fullstop. And always has been. And if you look back, as I said, it is nothing new. Rick has always been weak, and mentally unfit to be a leader in this apocalyptic hell of a world.

I think  the Show has simply portrayed him very, very wrong, unless I misunderstand how the comic portrayed him. He is just too emo. I don't understand why they deviated from the comic character. Rick is just not a plausible leader anymore.

Any kind of return to badassery for Rick is just not going to be believable after the see saw emo ride he has taken us on over the course of 7 years. Don't get me wrong, the Show is no doubt going to show us his return to confidence and eventually have him come out on top. But it is simply not going to be believable. It is going to suck from here on out, in their attempt to mix zen training from Morgan, amateur trauma councelling from Michonne, endless self reflection and moping self healing from Rick and probably some cookies from Carol thrown into the mix, before reborn Rick rises from the ashes to kill Negan with that axe he so conspiciously kept with him at the end of the episode.

But it is going to suck. Because Rick should not lead anyone anymore after the absolute disaster that he has been as a character. Just how many chances should he get, and why does he deserve any of them?

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10 hours ago, HokieStone said:

I kept thinking that during the scene...those 70ish of his "followers" standing around watching this play out - How did that many people get to a place where this was "acceptable"?  I can't imagine how Negan garnered a following.

seasons 1-6. If that's typical of the kind of crap that goes down I could see people putting up with a lot. Especially if he breaks people in the way he did with (p)rick

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I read an article at io9 I think? earlier this evening that stated there was no way the cliffhanger was going to live up to the summer of obsessing  over who got it. I can't say I disagree. The author suggested the best bang for your gut punch buck would have been to reveal the death of Abraham in the season finale, thus paving the way for a real surprise in Glenn getting it in the season premiere. I can't say I disagree with that either.

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Negan's reaction here seems remarkably tame all things considered. In the comics this is their first meeting with him, brutal murder. Here they brought this upon themselves, they killed what, 20 of his guys? And all he wants in return is one scalp? Seems pretty timid to me.

 

And on Rick, I loved him the most when he was Psycho Rick. I don't care if he was likeable, as long as he's interesting. You want bite a mans throat out? Hell yeah. You want to fuck a married woman? Lets see how that goes. You want to be a dull, solid leader of a group? I have better things to be watching.

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I don't know why I watched it.  I've had zero interest in even thinking about the show since the end of last season.  It was clear who would die.  Glenn's always been the best of the group so it's sad to have him leave.  Not sure we really needing to have the close ups on his beaten face and brains.  

As others say, an ok episode on it's own but I expect it to return to mediocre to poor starting next episode.  

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22 hours ago, Martini Sigil said:

....I loved this episode.... if you are a fan of this show, it was heart wrenching...

....Vampire Bat =Great Line

.... Nice going, Daryl

... They went out like champs...

.... and Jeffery Dean Morgan is friggin amazing...

I concur with all of those statements. (Fucking Daryl!) Glenn's eye popping out was just chill inducing. Even when they showed behind the scenes clips of it during Talking Dead I got skeeved out. 

This show now only has four cast members left from the first season: Carol, Daryl, Carl, and Rick. That's less than even GoT, right?

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