US Elections -- The Wrath of Khan

[Swordfish]

13 minutes ago, TerraPrime said:

The point of the story about Meg Whitman isn't that we are now okay with Hillary's ties to the rich and powerful. The point is that Trump's campaign is causing long-time party loyalists to defect. And once some of the top tier people are doing it, more in the lower ranks will feel emboldened to do so. It's to point out the on-going process of the GOP tearing itself apart.

 

But sure, it's about Hillary.

 

That is certainly part of the story.  

I understand why you want to ignore the rest of the story.  That's pretty predictable.

 

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You do you, Swordfish.

 

indeed, i shall.  Thank you for your blessing.

[lokisnow]

9 hours ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said:

"Probably"?  Can you get a bit more detailed than "probably"?  That's right up their with Trump claiming the election will be stolen.  These machines can or can't be networked and linked to the internet.  It's a straightforward question.

I was making an oblique joke about Democrat conspiracy mongering after 2004 election re the Ohio die bold voting machines.

This wired article should alleviate your fears. Putin hackers probably can't swing the election for trump because the machines are dispersed unequally, and not uniformly.

https://www.wired.com/2016/08/americas-voting-machines-arent-ready-election/

[Mr. Chatywin et al.]

New Clinton Ads:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/clinton-campaign-ads-trump-outsourcing

The first ad using a Trump interview with David Letterman is rather damning. 

[White Walker Texas Ranger]

27 minutes ago, lokisnow said:

Pretty sure c NBC was trolled hard with this apocryphal nuclear story, it is simply too close to what democrats want to believe, 2004 msword all over again, but with even less evidence this time.

Sure, the report is unreliable, but it's generally in line with Trump's general attitudes (Bomb ISIS into the ground, kill families of terrorists, use tougher torture than waterboarding) and previous statements.

 

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MATTHEWS:  OK.  The trouble is, when you said that, the whole world heard it.  David Cameron in Britain heard it.  The Japanese, where we bombed them in '45, heard it.  They're hearing a guy running for president of the United States talking of maybe using nuclear weapons.  Nobody wants to hear that about an American president.

 

TRUMP:  Then why are we making them?  Why do we make them?  We had (inaudible).

 

[aceluby]

28 minutes ago, Swordfish said:

 

That is certainly part of the story.  

I understand why you want to ignore the rest of the story.  That's pretty predictable.

You have yet to actually discuss what the rest of the story is.  What 'a lot' of criticisms are.  What you think this is 'proof' of.

I mean I get why you're doing this handwaving schtict.  It's much harder to actually make a point and try and defend it than to vaguely state nothing and then act snarky.

[Ser Scot A Ellison]

 Is there anyone left on the board willing to offer any support or defense of Herr Trump?

[Jace, Extat]

1 minute ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said:

 Is there anyone left on the board willing to offer any support or defense of Herr Trump?

It's all an act if you believe altherion. Meanwhile swordfish is... something about 'a lot of criticism'?

[Frog Eater]

He's not defendable at this point. It's a clown show. 

I honestly believe that he never intended to win the nomination, and has no interest in being President. He kept saying crazier and crazier things, and he just kept chugging along. He got as offensive as anyone though possible during the primary, and still won. The man talked about the size of his dick. On television. During a Presidential Primary Debate. And won. 

So now he is just sabotaging his campaign, I think on purpose. He cant be this clueless. 

Again, while I dont like Hillary Clinton as President, Donald Trump simply cannot be President. 

[James Arryn]

2 minutes ago, Frog Eater said:

He's not defendable at this point. It's a clown show. 

I honestly believe that he never intended to win the nomination, and has no interest in being President. He kept saying crazier and crazier things, and he just kept chugging along. He got as offensive as anyone though possible during the primary, and still won. The man talked about the size of his dick. On television. During a Presidential Primary Debate. And won. 

So now he is just sabotaging his campaign, I think on purpose. He cant be this clueless. 

Again, while I dont like Hillary Clinton as President, Donald Trump simply cannot be President. 

And yet a pretty significant chunk of the country will vote for him. I think we've effectively proven 'it couldn't happen here' to be wrong about, well...almost anything.

[Jaxom 1974]

51 minutes ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said:

 Is there anyone left on the board willing to offer any support or defense of Herr Trump?

The Board? Likely not. My Facebook feed? Unfortunately yes. Still.  It is sad.

[Kalbear]

8 minutes ago, Jaxom 1974 said:

The Board? Likely not. My Facebook feed? Unfortunately yes. Still.  It is sad.

I think @Guess who's back is still a solid Trump supporter. @Altherion is too, though as far as I can tell Trump is a Schrodinger's candidate who is both absurdly clever to act a buffoon while not intending on doing anything he suggests, and is a game changer because he's going to do all the things he suggests which will immantenize the eschaton. 

[Manhole Eunuchsbane]

12 minutes ago, Kalbear said:

 and is a game changer because he's going to do all the things he suggests which will immantenize the eschaton.

 He does have all the best words.

[Ormond]

1 hour ago, Frog Eater said:

He's not defendable at this point. It's a clown show. 

I honestly believe that he never intended to win the nomination, and has no interest in being President. He kept saying crazier and crazier things, and he just kept chugging along. He got as offensive as anyone though possible during the primary, and still won. The man talked about the size of his dick. On television. During a Presidential Primary Debate. And won. 

So now he is just sabotaging his campaign, I think on purpose. He cant be this clueless. 

Again, while I dont like Hillary Clinton as President, Donald Trump simply cannot be President. 

Oh, I believe he now has a great interest in having the TITLE of "President" -- he just has no interest in doing the actual job, which is largely because he really does not understand  what the job entails. In his mind all that has to happen is that he becomes President and his "strength" (which he defines as bombastic rhetoric) will automatically make him the most successful President in history. 

He is a textbook case of Narcissistic Personality Disorder, which means he CAN definitely be that clueless. 

[maarsen]

2 hours ago, Frog Eater said:

He's not defendable at this point. It's a clown show. 

I honestly believe that he never intended to win the nomination, and has no interest in being President. He kept saying crazier and crazier things, and he just kept chugging along. He got as offensive as anyone though possible during the primary, and still won. The man talked about the size of his dick. On television. During a Presidential Primary Debate. And won. 

So now he is just sabotaging his campaign, I think on purpose. He cant be this clueless. 

Again, while I dont like Hillary Clinton as President, Donald Trump simply cannot be President. 

Oh yes he can be that clueless. I knew people with his type of narcissistic behaviour, and yes they can be completely clueless as to how their lies are going over. 

If Trump has his finger on the nuke button, move away from a state that voted against him.

[DanteGabriel]

2 hours ago, lokisnow said:

Pretty sure c NBC was trolled hard with this apocryphal nuclear story, it is simply too close to what democrats want to believe, 2004 msword all over again, but with even less evidence this time.

Who got trolled in the end? Trump's lackeys have had to respond to it like a real story, and it gave rise to this amazing tweet storm from a GOP national security guy who used to be a missile command officer:

 

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12. But what really concerns me, as a former nuke guy, is the idea of a narcissist walking around with nuclear authenticators.

13. I could sit 100ft underground, on alert, knowing that the POTUS would not make me do my duty -- not unless it was absolute last resort

14. But imagine having to turn launch keys not knowing if we were under attack or if it was b/c foreign leader said a mean thing on twitter

15. The power is there to kill millions. Permanently alter the geopolitical landscape. It is a sacred, sobering responsibility.

16. Idea that nukes would be used, say over Raqqa or Mosul, simply because we have no more allies and it's a simple, easy fix is nauseating

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/08/you-have-read-amazing-tweetstorm-jeb-bushs-national-security-adviser-about-trump

[Kalbear]

And here's Republican congressman #2 not voting for Trump.

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Illinois Rep. Adam Kinzinger said Wednesday he will not support Donald Trump in November, as he becomes the latest elected Republican official to break from the party.

Kinzinger told CNN he went to the Republican National Convention and had hoped to be able to endorse Trump by the end of it. However, the former Air Force pilot said after Trump’s comments on NATO and his spat with Khizr Khan, the father of a fallen soldier who spoke at the Democratic National Convention, he doesn’t see how he could endorse him.

 

 

 

[BloodRider]

2 hours ago, Pony Queen Jace said:

It's all an act if you believe altherion. Meanwhile swordfish is... something about 'a lot of criticism'?

Swordfish is doing the Trump apologetic two-step.  It's all the rage.  It's the dance for hte men who can't justify their vote, so they shit on everyone else's reasons for voting for anyone else, and allemande right when asked to come up with positive Trump traits or actions.

This is opposed to the Trump tail-chase twirl, where you believe the Trump spin so much your are so dizzy as to think he isn't really all that bad, not really a racist, and actually might do some good.

[DanteGabriel]

The Onion has had some pretty classic and prescient headlines, like "Fuck Everything, We're Doing Five Blades" on the arms race in men's razors. Or the poignant killer from 2001: "Bush: Our Long National Nightmare of Peace and Prosperity is Over."

Here's another one from 2012 that my friend just dug up and posted to Facebook:

After Obama Victory, Shrieking White-Hot Sphere of Pure Rage Early GOP Front-Runner for 2016

Though to be more accurate, one might fudge the headline to be "Shrieking Sphere of White Rage" instead.

[TrackerNeil]

7 hours ago, Swordfish said:

I don't know what is newsworthy about this.  Clinton has always had the billionaires in her corner, including, previously, Trump.

This simply affirms a lot of the criticisms against her.

So Clinton should alienate powerful people? Call me a sellout if you will, but it seems to me that you don't get much done in the way of policy without working with everyone of power. It's nice to fantasize about flipping off the wealthy and creating a socialist utopia, but in the real world rich people have influence, and it's better to have them inside the tent pissing out than outside pissing in.

[Fragile Bird]

1 hour ago, Kalbear said:

And here's Republican congressman #2 not voting for Trump.

 

 

And number 3 is a congresswoman from Florida, which I just heard on PBS.

But.....they raised $80 M, pretty close to the $90 M Clinton raised.