unJon Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 9 minutes ago, matt b said: There's an implication there that Onkis and Ajokli might be working together to war against the rest of the Hundred. Must be rough when Hope and Deceit are on the same side. And the Solitary God said, “Let there be Deceit. Let there be Desire.” ETA: crackpot. Onkis is a mix of Prometheus and Pandora. She is the Singer-in-the-Night. And in the cultic text is actually a prophetess of the Motivations of Men. Singer = sorcery. She teaches the nommen the Gnosis, bringing the fire of the gods to the Nonmen. And she get punished for it (severed head on Copper Tree). Her death creates the Hundred (opening Pandora's box brings fear into the world) and the damnation that comes with it (wheat to the Harvest). The box needs to be opened a second time to let Hope out (Onkis = goddess of Hope). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sologdin Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 so, onky is in the box, wondering who she is and what do you see, &c.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalbear Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 4 hours ago, unJon said: What do the board entomologists make of the On prefix? The fact that it starts Onkis and onta may be another link in this theory about Onkis being the first or the head on the pole or something. Well, the entomologists would likely be behind ajokli, as he is the only God described as being directly insectile. All the gods are somewhat described as causing the same arachnid reaction though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sologdin Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 4 hours ago, unJon said: The fact that it starts Onkis and onta may be another link in this theory about Onkis being the first or the head on the pole or something. onto- is 'being' whereas onco- is 'tumor'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unJon Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 8 minutes ago, Kalbear said: Well, the entomologists would likely be behind ajokli, as he is the only God described as being directly insectile. All the gods are somewhat described as causing the same arachnid reaction though. Well played Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Richard II Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 12 hours ago, karaddin said: You've been on the internet in the last few years, right? Its an assumption I'm making here, but I find it very hard to believe there isn't a portion of certain groups that wouldn't be all over his novels. Perhaps not, and they would simply approve of that shit without being fans, or hearing about it would inspire them to read the books...my point is those people are clearly there and would approve of this shit if they read it. Oh I'm well aware of MRA and their ilk, I just have never encountered them, in any Bakker context before. I mean, most of them don't seem particularly...literate to begin with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sologdin Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 1 hour ago, Darth Richard II said: Oh I'm well aware of MRA and their ilk, I just have never encountered them, in any Bakker context before. I mean, most of them don't seem particularly...literate to begin with. dark enlightment types are fairly literate, using the term broadly. they won't appreciate the RSB philosophy. they will identify with the setting's gender 'reality' as well as with its authoritarian governance and theocracy. I.e., they'd want to live in this setting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lies And Perfidy Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 16 minutes ago, sologdin said: dark enlightment types are fairly literate, using the term broadly. they won't appreciate the RSB philosophy. they will identify with the setting's gender 'reality' as well as with its authoritarian governance and theocracy. I.e., they'd want to live in this setting. Maybe the Proyas rape scene was written just to deflect alt-right/red-pillers from using it as a lifestyle guide. "I was on board with Nietzchean Wizard Jesus, but then in Book 6 he has sex with a dude. Avoid this series." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Richard II Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 24 minutes ago, Lies And Perfidy said: Maybe the Proyas rape scene was written just to deflect alt-right/red-pillers from using it as a lifestyle guide. "I was on board with Nietzchean Wizard Jesus, but then in Book 6 he has sex with a dude. Avoid this series." Haha dude I almost chocked on my dinner there, I've seen reviews on amazon.gr that are not too far off from that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jurble Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 1 hour ago, sologdin said: dark enlightment types are fairly literate, using the term broadly. they won't appreciate the RSB philosophy. they will identify with the setting's gender 'reality' as well as with its authoritarian governance and theocracy. I.e., they'd want to live in this setting. Hmm, and I bet if you forced Shaeonanra to pick between Trump or Hillary, he'd pick Hillary for the Dem. positions on abortion and homosexuality, not to mention his radical antitheism would sour him on the Republicans. But then again, both he and Trump probably agree on nuclear weapon policy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjako Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 8 hours ago, unJon said: And the Solitary God said, “Let there be Deceit. Let there be Desire.” ETA: crackpot. Onkis is a mix of Prometheus and Pandora. She is the Singer-in-the-Night. And in the cultic text is actually a prophetess of the Motivations of Men. Singer = sorcery. She teaches the nommen the Gnosis, bringing the fire of the gods to the Nonmen. And she get punished for it (severed head on Copper Tree). Her death creates the Hundred (opening Pandora's box brings fear into the world) and the damnation that comes with it (wheat to the Harvest). The box needs to be opened a second time to let Hope out (Onkis = goddess of Hope). Interesting. Though I hope that isn't a huge focus on the final iteration / Unholy Consult. It would require a big departure into Malazan territory with "war of the Gods" stuffs. Hopefully we get more "in world" answers, with a nice topping of Gods stuffs for balancing out the theories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jurble Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 Opened the book to a random spot and found myself reading Serwa's real/unreal stuff Quote More importantly, she desired what she willed - and nothing more. Moderately interesting. Kellhus' kids and the New Empire in general use Dunyainic terminology all the time - the term Shortest Path comes up all the time. But it seems Serwa is unaware of the Darkness That Comes Before and thinks of herself as a self-moving soul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sci-2 Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 4 hours ago, sologdin said: dark enlightment types are fairly literate, using the term broadly. they won't appreciate the RSB philosophy. they will identify with the setting's gender 'reality' as well as with its authoritarian governance and theocracy. I.e., they'd want to live in this setting. I kinda doubt the Dark Enlightenment really wants to live in a feudal reality, since then you have to either be nobility, be one of the gifted Few, or have the physical fitness necessary to gain power by strength of arms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Richard II Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 I'm going to regret asking this, but what the fuck is Dark Enlightenment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durckad Posted August 9, 2016 Author Share Posted August 9, 2016 21 minutes ago, Sci-2 said: I kinda doubt the Dark Enlightenment really wants to live in a feudal reality, since then you have to either be nobility, be one of the gifted Few, or have the physical fitness necessary to gain power by strength of arms. Also, I don't think Earwa has fedoras. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sci-2 Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 6 minutes ago, Darth Richard II said: I'm going to regret asking this, but what the fuck is Dark Enlightenment? Basically an idea that the Enlightenment (and the humanist values associated with it) was a historical mistake. You have variations on that idea - sometimes racist, sometimes biased toward STEM majors - where the chosen group aligned with the bigotry is the "nobility" to the rest of the world's "serfs". A lot of selective if not outright pseudoscience involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sci-2 Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 Just now, Durckad said: Also, I don't think Earwa has fedoras. Lol, that too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jurble Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 https://www.reddit.com/r/darkenlightenment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Richard II Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 *throws up in mouth* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durckad Posted August 9, 2016 Author Share Posted August 9, 2016 Ah, so that's what the Inverse Fire looks like! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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