jurble Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 On the previous page, Kelmomas thinks that the Fanim are about to take the city, but gets distracted by Esemenet following the Narindar. Or what refers to that, I believe - or his realization a bit earlier via Inrilatis flashback that he was working for Ajokli, which he then suppresses and ignores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hello World Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 So what was Maithanet going to tell Esmi before he died? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Richard II Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 7 minutes ago, Hello World said: So what was Maithanet going to tell Esmi before he died? I assumed it was that her son was batshit crazy go nuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
all swedes are racist Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 25 minutes ago, Hello World said: So what was Maithanet going to tell Esmi before he died? "Dicks out for Harambe" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
all swedes are racist Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 25 minutes ago, Hello World said: So what was Maithanet going to tell Esmi before he died? "Dicks out for Harambe" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PapushiSun Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 What parts of the brain do the "Outer Sheath" and the "Confluence" refer to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Richard II Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 2 hours ago, R'hllors Red Lobster said: "Dicks out for Harambe" Haha, I was going to say "too many secrets" but I like yours better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhom Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 5 hours ago, Darth Richard II said: Haha, I was going to say "too many secrets" but I like yours better. Setec Astronomy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jurble Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 9 hours ago, PapushiSun said: What parts of the brain do the "Outer Sheath" and the "Confluence" refer to? outer sheath is the cerebral cortex, the confluence is those portions of the brain that give rise to consciousness, which we don't know but apparently the Dunyain mapped it out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Ent Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 7 hours ago, Damned with the Wind said: outer sheath is the cerebral cortex, the confluence is those portions of the brain that give rise to consciousness, which we don't know but apparently the Dunyain mapped it out Good question. I was under the impression that the Confluence was “where the soul is located.” (In Bakkerverse, the Soul and Consciousness and “What makes us human” etc. may be the same thing. It’s the difference between a human and a p-zombie.) If I’m right then real humans (i.e., those on Earth, denizens of the Westeros forum) don’t have this neuroanatomical feature, since (after all) we don’t believe there is the “extra something”, certainly not in physically separate extra-complicated lump of brain tissue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jurble Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 If being conscious and having a soul are the same thing in Bakkerverse, and we've been given all impressions that they are (skin-spies and Sranc lacking consciousness and being unsouled) then why would that necessitate an anatomical difference between us and them in our brains? Being conscious gets you a soul, as we see with Simas. The Confluence, as its described, doesn't seem to be a discrete neuroanatomical feature, but something the Dunyain mapped out via neuropuncture, as we, in this world, have not done with consciousness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caligula_K3 Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 2 hours ago, Damned with the Wind said: If being conscious and having a soul are the same thing in Bakkerverse, and we've been given all impressions that they are (skin-spies and Sranc lacking consciousness and being unsouled) then why would that necessitate an anatomical difference between us and them in our brains? Being conscious gets you a soul, as we see with Simas. The Confluence, as its described, doesn't seem to be a discrete neuroanatomical feature, but something the Dunyain mapped out via neuropuncture, as we, in this world, have not done with consciousness. What does consciousness mean in Bakkerverse? The POVs of Sarcellus from Darkness That Comes Before seem to me to show consciousness- it'd be pretty hard to write a POV from a character without consciousness. Also, thanks for the page reference to the Inchoroi-Tusk passage! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jurble Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 See, I was wondering the same thing Sranc and Skin-spies are supposed to be non-conscious, yet we've gotten internal dialogue for skin-spies, though the Sranc PoV we had (the Sranc chieftain) didn't necessarily show any sort of internal world to the Sranc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Seswatha Jordan Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 1 hour ago, Damned with the Wind said: See, I was wondering the same thing Sranc and Skin-spies are supposed to be non-conscious, yet we've gotten internal dialogue for skin-spies, though the Sranc PoV we had (the Sranc chieftain) didn't necessarily show any sort of internal world to the Sranc. No not non-conscious, without a soul. Maybe without conscious (moral compass?), like any narcissist or madman, you might say. They do think for themselves in a manner, but are controlled by base urges, as they was made that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jurble Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 Their inability to apprehend paradox is a pretty common literary trope to depict a lack of consciousness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Richard II Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 So sranc are 60s era sci fi robots? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
all swedes are racist Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 But I'm not necessarily buying soul=consciousness. And I think RSB makes that disc tincture a very deliberate choice. The skin spies are quite intelligent, and seem to have a certain amount of will and agency. Shit, the sranc even have their own languange. These are very much 'conscious' beings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jurble Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 Language doesn't necessitate consciousness cf: Blind Sight. Bakker has explicitly told us the No-God is a p-zombie and so non-conscious (it also unsouled and invisible to the Gods) and the No-God certainly uses language. In a p-zombie, as Kori explicitly describes in the Sranc, cause comes in, action comes out, but there's no qualia on the part of the zombie, nothing apprehends that it acts. They're biological robots with an elaborate and adaptable programming - like a neural network or whatever (like Blind Sight) - but there's nothing experiencing its life on the inside - just automated behavior and response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Seswatha Jordan Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 37 minutes ago, R'hllors Red Lobster said: But I'm not necessarily buying soul=consciousness. And I think RSB makes that disc tincture a very deliberate choice. The skin spies are quite intelligent, and seem to have a certain amount of will and agency. Shit, the sranc even have their own languange. These are very much 'conscious' beings. This is we're im at. They make choices on there own sometimes, so they have the ability to think for themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
all swedes are racist Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 Sorry, in it familiar with the term; is that different than this definition of 'blindsight'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.