Manhole Eunuchsbane Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 Isn't this just another Neocon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanteGabriel Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 2 minutes ago, Manhole Eunuchsbane said: Isn't this just another Neocon? I saw an enlightening Venn diagram today that explains it as the intersection of neo-Nazis and neckbeards. Which I am sure does nothing to capture the ethical complexity and well-considered moral depth of a movement bravely striving for ethics in political journalism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trebla Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 32 minutes ago, Shryke said: Anyway, Clinton gave a big speech today. All about showing how Trump is connected to the Alt-Right. The Alt-Right is essentially the rebranded standard right-wing conservative racist bullshit that's been around in the american political landscape since, like, the civil war at least. Anyway, speech transcript here: http://www.vox.com/2016/8/25/12647810/hillary-clinton-speech-alt-right A previous article on the alt-right here: http://www.vox.com/2016/4/18/11434098/alt-right-explained I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE that she shined a big light on the alt-right. It's been trending #1 on Twitter all day. I'm on there a lot and I've been familiar with their special brand of stupid for quite a while. A big talking point for them is that the Nazis were left-wing because Nazis stands for National Socialism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Kilmore Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 7 hours ago, Fez said: So its not definitive yet (and it wouldn't affect the election in any case), but it looks like there's a good chance Trump won't be on the ballot in Minnesota in November. Apparently, the Minnesota GOP failed to elect their alternate electors, which the state SOS requires when submitting for ballot access, so as of last night Trump was not on the ballot. Because the deadline is in just a few days, the party executive committee appointed alternate electors last night. But they don't actually have the authority to do that, and there's not enough time for the party to call a state convention to hold the elector election before the deadline. They may figure out a way to sort the problem out, but this is a party organization that didn't even realize Trump wasn't on the ballot until a reporter asked them about it. No, he will be on the ballot. http://blogs.mprnews.org/capitol-view/2016/08/yes-trump-will-be-on-minnesota-ballot/ We are a very reasonable state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davos Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 36 minutes ago, Manhole Eunuchsbane said: You know as unsettling as that possibility is, he makes a fair point. All the more reason I'm ignoring the polls so as not to be lulled into complacency. While I agree that this is a very strong argument for not being complacent, I would also point out that the comparison doesn't hold up very well. The framers of the constitution were terrified of populism. The archaic and much lamented electoral college was one of the safe guards they put in place to limit such movements. While I hate this part of US democracy, in this case it makes the election extraordinary difficult for Trump. Not only does the electoral map at present favor a democratic candidate but the whole system rewards organization, a stron ground game, and strategic thinking. These are elements the Clinton campaign excels at while Trump's is singularily lacking in. Added to that, the US is a more diverse nation ethnically than the UK. Additionally, the Brexit referendum was a single issue vote, while the Presidential election is held in concert with a very large number of other elections. Very different dynamic. Basically, the US differs enough from the UK that while both the Brexit vote and Trump may pull from the same well of disatisfaction and racism, that the outcome is quite likely to be rather different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The guy from the Vale Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 3 minutes ago, Trebla said: I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE that she shined a big light on the alt-right. It's been trending #1 on Twitter all day. I'm on there a lot and I've been familiar with their special brand of stupid for quite a while. A big talking point for them is that the Nazis were left-wing because Nazis stands for National Socialism. Do these people also think that North Korea is a democracy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Anti-Targ Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 16 minutes ago, Trebla said: I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE that she shined a big light on the alt-right. It's been trending #1 on Twitter all day. I'm on there a lot and I've been familiar with their special brand of stupid for quite a while. A big talking point for them is that the Nazis were left-wing because Nazis stands for National Socialism. I wonder what the neo-Nazi groups think about that? I see Trump is calling Hillary Clinton a bigot. It's that pretty much the same as saying almost every African American voter is stupid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manhole Eunuchsbane Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 22 minutes ago, davos said: While I agree that this is a very strong argument for not being complacent, I would also point out that the comparison doesn't hold up very well. The framers of the constitution were terrified of populism. The archaic and much lamented electoral college was one of the safe guards they put in place to limit such movements. While I hate this part of US democracy, in this case it makes the election extraordinary difficult for Trump. Not only does the electoral map at present favor a democratic candidate but the whole system rewards organization, a stron ground game, and strategic thinking. These are elements the Clinton campaign excels at while Trump's is singularily lacking in. Added to that, the US is a more diverse nation ethnically than the UK. Additionally, the Brexit referendum was a single issue vote, while the Presidential election is held in concert with a very large number of other elections. Very different dynamic. Basically, the US differs enough from the UK that while both the Brexit vote and Trump may pull from the same well of disatisfaction and racism, that the outcome is quite likely to be rather different. Yeah, I'm sure there are significant differences between these two elections, but there's still a cautionary tale to be learned from, right? I thought the general consensus regarding the Brexit vote was that the "stays" would take the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkynJay Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 9 minutes ago, The Anti-Targ said: I wonder what the neo-Nazi groups think about that? I see Trump is calling Hillary Clinton a bigot. It's that pretty much the same as saying almost every African American voter is stupid? He has already said their situation is helpless, their apperently segregated schools are horrible, and suggested they have no agency of their own but are instead pawns of the (white) two parties. Part of the long running GOP meme that separates black people from their own will and ties them instead to politics they only apperently vote for in order to get free stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maarsen Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 5 hours ago, Swordfish said: Completely and totally wrong. 'Password' is not the only security feature on an email server. A server is just another computer, whether you get one from Cisco or IBM or whoever. The software put into that box matters, but using Windows is not grounds for negligence. All servers need to have a connection to the Internet to be useful and any security system starts there. Whether the server is in the State Dept. basement or Clinton's basement is irrelevant. Both can be locked up but there is always that connection that opens it up. The point is that she was not hacked. There was no security breach. If she had decided to use Linux as her operating system she would have been even safer, and then using Firefox as a browser would help even more. A reasonably good antivirus software like Kaspersky would be all she would need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerraPrime Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 56 minutes ago, Trebla said: I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE that she shined a big light on the alt-right. It's been trending #1 on Twitter all day. I'm on there a lot and I've been familiar with their special brand of stupid for quite a while. A big talking point for them is that the Nazis were left-wing because Nazis stands for National Socialism. That's on par with the level of political discourse from the general right. I just ran into someone on FB who is arguing that the Democrats have a terrible track record on human rights because Andrew Jackson, a Democrat, brought us the Trail of Tears. He wasn't even joking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sologdin Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 by that rationale, the republicans are marxists because a number of the leftwing refugees from the 1848 failed revolutions entered into service with the lincoln administration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrackerNeil Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 2 hours ago, Shryke said: Anyway, Clinton gave a big speech today. All about showing how Trump is connected to the Alt-Right. The Alt-Right is essentially the rebranded standard right-wing conservative racist bullshit that's been around in the american political landscape since, like, the civil war at least. Anyway, speech transcript here: http://www.vox.com/2016/8/25/12647810/hillary-clinton-speech-alt-right Clinton's getting better at this, and in Reno she delivered what might be the best speech of her campaign. She painted a very clear picture that this election is not about Democrats vs. Republicans; it's between normal and unhinged. There shouldn't be any doubt about the right choice. Of course, since Hillary Clinton doesn't act like a mom or girlfriend, there's plenty of doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongRider Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 2 hours ago, sologdin said: anti-vax is anti-health in general. Yeah maybe, but isn't Hilary the unhealthy one? This election has just become so confusing. Is Trump vaccinated or not? If not, is that why he's 'surprisingly omfg the healthiness man on the huge planet, as some people have said'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sologdin Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 i take this issue extremely personally; and it is moreover an affront erga omnes. trump is certainly an anti-vaxxer. he is accordingly hostis humani generis. HRC by contrast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
all swedes are racist Posted August 26, 2016 Author Share Posted August 26, 2016 Why won't he release his vax returns?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongRider Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 8 minutes ago, sologdin said: i take this issue extremely personally; and it is moreover an affront erga omnes. trump is certainly an anti-vaxxer. he is accordingly hostis humani generis. HRC by contrast. Jebus H Kreeeist! The both of them? Idiots, truly, truly ijeets. edt; Trump and Carson, I mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongRider Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 17 minutes ago, R'hllors Red Lobster said: Why won't he release his vax returns?! Actually, it would be interesting to see the shot records of him and his kids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Anti-Targ Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 -100 respect points for Bill Maher being an anti-vaxxer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trebla Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 3 hours ago, theguyfromtheVale said: Do these people also think that North Korea is a democracy? I often use the example that the name "People's Republic of China" does not make China a republic. 3 hours ago, The Anti-Targ said: I wonder what the neo-Nazi groups think about that? I've never gotten that far into the argument. Typically the name calling starts after I make the China comparison. 3 hours ago, TerraPrime said: That's on par with the level of political discourse from the general right. I just ran into someone on FB who is arguing that the Democrats have a terrible track record on human rights because Andrew Jackson, a Democrat, brought us the Trail of Tears. He wasn't even joking. Oh I know. I hear the "Party of Lincoln" all the time. I then tell them to look up "The Southern Strategy" and then get back to me. eta:Oh look...apparently Donald Trump is an Alt-Right Denier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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