chrisdaw Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 Quote How would you like to die, Tyrion son of Tywin?" "In my own bed, with a belly full of wine and a maiden's mouth around my cock, at the age of eighty," he replied. He won't make 80, and her lips probably won't be wrapped around his cock at the time, but he will die in his bed, with a maid and a belly full of win. The maid will be his wife (and queen). Quote ALEQUO ADARYS, THE SILVERTONGUE - A Tyroshi merchant prince who was wealthy and ambitious. Tyrion is wealthy, of a sort, will be wealthier soon, and he might not know it yet but very ambitious, he will become king. And he is a very slick talker, the best out of the POV's, as Silvertongue entails. And there's Symon Silver Tongue, perhaps Tyrion's greater sin. Quote and it would be six years before Alequo Adarys, the Tyrant of Tyrosh, was poisoned by his queen and the Archon of Tyrosh was restored. Tyrant of Tyrosh, for Tyrion. And by the time we get to his poisoning he will be thought a tyrant (like his father, the biological one), and will prove them right in the end. The Silvertongue, Tyrant of Tyrosh, poisoned by his queen. As he is by Alequo, Tyrion is foreshadowed by several kings, good and bad, Hugor of the Hill, Viserys II, Aenys I, both Aerys's, Maegor (not exclusively Tyrion), Jaeharys and probably most telling Aegon II. Reason being he has his strengths and weaknesses, and his reign will go from good to bad to absolutely terrible. So the foreshadowing runs through multiple phases and aspects of his reign and character. Aenys I Quoted from the Wiki for laziness. Quote He was considered weak at birth and early childhood, but once he bonded with his dragon, Quicksilver, he rapidly became stronger and more confident. Aenys was a dreamer and a dabbler in alchemy; he loved court life just as Rhaenys had, and he was a great patron of the arts. He was a good singer, with a "strong, sweet voice". Aenys could also make friends very easily, and was very popular with women. Young girls doted on him. He loved to ride, but his favorite mount was always his dragon Quicksilver. But Aenys hungered too much for approval, and hesitated over decisions for fear of disappointing one side or another. . . . Rumors abounded that he could be no true son of Aegon the Conqueror, who was a peerless warrior, and that perhaps his father had been one of the singers or mummers that Rhaenys had delighted in. . . . Aenys was trained by his father's Kingsguard, but lacked his brother's size and strength. A parallel to Tyrion's birth. When Tyrion takes Viserion he will obviously grow in stature, it will be a turning point. Quicksilver like silvertongue. Tyrion isn't popular with young women, but young women are extremely pertinent to his arc, including one that seemingly did dote on him. He will love to ride his dragon. Tyrion hungered for Tywin's approval. Physically Tyrion was/is in the shadow of his stronger brother, a superb warrior. In reverse foreshadowing, when Tyrion takes Viserion, rumours will begin about his parentage. Quote Aenys died in 42 AC, after only ruling for five years, at the age of thirty-five. The circumstances of Aenys's death are under much speculation. Some say he died from stress, others that he was killed by Dowager Queen Visenya Targaryen so she could place her son Maegor on the Iron Throne. Visenya was known as many things, but a woman of pity is not one of them, so many asked why she tended to the care of the nephew she despised. The pertinent passage. Viserion will die, in battle, and Tyrion will become an emotional mess, and probably be severely injured. Sansa will tend him. It will be particularly curious that she does so, because despite Sansa being his queen, Sansa will not share his bed. But she will this once, and Tyrion will not survive the night. Sansa will poison him. Quote "Try not to sound so like a mouse, Sansa. You're a woman now, remember? And betrothed to my firstborn." The queen sipped at her wine. "Were it anyone else outside the gates, I might hope to beguile him. But this is Stannis Baratheon. I'd have a better chance of seducing his horse." She noticed the look on Sansa's face, and laughed. "Have I shocked you, my lady?" She leaned close. "You little fool. Tears are not a woman's only weapon. You've got another one between your legs, and you'd best learn to use it. You'll find men use their swords freely enough. Both kinds of swords." Two weapons Sansa, sex and tears, and you'd best learn to use them. But, tears as a woman's weapon have a second meaning and it's the other one that is for this occasion. Quote "Tears, tears, tears," she sobbed hysterically. "No need for tears . . . but that's not what you said in King's Landing. You told me to put the tears in Jon's wine, and I did. For Robert, and for us! Killing one's husband, with tears, tears of Lys, as Sansa has in a hairnet. Poison in wine. The sex portion is simple, trust. To gain Tyrion's trust, to get close enough to him, she will sleep with him. Women's weapons. Aegon II Aegon II took a gold dragon on black for his standard, as he rode a gold dragon. Tyrion will ride the yellow/gold dragon, Viserion, and perhaps will take a similar standard, gold for Lannister. Aegon's dragon Sunfyre is a parallel of Jaime, who will be in the first and last instance Tyrion's champion. Perhaps the most notable Aegon supporter was Criston Cole, the Kingmaker, who is also a Jaime parallel. Quote He was also very promiscuous . . . Aegon remained bent and twisted for the rest of his life, half his body covered in burn scars. Quote He carried great pain with him for the rest of his life, but refused milk of the poppy, due to his experience with from his recovery from Rook's Rest. Tyrion refuses milk of the poppy after the Blackwater. Quote After the defeat of Borros Baratheon's army by the Lads and the approach of Lord Cregan Stark's army towards the capital, Lord Corlys knew defeat was imminent. He counselled King Aegon to take the black, but the king refused and instead gave orders to have the ear of his nephew, Aegon the Younger, cut off and sent to the Lads as a warning - if his bloodline died, so would Rhaenyra's. Aegon then climbed into his litter, to be carried to his chamber, and was given a cup of wine along the way to ease his pain. When his escort arrived at his private chamber and lifted the litter's curtains, Aegon II was found dead with blood on his lips. Thus died Aegon the second of his name in 131 AC, dead by poison. Who exactly poisoned the king remains unknown to history, though twenty-two men would later be arrested for the crime. Wine, poison, a litter arriving in the bed chamber in place of his bed, close enough. Note his last actions here according to the wiki, advised to surrender, a broken, defeated man issuing a desperate, tyrannical last order, with a Stark army bearing down on him. The first but not the only time this has occurred. Quote "My Sworn Brothers were all away, you see, but Aerys liked to keep me close. I was my father's son, so he did not trust me. He wanted me where Varys could watch me, day and night. So I heard it all." He remembered how Rossart's eyes would shine when he unrolled his maps to show where the substance must be placed. Garigus and Belis were the same. "Rhaegar met Robert on the Trident, and you know what happened there. When the word reached court, Aerys packed the queen off to Dragonstone with Prince Viserys. Princess Elia would have gone as well, but he forbade it. Somehow he had gotten it in his head that Prince Lewyn must have betrayed Rhaegar on the Trident, but he thought he could keep Dorne loyal so long as he kept Elia and Aegon by his side. The traitors want my city, I heard him tell Rossart, but I'll give them naught but ashes. Let Robert be king over charred bones and cooked meat. The Targaryens never bury their dead, they burn them. Aerys meant to have the greatest funeral pyre of them all. Though if truth be told, I do not believe he truly expected to die. Like Aerion Brightfire before him, Aerys thought the fire would transform him . . . that he would rise again, reborn as a dragon, and turn all his enemies to ash. "Ned Stark was racing south with Robert's van, Aerys, also murdered, but not by his wife, a woman or poison. Murdered by Jaime, but, it will fit as foreshadowing very well as I'll explain later. Tyrion is going to lose a climactic battle against Jon at the God's Eye, he is going to fall off Viserion into the God's Eye and survive, Viserion will die. Tyrion will very likely sustain serious injuries. He will either be rescued by his forces and taken back to KL or forced before Jon to make a pact and released back to KL where he will renege. And Jon will have to march on KL. Explanation of that runs off this topic, but is explained somewhat in this post. And thus a defeated Tyrion, injured and with his dragon having died, will fall victim to the worst in himself. We've seen this Tyrion before. Quote Bowing, the man left the room, only to return a few moments later, bearing a long knife with a slender sawtooth blade, a basin of water, a pile of soft cloths, and several flasks. By then Tyrion had managed to squirm backward a few inches, so he was half sitting against his pillow. The maester bade him be very still as he slid the tip of the knife in under his chin, beneath the mask. A slip of the hand here, and Cersei will be free of me, he thought. He could feel the blade sawing through the stiffened linen, only inches above his throat. . . . "Bring it," he had to say. His mouth was stiff and sore, as if a punch had split his lip. "And drink. Wine. No poppy." . . . "As you will, my lord." Maester Ballabar bobbed his head and hurried out. Tyrion could feel the strength seeping out of him as he waited. He wondered how long he had been here, asleep. Cersei would have me sleep forever, but I won't be so obliging. After Blackwater, when Tyrion is one of his lows, he is paranoid Cersei wants to kill him, he refuses milk of the poppy and wants wine instead. Quote "You are too suspicious." Illyrio smiled through his forked yellow beard. Oiled every morning to make it gleam like gold, Tyrion suspected. "Are you craven? I had not heard that of you." "In the Seven Kingdoms it is considered a grave breach of hospitality to poison your guest at supper." "Here as well." Illyrio Mopatis reached for his wine cup. "Yet when a guest plainly wishes to end his own life, why, his host must oblige him, no?" He took a gulp. "Magister Ordello was poisoned by a mushroom not half a year ago. The pain is not so much, I am told. Some cramping in the gut, a sudden ache behind the eyes, and it is done. Better a mushroom than a sword through your neck, is it not so? Why die with the taste of blood in your mouth when it could be butter and garlic?" The dwarf studied the dish before him. The smell of garlic and butter had his mouth watering. Some part of him wanted those mushrooms, even knowing what they were. He was not brave enough to take cold steel to his own belly, but a bite of mushroom would not be so hard. That frightened him more than he could say. "You mistake me," he heard himself say. "Is it so? I wonder. If you would sooner drown in wine, say the word and it shall be done, and quickly. Drowning cup by cup wastes time and wine both." "You mistake me," Tyrion said again, more loudly. The buttered mushrooms glistened in the lamplight, dark and inviting. "I have no wish to die, I promise you. I have …" His voice trailed off into uncertainty. What do I have? A life to live? Work to do? Children to raise, lands to rule, a woman to love? "You have nothing," finished Magister Illyrio, "but we can change that." He plucked a mushroom from the butter, and chewed it lustily. "Delicious." "The mushrooms are not poisoned." Tyrion was irritated. Tyrion at his lowest point. Foreshadowing all over, wine, poison, death. But note the line concerning what Tyrion has to live for. He will similarly have none of those things after he is defeated by Jon. But key here is Tyrion's mindset, he is destructive, bitter and intent on revenge. He won't get it, he'll find something to live for, his dragon, Sansa will make him believe she could love him, he will have a kingdom to prevent from falling under Cersei's rule and then to rule himself. But come Jon and his defeat, Tyrion will have none of that and be on the brink. Quote "Burnt," said Salladhor Saan, "and be glad of that, my friend. Do you know the tale of the forging of Lightbringer? I shall tell it to you. It was a time when darkness lay heavy on the world. To oppose it, the hero must have a hero's blade, oh, like none that had ever been. And so for thirty days and thirty nights Azor Ahai labored sleepless in the temple, forging a blade in the sacred fires. Heat and hammer and fold, heat and hammer and fold, oh, yes, until the sword was done. Yet when he plunged it into water to temper the steel it burst asunder. "Being a hero, it was not for him to shrug and go in search of excellent grapes such as these, so again he began. The second time it took him fifty days and fifty nights, and this sword seemed even finer than the first. Azor Ahai captured a lion, to temper the blade by plunging it through the beast's red heart, but once more the steel shattered and split. Great was his woe and great was his sorrow then, for he knew what he must do. This line actually applies to Tyrion. Tyrion and Dany will lose their dragons both. But Dany will not give up, she will fight and she will prove a hero. Tyrion however, will eat grapes, that is, drink wine, because in the end he's not the great hero. With everything lost, alone, broken, with a Stark bearing down on his throne, Tyrion will order something drastic, something terrible like Aegon II and his father Aerys, and prove himself the monster everyone thought he was. What he's going to order, I don't know, not really important what it is, just that that it's terrible. And here we have Sansa's motive. Like Jaime murdered Aerys for the greater good, and someone did the same to Aegon II, Sansa will step up to the plate. She will sleep with Tyrion, sacrifice her virginity, not because she likes him, or even pity, but for the greater good, for the realm. After all, Quote "Try not to sound so like a mouse, Sansa. You're a woman now, remember? And betrothed to my firstborn." The queen sipped at her wine. "Were it anyone else outside the gates, I might hope to beguile him. But this is Stannis Baratheon. I'd have a better chance of seducing his horse." She noticed the look on Sansa's face, and laughed. "Have I shocked you, my lady?" She leaned close. "You little fool. Tears are not a woman's only weapon. You've got another one between your legs, and you'd best learn to use it. You'll find men use their swords freely enough. Both kinds of swords." She'd be more likely to seduce a horse than Jon. And thus when Jon enters the capital, he finds the same situation as the other Stark who marched south at the end of the dance, Cregan. Quote Yet in one thing, Lord Stark would not be dissuaded: the betrayers and poisoners of King Aegon II must pay the price. To kill a cruel and unjust king in lawful battle was one thing. But foul murder, and the use of poison, was a betrayal against the very gods who had anointed him. As is his character, Jon will seek to do the same justice Cregan did for the poisoned king. And the who will be rather obvious. Spoiler Quote "Oh, he might. My lord father is annoyed with me for killing my last husband and putting him to all this trouble." "It was not your fault he died." "There was no one else in the bed that I recall." There will only have been one other person in the bed, foreshadowed by Myranda's misfortunes explained to Sansa in her chapters. It would be obvious to all, and excuses would not matter, reasons, the greater good, the lack of choice, the grave evil that Tyrion planned would all make no difference to Jon's cold Stark eyes. An unfortunate predicament for Sansa, should it occur, luck is on her side. Someone else there will have already lived this exact scenario. Quote Yet there came two riders on pale horses, men and mounts both armored. The destriers emerged from the blackness at a slow walk. They make no sound, Jaime realized. No splashing, no clink of mail nor clop of hoof. He remembered Eddard Stark, riding the length of Aerys's throne room wrapped in silence. Only his eyes had spoken; a lord's eyes, cold and grey and full of judgment. Jaime. Quote "You say Sansa killed him. Why protect her?" Because Joff was no more to me than a squirt of seed in Cersei's cunt. And because he deserved to die. "I have made kings and unmade them. Sansa Stark is my last chance for honor." Sansa will kill Tyrion. So why would Jaime protect her? Because Tyrion will deserve to die. And because Jaime will have kingmade Tyrion, as his parallel the Kingmaker Criston Cole made Aegon II, he will have made Tyrion in good faith, because he believed him to be the best fit to rule the realm and to keep Cersei from the crown. But in the end Tyrion will turn tyrant, and as he made him, Jaime should bear the responsibility of unmaking him. Taking responsibility, for everything, is Jaime's arc. And he swore an oath, to keep Sansa safe, on his honour. The knight in shining armour saves the almost maid. Quote "True knights." The queen seemed to find that wonderfully amusing. "No doubt you're right. So why don't you just eat your broth like a good girl and wait for Symeon Star-Eyes and Prince Aemon the Dragonknight to come rescue you, sweetling. I'm sure it won't be very long now." A true knight. Aemon is a parallel for Jaime. To spare Sansa the judgement he had to deal with for doing the right but dishonourable thing, Jaime will claim responsibility for the murder. Quote The height of folly was reached when a plump fool came capering out in gold-painted tin with a cloth lion's head, and chased a dwarf around the tables, whacking him over the head with a bladder. Finally King Renly demanded to know why he was beating his brother. "Why, Your Grace, I'm the Kinslayer," the fool said. "It's Kingslayer, fool of a fool," Renly said, and the hall rang with laughter. What is one more stain on his honour? And for it, Jon will sentence him to take the black, foreshadowing for Jaime taking the black is known but too far off topic here. Some general pieces. Quote He needed wine. A lot of wine. He seized the flagon with both hands and raised it to his lips. The wine ran red. Down his throat, down his chin. It dripped from his beard and soaked the feather bed. In the candlelight it looked as dark as the wine that had poisoned Joffrey. Quote My big mouth will be the death of me, I swear it. Quote "Stay that way. Love is madness, and lust is poison. Keep your maidenhead. Lust, poison, maidenheads. Tyrion lusts after Sansa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisdaw Posted August 22, 2016 Author Share Posted August 22, 2016 Saved for additional explanations, the strong possibility Sansa doesn't actually lose her maidenhead, for the savage giant slayer and the accursed kinslayer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Suburbs Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 10 hours ago, chrisdaw said: snip What would be Sansa's motive for killing Tyrion? He was the only Lannister, practically the only one in the entire capital, who was kind to her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Mertyns Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 20 minutes ago, John Suburbs said: What would be Sansa's motive for killing Tyrion? He was the only Lannister, practically the only one in the entire capital, who was kind to her. She never really liked him though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elisabetta Duò Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 Stretched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurid Jester Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 2 hours ago, Michael Mertyns said: She never really liked him though... So that's the justification for killing him? He was nice to her, but she never liked him? Kind of thin as far as motives go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevets Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 I can see no reason for her to have any interest whatsoever in killing Tyrion. Even with people she actively hated, such as Joffrey and Cersei, she never even fantasized about killing them. The only possible motive I can think of would be to get out of her marriage, but at least for the time being, it serves as a good excuse to avoid getting caught in the marriage plots of others. Plus, I can't see her committing murder even for that reason. The only person i can imagine her killing is Littlefinger, and that is because of what he has done to her family and her friend, as well as what he is probably planning to do to Sweetrobin and Harry the Heir. In his case, she would have solid reasons to want his death, and to actively bring it about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Yozza Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 I think this theory is a bit of a stretch and there are certain things in it that don't make sense. 1) Why would Tyrion be King? He has no claim to the throne and is supporting the Targaryen's. 2) Jon has no interest in the Throne. Why would he even be at the God's Eye to do battle? He's got bigger problems to worry about than who sits on an iron chair hundreds of miles away. 3) What possible motive would Sansa have for killing one of the few (if not the only) Lannister to be nice to her? Why would they even still be married at that point. They didn't consummate so the High Setpon can annul the marriage. I imagine this will be done whenever Aegon or Dany takes the Throne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yuzzybus Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 Just one little quibble. The poison in Sansa's hairnet is the strangler not tears of Lys. Still, poison is poison and I enjoyed reading this. It has occurred to me that Tyrion could be the giant in the GoHH prophecy. But Baelish probably fits better for sigil imagery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashes Of Westeros Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 Sansa will kill SR, Sansa will kill LF, Sansa will kill Tyrion... It becomes boring. Let's make a joint thread "Sansa will kill everybody" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SevasTra82 Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 12 hours ago, Lurid Jester said: So that's the justification for killing him? He was nice to her, but she never liked him? Kind of thin as far as motives go. I have to agree. I actually believe Sansa and Tyrion will wind up together at the end of all this. The whole "beauty and the beast" syndrome, if you will. GRRM went out of his way to not only show Tyrion being kind to Sansa, but also made sure we knew that Sansa was perplexed by his kindness. There is a reason GRRM had Sansa marry Tyrion (which is still a legal marriage as of the end of ADWD, mind you). There is a reason for all this, and I think GRRM is planting seeds for an eventual long-term union between the two. I also think Tyrions journey with Penny on the boat was GRRM's way of slowly turning Tyrion from a drunken whore-monger into something else. Call me crazy, but if you read between the lines there are plenty of subtle clues that the Sasna/Tryion relationship is far from over. and them remaining together is just my personal "hunch" on the matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hitman47 Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 Sansa will kill Gods. And she become goddess and Tyrion her God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorian Martell Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 So. Many. Assumptions. The story liberties taken in this post are grand. Most of what is posted in the OP isn't foreshadowing. But hey, assuming GRRM lives long enough to publish the next two books we will get to revisit all the threads like these to see how they hold up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 11 hours ago, Ashes Of Westeros said: Sansa will kill SR, Sansa will kill LF, Sansa will kill Tyrion... It becomes boring. Let's make a joint thread "Sansa will kill everybody" I agree. It becomes boring. Arya will kill Petyr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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