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Did Tyrion have feelings for Sansa?

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"I want her, he realized. I want Winterfell, yes, but I want her as well, child or woman or whatever she is. I want to comfort her. I want to hear her laugh. I want her to come to me willingly, to bring me her joys and her sorrows and her lust." -From Chapter 32

This sounds like Tyrion loves - or at least has genuine affections for - Sansa. I know he loved Shae, but he never wanted Shae's joys or sorrows or something along those lines, I think he just wanted Shae to satisfy his lust.

Or maybe he's just obsessed with being loved and just wants someone to love him.

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3 hours ago, shameeka said:

Or maybe he's just obsessed with being loved and just wants someone to love him.

I think so, but probably more complicated. Tyrion sympasized to Sansa, trapped in the KL and being abused and humilated, but still viewed her as a valuable asset in the War of 5 kings. When Sansa got lost during the bread riots, his first thought is about Jaime:

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Tyrion glanced round the yard. "Where's the Stark girl?"
For a moment no one answered. Finally Joffrey said, "She was riding by me. I don't know where she went."
Tyrion pressed blunt fingers into his throbbing temples. If Sansa Stark had come to harm, Jaime was as good as dead.

Though Tyrion tried to be nice to sansa and cheer her up, she never trusted him and she had her reasons. Cersei was nice to her in the beginning and it ended up bad. And Sansa isn't aware of complicated relationships between the Lannisters. I think Tyrion wanted to be appreciated for his efforts and be accepted and loved.

Besides that Tyrion used to buy women's time and attention with his money and privilege like f.e. Shae. But he can't get Sansa neither with money, nor being a nice guy. I don't really think he cares about her joys and sorrows, it's a strive to possesion.

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On August 25, 2016 at 4:50 AM, Ashes Of Westeros said:

Though Tyrion tried to be nice to sansa and cheer her up, she never trusted him and she had her reasons. Cersei was nice to her in the beginning and it ended up bad. And Sansa isn't aware of complicated relationships between the Lannisters. I think Tyrion wanted to be appreciated for his efforts and be accepted and loved.

Yes to it all, particularly the bolded. 

I think Tyrion and Sansa had a moment. They could have become something more. But I think his feelings for her were all tangled up with his need to be the kinder better Lannister. He didn't force her or anything, but that's because that wouldn't have gotten him what he wanted - her acceptance. 

He did love her, in his own way I think. 

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I think that Tyrion feels sorry for Sansa but Tysha is still the one great love of his life.  That's why the discovery of Jaime's betrayal of him is so hurtful, Tyrion thought that Tysha loved him for the same reason as all the other paid women did, because he paid them to pretend they loved him.  But Tysha actually did.  Tyrion can't relate to women in a normal way.  I think that he hoped that Sansa would love him but because Tyrion can't love himself he knows that is doomed to fail.  The only other person who has ever cared about Tyrion is Jaime.

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I think Tyrion simply wanted to be loved. Jaime was the only one who ever actually cared about Tyrion, and Tyrion is constantly trying to get that same love and affection from others.

Also have to add Tyrion not forcing himself on Sansa but "thinking about it" so that still makes him a terrible person is a ridiculous statement and terrible logic. If "thinking about" having sex with a women who doesn't want to have sex with you is a crime and automatically labels you a "rapist" anyways then every man in the known world is a terrible person. Tyrion entertained the thought (As all men do, sex is on a lot of our minds all the time) but knew it was not right so he still didn't do it, end of story.

A Line from Bronn in the TV Show actually sums up Tyrion's conflict in this situation perfectly."You wanna fuck the Stark girl, you just don't want to admit it" Tyrion is torn between trying to appeal to his father, (despite severally despising his father Tyrion still yearns for his approval and gratitude as he has never gotten it. Which is why Tywin and Kevan successfully persuade Tyrion to wed Sansa.) and doing what he thinks is right.

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1 hour ago, Adam_Up_Bxtch said:

I think Tyrion simply wanted to be loved. Jaime was the only one who ever actually cared about Tyrion, and Tyrion is constantly trying to get that same love and affection from others.

 

A Line from Bronn in the TV Show actually sums up Tyrion's conflict in this situation perfectly."You wanna fuck the Stark girl, you just don't want to admit it" Tyrion is torn between trying to appeal to his father, (despite severally despising his father Tyrion still yearns for his approval and gratitude as he has never gotten it. Which is why Tywin and Kevan successfully persuade Tyrion to wed Sansa.) and doing what he thinks is right.

And if you think about it even Bronn only cares about Tyrion because Tyrion is paying him.

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The answer is in their interaction during the wedding night - he wants her, but for reasons of self-validation and self-assurance. Initially he says something about having been married before, and Sansa is genuinely curious, but he rebuffs that. Then he does some self-deprecation... you know "fishing for compliments" routine and she feels just pity instead. And later on Sansa wonders to herself what he wants from her. He's needy. And he confuses that need with love. She was absolutely correct to mistrust him from the get go. He is kind to her, but not for genuine reasons. Otherwise he wouldn't have pulled that stunt with the escort of Cleos Frey to try and rescue Jaime. 

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Always be curious when the presence of Arbor Gold comes up in a scene as it does in the wedding night scene.  Basically when you see Arbor Gold, think lies and illusions that are so attractive the person prefers it to reality and easily drinks it down.  Tyrion prefers a pretty illusion to a honest relationship.  He's in love with the idea of being loved and thinks he just needs to be kind and gentle to Sansa.  Be he doesn't really emotionally connect with her.  At worst, he kinda wanted her to be okay with her own exploitation in a forced marriage, so as long as he got to look like her hero.  She totally does acknowledge Tyrion's good points, but she does not love or desire him, which is why he's so wounded when she says she probably would never consent to consummate it -- he never really considered she would never want him.  In a sense, even though he's older, she's emotionally more mature here.  I can completely understand why Tyrion is so needy.  He's a product of a horrific father who denied him love and acceptance at every turn, but Sansa is in the right by refusing to submit to this farce of a marriage and rejecting sex with someone she doesn't love or desire.   

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9 hours ago, Blue-Eyed Wolf said:

Always be curious when the presence of Arbor Gold comes up in a scene as it does in the wedding night scene.  Basically when you see Arbor Gold, think lies and illusions that are so attractive the person prefers it to reality and easily drinks it down.  Tyrion prefers a pretty illusion to a honest relationship.  He's in love with the idea of being loved and thinks he just needs to be kind and gentle to Sansa.  Be he doesn't really emotionally connect with her.  At worst, he kinda wanted her to be okay with her own exploitation in a forced marriage, so as long as he got to look like her hero.  She totally does acknowledge Tyrion's good points, but she does not love or desire him, which is why he's so wounded when she says she probably would never consent to consummate it -- he never really considered she would never want him.  In a sense, even though he's older, she's emotionally more mature here.  I can completely understand why Tyrion is so needy.  He's a product of a horrific father who denied him love and acceptance at every turn, but Sansa is in the right by refusing to submit to this farce of a marriage and rejecting sex with someone she doesn't love or desire.   

I completely agree with that. I think we can all understand why he's needy, but it's not 'love'. She can't fully express it, but her responses are completely normal. Tyrion himself does not truly allow for emotional nor intellectual intimacy in that scene, even before the ultimate rejection. Tyrion is indeed gulping down the lies he tells himself about it with Arbor Gold..

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Just finished (re)reading this chapter.

I think he just wants to save her. Kind of like the Hound, but I don't think he actually loves/loved her. In comparison to him, she's weak. She doesn't have any family, money, or intellectual skill to survive and I think he feels like he's capable of taking care of her.

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