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Why the hell doesn't House Baratheon have a Valyrian Steel Sword?


JWittoBeast

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They are LITERALLY FROM Valyria and they were Aegon's main supporters, yet they don't even have a Valyrian steel sword?

"House Lannister, you get Brightroar, House Stark you get Ice, House Tarly you get Heartsbane....House Baratheon? Nope you get nothing sorry, but House Targaryen gets to keep 2 Valyrian steel swords for ourselves."

 

On a side note, what would  be a cool name for it? I think "Stormbringer" would be a good name, some people say "Fury" and that would be good at the time of 1 AC but in modern day it wouldn't be too good since there is already a ship named "Fury", so "Fury the Sword" and "Fury the Ship".

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Pretty sure they Westeros swords were all sourced pre-doom. They dont have anything to do with the Targs coming to Westeros.

Keep in mind that the method to making Valyrian steel was lost in the doom, so no more can be made. That being the case, why the hell would the Targs give away one of their swords that they have no hope of ever replacing?!

Also - didnt think Lannisters ever had a Valyrian steel sword? Or did they have one and lose it? 

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27 minutes ago, dbjm said:

Pretty sure they Westeros swords were all sourced pre-doom. They dont have anything to do with the Targs coming to Westeros.

Keep in mind that the method to making Valyrian steel was lost in the doom, so no more can be made. That being the case, why the hell would the Targs give away one of their swords that they have no hope of ever replacing?!

Also - didnt think Lannisters ever had a Valyrian steel sword? Or did they have one and lose it? 

The Lannisters had Brightroar and lost it in an foolish expedition to Valyria by a Lannister king after the Doom.

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26 minutes ago, dbjm said:

Pretty sure they Westeros swords were all sourced pre-doom. They dont have anything to do with the Targs coming to Westeros.

Keep in mind that the method to making Valyrian steel was lost in the doom, so no more can be made. That being the case, why the hell would the Targs give away one of their swords that they have no hope of ever replacing?!

Also - didnt think Lannisters ever had a Valyrian steel sword? Or did they have one and lose it? 

 

okay that was MY bad. I was under the impression that Aegon came to Westeros with a shitload of Valyrian steel swords because his family knew that Valyria might be destroyed soon so they took out a bunch to make it worthwhile and they handed them out to the bannerman of Westeros.

 

But yes, House Lannister did have Brightroar but they lost it, look it up.

My point still remains, if House Lannister and other Westerosi houses get VS swords, how come House Baratheon which literally CAME from Valyria not get a single one????

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8 minutes ago, 1000th Lord Commander said:

Actually a good question. Let me add another point here.

Even presuming that Orys Baratheon had no VS sword, surely Argilac, the last Storm King, would have had one. Wouldn't he simply take his good-fathers sword after he killed him? He took his daughter, title and arms

Another thing is that Argilac was also winning wars during his reign. 

Apparently, when he was a boy he turned back a Dornish Invasion, he also led a host in the Disputed Lands and won there (IDK what he won, but he won) and he also defeated a Reach host, killing their king. 

Why didn't he get a VS from these victories either? And the Durrandons were the largest kingdom south of the Neck at one point, controlling the Stormlands, the Crownlands and the Riverlands, yet they never got a VS sword from these conquered houses?

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5 minutes ago, 1000th Lord Commander said:

Actually a good question. Let me add another point here.

Even presuming that Orys Baratheon had no VS sword, surely Argilac, the last Storm King, would have had one. Wouldn't he simply take his good-fathers sword after he killed him? He took his daughter, title and arms

I doubt it, it would have been mentioned if he did. House Durrandon never had a VS sword. It's not that uncommon that the king wouldn't have a VS sword either; Gardener, Hoare, Arryn and Martell don't have VS either.

28 minutes ago, JWittoBeast said:

My point still remains, if House Lannister and other Westerosi houses get VS swords, how come House Baratheon which literally CAME from Valyria not get a single one????

The Targaryen's settled on Dragonstone a century before the Doom occurred in 114BC. Aegon wasn't born until 27BC and Orys not long before. He was the first Baratheon and Aegon's bastard half brother. Why would he have a VS sword? They're really rare, so I somehow doubt Aenar Targaryen decided to put one of those super useful and rare swords in storage for any bastards that might come about somewhere down the line.

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1 minute ago, Adam Yozza said:

I doubt it, it would have been mentioned if he did. House Durrandon never had a VS sword. It's not that uncommon that the king wouldn't have a VS sword either; Gardener, Hoare, Arryn and Martell don't have VS either.

The Targaryen's settled on Dragonstone a century before the Doom occurred in 114BC. Aegon wasn't born until 27BC and Orys not long before. He was the first Baratheon and Aegon's bastard half brother. Why would he have a VS sword? They're really rare, so I somehow doubt Aenar Targaryen decided to put one of those super useful and rare swords in storage for any bastards that might come about somewhere down the line.

Because if the Targaryens knew that the doom would happen, they would also know that the secrets of making VS would be lost ,so they would make an investment and bring VS swords with them.

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48 minutes ago, JWittoBeast said:

Because if the Targaryens knew that the doom would happen, they would also know that the secrets of making VS would be lost ,so they would make an investment and bring VS swords with them.

We don't really know what the Targaryens knew before the Doom, whatever it was convinced them to leave Valyria, but we can's be certain they knew the Doom would happen or what the Doom would be. 

Plenty of powerful houses don't have Valyrian swords, it's not something which is a prerequisite to lordship. Of the LPs at the time of GOT, only the Starks have a Valyrian sword. Most of them seem to be in the hands of ancient houses. New houses such as the Baratheons are much less likely to have them. 

1 hour ago, JWittoBeast said:

Why didn't he get a VS from these victories either? And the Durrandons were the largest kingdom south of the Neck at one point, controlling the Stormlands, the Crownlands and the Riverlands, yet they never got a VS sword from these conquered houses?

It seems to me that it was pretty unusual for a victorious house to keep the opponent's sword. We know some Ironborn did it, as did Tywin with the Starks, but we don't have many examples of Valyrian swords changing hands in that manner. 

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I guess they just didn't bothered to buy or capture one. Valyrian swords has been around in westeros since before Aegon's landing. We see that even small houses have that kind of steel, people who took the sword in battle. They -the steel- just tend to move around in the continent. Some of them are kept as family treasures and they probably last longer in their hands, but I think that the general rule is that, apart from the family ancestral swords, valyrian steel just move around a lot.

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It's said that over 200 valyrian steel swords exist in Westeros.

It's a bummer that one of the great house like the Baratheon doesn't have it, despite Orys baratheon descending from Valyria, and that the Durrandon didn't have one either.

The seemingly richest house in Westeros only had one, and couldn't afford more.

We also never heard about valyrian steel swords from other great houses like the Tyrell, Martell, Arryn, Tully, Greyjoy and Hoare.

It's such a huge flaw for GRRM's attempt at world building that doesn't make much sense.

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1 hour ago, Schwarze Sonne said:

It's said that over 200 valyrian steel swords exist in Westeros.

It's a bummer that one of the great house like the Baratheon doesn't have it, despite Orys baratheon descending from Valyria, and that the Durrandon didn't have one either.

The seemingly richest house in Westeros only had one, and couldn't afford more.

We also never heard about valyrian steel swords from other great houses like the Tyrell, Martell, Arryn, Tully, Greyjoy and Hoare.

It's such a huge flaw for GRRM's attempt at world building that doesn't make much sense.

 

Tyrells were a servant house, basically the number 2 house in the Reach.

Martells were a petty kingdom before Nymeria, but it seems like Dorne substitutes VS for other metals (Dawn).

I was always under the impression that the Arryns were isolated, secluded basically.

Tullys were rebels under the Ironborn, not likely to have one.

Greyjoy makes sense. They reave and rape and murder EVERYONE, from the Arbor to the Wall, yet they never once found a VS sword?

Same with Hoare. They spent all that time on Harrenhal, yet never once got a VS sword.

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14 hours ago, Shouldve Taken The Black said:

We don't really know what the Targaryens knew before the Doom, whatever it was convinced them to leave Valyria, but we can's be certain they knew the Doom would happen or what the Doom would be. 

Plenty of powerful houses don't have Valyrian swords, it's not something which is a prerequisite to lordship. Of the LPs at the time of GOT, only the Starks have a Valyrian sword. Most of them seem to be in the hands of ancient houses. New houses such as the Baratheons are much less likely to have them. 

It seems to me that it was pretty unusual for a victorious house to keep the opponent's sword. We know some Ironborn did it, as did Tywin with the Starks, but we don't have many examples of Valyrian swords changing hands in that manner. 

That's the reason why Targaryens fled to Dragonstone. A member of their house talked about seeing the doom of Valyria, so their house fled to Dragonstone.

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8 minutes ago, JWittoBeast said:

 

Tyrells were a servant house, basically the number 2 house in the Reach.

Martells were a petty kingdom before Nymeria, but it seems like Dorne substitutes VS for other metals (Dawn).

I was always under the impression that the Arryns were isolated, secluded basically.

Tullys were rebels under the Ironborn, not likely to have one.

Greyjoy makes sense. They reave and rape and murder EVERYONE, from the Arbor to the Wall, yet they never once found a VS sword?

Same with Hoare. They spent all that time on Harrenhal, yet never once got a VS sword.

House Greyjoy did have one. Dalton Greyjoy captured one in his youth called NIghtfall.  Somehow it got passed to House Harlaw.

The only houses that we know bought one from Valyria was Stark and Lannister. I figure most of the rest won them via combat.

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1 hour ago, King Merrett I Frey said:

Question is who's 'they' now. Heh.

some blood related folks... for the sake of concepts like awesome and badass and anti-boredom

Orys was the swordsman of the family, Aegon and the sisters were the riders... BF or DS should be his at least for added bonus while the war lasted, nontheless he used regular steel because at the end of the day VS isn´t more than a bit sharper and lighter than regular sword and still inferior to hammers or maces in 1v1 with plate...

Yeah, Aegon and Visenya should one or the other, give their VS sword to the actual specialist (their father was dead and couldn´t bitch about his bastard) but greed is a $%&#

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