Marcus corvinus Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 Joffrey is cruel and insane even as a child. Its similar to many real life rulers. Which ruler do you think he would emulate most? 1. Ivan the terrible 2. Vlad Dracula 3. Caliluga Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GyantSpyder Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 He would probably be somewhat similar to Peter of Castille, who is remembered by some chroniclers as being a nasty monster ("Peter the Cruel"), but is remembered fondly by his allies ("Peter the Just"). It's fairy plausible his reign would also be like Peter of Castille's in several other ways - kids by a bunch of different women he maybe got bored with and abandoned one after the other or who maybe he had killed, maybe briefly overthrown and then reinstated by various factions, maybe ending up mostly by accident on the right side of some sort of big historical problem - like maybe he eventually would have had Gregor Clegane executed or opposed a purge of Free Cities natives in King's Landing by the Faith because it pissed him off, and maybe he would also have kinslayed his own brothers or cousins and eventually been murdered by one of his own family as well. He probably would have been at war fairly constantly, and domestic policy would probably large depend on his mother and later his advisors, whom he would periodically throw under the bus. I mean, all guesses, but reasonable ones. But I don't think Joffrey quite has the stones to be a true historical monster. He's too petty not smart enough - his advisors would keep him somewhat in check, at least from an external perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaywolf123 Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 He would have been glorious! ALong the lines of. Emperor Augustus of the Roman Empire King Charlemagne of Francia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Doe Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 Vlad doesn't deserve to be on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theblackdragonI Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 Emperor Nero of Rome. Insane, paranoid, delusional, cruel, powerful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Doe Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 Now that I think of it, Ivan is the answer, he was the worst of the bunch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus corvinus Posted August 30, 2016 Author Share Posted August 30, 2016 10 hours ago, John Doe said: Vlad doesn't deserve to be on here. its true, vlad was cunning and able. He did defeat the ottomans more than once and succeeded in defending romania from the far superior ottomans until mathias corvinus betrayed him. But vlad was notorious for his sadism and cruelty. Now that i think of it, Vlad could considered an amalgamation of Roose bolton and ramsay bolton. He had roose's cunning, diplomacy and subtlety combined with ramsay's bestial sadism and daredevil courage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philokles Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 10 hours ago, theblackdragonI said: Emperor Nero of Rome. Insane, paranoid, delusional, cruel, powerful. The Suetonian depiction of Nero best suits by Aerys II, with Rhaegar taking the more positive side to/interpretation of Nero's personality. Caligula would be a better fit for Joffrey, the only early Roman emperor who had few redeeming features. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus corvinus Posted August 30, 2016 Author Share Posted August 30, 2016 4 hours ago, Horse of Kent said: The Suetonian depiction of Nero best suits by Aerys II, with Rhaegar taking the more positive side to/interpretation of Nero's personality. Caligula would be a better fit for Joffrey, the only early Roman emperor who had few redeeming features. he was a good general Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus corvinus Posted August 30, 2016 Author Share Posted August 30, 2016 18 hours ago, norwaywolf123 said: He would have been glorious! ALong the lines of. Emperor Augustus of the Roman Empire King Charlemagne of Francia And Franklin Roosevent of America Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philokles Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 1 hour ago, Marcus corvinus said: he was a good general Who? Caligula? Not really, he bottled the only military campaign he came close to fighting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Universal Sword Donor Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 My money would be Alexander Litvinenko or Rasputin without the positive aspects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus corvinus Posted August 30, 2016 Author Share Posted August 30, 2016 6 hours ago, Horse of Kent said: Who? Caligula? Not really, he bottled the only military campaign he came close to fighting. well the army did love him. He was called germanicus. And the roman army admired merit and manly, charismatic leadership. Mind you rome never did have hereditary monarchy, soldiers and public weren't oathbound to cheer and admire you like in feudal monarchies. The roman empire was essentially a meritocratic military dictatorship; if you were a sloth you'd be laughed at by the urban public and mocked and ridiculed by the army Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Arthur Smith Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 I think Joffrey would be closer to the likes of Caligula, just minus the sexual appetite (though whether Joffrey is into sexual activities is unknown). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaywolf123 Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 5 hours ago, Marcus corvinus said: And Franklin Roosevent of America aswell as Winston churchill, nahatma gandhi and hiro hito Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philokles Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 47 minutes ago, Marcus corvinus said: well the army did love him. He was called germanicus. And the roman army admired merit and manly, charismatic leadership. Mind you rome never did have hereditary monarchy, soldiers and public weren't oathbound to cheer and admire you like in feudal monarchies. The roman empire was essentially a meritocratic military dictatorship; if you were a sloth you'd be laughed at by the urban public and mocked and ridiculed by the army There is a difference between being loved by the army and a good general. They initially liked him more for who his father was than any accomplishment of his own, and it was from him that he inherited the moniker Germanicus. That was also why Caligula was initially popular as emperor - for Germanicus was always better loved than Tiberius, with both the army and the people - though that did him little good in the end. But once his malignancy and incompetence became apparent, only a matter of years after his accession, pretty much everyone turned against him. As you rightly said, Rome could be ruthless to those it had no faith in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beautiful Bloody Sword Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 On August 29, 2016 at 0:40 PM, Marcus corvinus said: Joffrey is cruel and insane even as a child. Its similar to many real life rulers. Which ruler do you think he would emulate most? 1. Ivan the terrible 2. Vlad Dracula 3. Caliluga Not Vlad, he shouldn't be on the list. Their stories are quite incompatible, Vlad was a hard but fair man, a hero to some, respected by many, and feared by all. That's not Joff, in any respect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackfyre Bastard Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 Ivan the Terrible's name came to my mind before I clicked on the thread. I had no idea this was a multiple choice answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus corvinus Posted August 31, 2016 Author Share Posted August 31, 2016 16 hours ago, Beautiful Bloody Sword said: Not Vlad, he shouldn't be on the list. Their stories are quite incompatible, Vlad was a hard but fair man, a hero to some, respected by many, and feared by all. That's not Joff, in any respect. his sadism was legendary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beautiful Bloody Sword Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 4 hours ago, Marcus corvinus said: his sadism was legendary His "sadism" was tactical and necessary, and it's worst aspects were grossly inflated by the German woodcuts depicting such, inspired by the boyars that he kicked out of Wallachia. And I did say kicked out, not killed, so not so sadistic as all that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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