Stannis Eats No Peaches Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 While I agree the arse-licking was unpleasant reading, it's probably not worth being rude and throwing away the special relationship over 4 (or maybe 8, who knows?) years of Trump presidency. Why burn bridges now when we've already set fire to a really important one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hereward Posted January 27, 2017 Author Share Posted January 27, 2017 What special relationship? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stannis Eats No Peaches Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 The one May is really keen to believe in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mormont Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 This is actually one of those moments when the 'special relationship' can be taken to mean something other than desperate neediness by the UK, because Trump, believe it or not, wants something from the UK. I mean, what he wants is an invitation to tea with the Queen because he's one of those pompous idiots who think that's a big deal. But still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polishgenius Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 3 hours ago, Arakan said: Please stop putting me in the AfD corner. This is a lie. Is CSU or CDU now AfD or what? I don't think you're really an AfD guy at all. You're just so keen to keep an argument going sometimes that in that particular moment you ended up taking a position that even in the midst of it you were finding yourself having to deliberately distance yourself from them. 3 hours ago, Arakan said: Furthermore...your nitpicking because I use European and EU values interchangeably. I will not comment on this. Why not? How is it nitpicking? It's a pretty important distinction. Heck, plenty of Europe isn't even in the EU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaircat Meow Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 Trump not best pleased with Laura K's question. 'You picked this question. There goes that relationship' he says. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Horse Named Stranger Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 4 hours ago, Arakan said: Please stop putting me in the AfD corner. This is a lie. Is CSU or CDU now AfD or what? Furthermore...your nitpicking because I use European and EU values interchangeably. I will not comment on this. Is the CSU not the AfD? Listening to Seehofer or Söder, I really can't see a difference? Well, the dialect differs a bit. But on a content level, not so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luzifer's right hand Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 40 minutes ago, Notone said: Is the CSU not the AfD? Listening to Seehofer or Söder, I really can't see a difference? Well, the dialect differs a bit. But on a content level, not so much. Back in the day when Haider was still around the CSU used to be on the right of the FPÖ on a lot of issues and jumped on the anti-muslim bandwagon at least as far back as 911. It used to be a point of pride for some people that the CSU was so far right that there was no place for a legal(=non-nazi) party right of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Horse Named Stranger Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 I know, I like the Green's election posters from back then. Beckstein would also deport Jesus. Anyway, this is going off topic, and I had no and I still do have no intention of hijacking a UK politics thread. So this will be my last comment on right wing German parties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mormont Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 Incidentally, congratulations to Jeremy Corbyn for yet again finding a way to turn a victory into a fiasco. I've seen a bunch of posts on FB and Twitter explaining the excellent reasons why the leadership ordering a three line whip in favour of triggering Article 50 was a brilliant strategy, none of which address the fact that imposing a three line whip when you can't actually deliver it is always a really terrible idea. Even the whips are rebelling. You'd won, Jeremy. All you had to do was allow a free vote. The bill would have passed either way, so it didn't matter. Yet for some reason you decided to try to force a chunk of your MPs to vote against their constituents' wishes. So now the story is about how your party is divided and you can't lead it, yet again. Great strategy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werthead Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 Did we just agree to supply an authoritarian regime hundreds of millions of pounds worth of military equipment at a time when it's cracking down on its own people and inflicting human rights abuses on its citizens? I mean, we have form for this, sure, but this feels a bit of a blatant and desperate move by May. At this rate if North Korea was to offer a free trade deal, I'm not convinced she'd turn them down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Horse Named Stranger Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 For a moment I was honestly baffled, since May was in Washington. But you meant Turkey. Don't worry, you are not the only ones supplying arms to that mad man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werthead Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 24 minutes ago, Notone said: For a moment I was honestly baffled, since May was in Washington. But you meant Turkey. Don't worry, you are not the only ones supplying arms to that mad man. Yeah, she got on the plane straight from Washington DC to Ankara. Apparently she's already flown on to Latveria to discuss a new trade and arms deal with President Victor V.D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polishgenius Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 Travelling to the US for a half-hour press conference and a quick conversation makes her (and us) look right desperate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dog-days Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 5 hours ago, Werthead said: Did we just agree to supply an authoritarian regime hundreds of millions of pounds worth of military equipment at a time when it's cracking down on its own people and inflicting human rights abuses on its citizens? I mean, we have form for this, sure, but this feels a bit of a blatant and desperate move by May. At this rate if North Korea was to offer a free trade deal, I'm not convinced she'd turn them down. I would wipe away a nostalgic tear for the my childhood memories of the Arms-to-Iraq affair, but it's not as if the UK's ever stopped selling weaponry to unpleasant regimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werthead Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 Conservative MP Nadhim Zahawi, who was born in Iraq but only has British citizenship, checked with a US immigration lawyer and was told that he would not be able to enter the United States under the travel ban. Still no statement by Theresa May on the issue. Quote I would wipe away a nostalgic tear for the my childhood memories of the Arms-to-Iraq affair, but it's not as if the UK's ever stopped selling weaponry to unpleasant regimes. Oh true. I don't think that makes it okay though, or not worthy of comment or criticism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spockydog Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 1 hour ago, Werthead said: Conservative MP Nadhim Zahawi, who was born in Iraq but only has British citizenship, checked with a US immigration lawyer and was told that he would not be able to enter the United States under the travel ban. Still no statement by Theresa May on the issue. Her conduct regarding Trump has been sickening. She is a national disgrace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The BlackBear Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 1 hour ago, Werthead said: Still no statement by Theresa May on the issue. Well kind of, upon the third time of asking she deflected the question. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38784199 'Well, the United States is responsible for the United States policy on refugees' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaircat Meow Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 She's right. US immigration policy is their business, British immigration policy is ours. And given that the UK has just left the EU to have greater control over its own immigration policy it would be odd for May to criticize. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mormont Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 4 minutes ago, Chaircat Meow said: She's right. US immigration policy is their business, British immigration policy is ours. And we never ever comment on other countries' policies. Oh, no, wait, we do and indeed Theresa May herself did that today, in Turkey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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