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U.S. Elections 2016: It's Not A Lie, If YOU Believe It


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28 minutes ago, Fez said:

Which just goes to show how much of an anomaly Trump is, who clearly is seeking the Presidency simply to enrich himself and to enjoy the benefits of the office.

I don't think that's what motivates him. He's already rich enough that the amounts which can be plausibly obtained from the presidency without being indicted (i.e. the order of $100M that the Clintons got) are fairly small compared to his fortune. Likewise, the benefits of office are not worth the effort given what he already has.

Trump's approach to life strikes me as the same as those of people who play video games emphasizing achievements. Build a casino, marry a model, own an airline, court a princess... becoming president would simply be the culmination of this.

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Well, it's hard to say that he's 'rich enough' when all we have to go by is what he says.  People that are 'rich enough' don't typically need to funnel money from their campaign directly to their business for 3-10x the actual cost of services.

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17 minutes ago, aceluby said:

Well, it's hard to say that he's 'rich enough' when all we have to go by is what he says.  People that are 'rich enough' don't typically need to funnel money from their campaign directly to their business for 3-10x the actual cost of services.

People that are as rich as Trump claims don't have to try to make money off shitty branded steaks and vodka. There is nothing about Trump that is not a swindle or a lie.

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 How do you work for this guy as a campaign manager and maintain any sense of dignity? 

http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-media/2016/09/trump-tv-pools-erase-video-hotel-tour-228284?utm_source=fark&utm_medium=website&utm_content=link&ICID=ref_fark

 

What a fucking joke. I'm beginning to buy into the theory that this is just a lark for him. Just another opportunity to make a buck, nothing more.

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With Clinton back on the campaign trail, and both Obamas starting to hold events, along with the absolute joke of an event that Trump held today (which the press actually seems to be attacking him over), the next couple news cycles should be very good ones for Clinton. If her poll numbers don't start improving by the middle of next week, I will start to become very, very concerned.

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1 hour ago, Ormond said:

I don't see where I was falling victim to sexism. I was just pointing it out. Of course almost everyone who runs for President wants to be President (perhaps Gerald Ford was somewhat of an exception.) The whole point of my post was that a woman is penalized in voters' minds for this when a man is not. 

You're right. My bad, I misread your first paragraph and thought you judging Clinton when you were not.

Also, another good example is Adlai Stevenson.

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An interesting fact as per 538 is that if the race is tied, the Democrats no longer have a bank of blue states that will outperform the popular vote. In fact, the EC may be slightly tipped towards Trump, mainly because battleground states have been trending red the last few years. So if Clinton and Trump are essentially tied in national polls, I would be very concerned.....

By the way, this was around the time McCain made the "the fundamentals of the economy are sound" mistake from which he never recovered, so lets hope we arent seeing that for Clinton in reverse.

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1 hour ago, Manhole Eunuchsbane said:

 How do you work for this guy as a campaign manager and maintain any sense of dignity? 

http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-media/2016/09/trump-tv-pools-erase-video-hotel-tour-228284?utm_source=fark&utm_medium=website&utm_content=link&ICID=ref_fark

 

What a fucking joke. I'm beginning to buy into the theory that this is just a lark for him. Just another opportunity to make a buck, nothing more.

People talk about "unforced errors" from Clinton.

 

WTF is this, then?

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11 minutes ago, TerraPrime said:

People talk about "unforced errors" from Clinton.

 

WTF is this, then?

The most honest and transparent candidate to ever run for higher office cannot make gaffes. It is known!

I mean, he's so great that he magically grew an inch so that he wouldn't be medically classified as obese. 

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In a statement, Fox News Washington Bureau Chief Bryan Boughton, who is the current pool chair for the television pool, said without reporters or producers, the pool doesn't traditionally participate in an event.

 

It's fox news.  So we, like, have to assume it's wither a lie or some machiavellian attack on Clinton, right?

So hard to keep track these days.

 

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Yep.

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/01/opinion/campaign-stops/crying-wolf-then-confronting-trump.html?WT.mc_id=2016-KWP-AUD_DEV&WT.mc_ev=click&ad-keywords=AUDDEVREMARK&kwp_0=220328&kwp_4=861177&kwp_1=422274&_r=0

 

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In Commentary, Noah Rothman has repeatedly examined this subject. He wrote back in March that when “honorable and decent men” like McCain and Romney “are reflexively dubbed racists simply for opposing Democratic policies, the result is a G.O.P. electorate that doesn’t listen to admonitions when the genuine article is in their midst.”

 

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And this is a two-way street. Republicans paint a broad spectrum of Democrats as socialist kooks, and Obama has been as strong a magnet for hyperbole as any politician in my lifetime. Let us not forget Dinesh D’Souza’s 2010 book “The Roots of Obama’s Rage,” or Newt Gingrich’sassertion that “only if you understand Kenyan, anticolonial behavior” can you grasp Obama’s method of governing, or Trump’s insistence that Obama produce his American birth certificate.

The sad truth is that we conduct the bulk of our political debate in a key of near-hysteria. And this renders complaints of discrepant urgency, about politicians of different recklessness, into one big, ignorable mush of partisan rancor.

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“It doesn’t mean that you somehow retrospectively agree with their positions on issues,” he added. “But when the system confronts an actual, honest-to-God menace, it should compel some rethinking on our part about how we describe people who are far short of that.”

“We should take stock of this moment,” he said, “and recognize that our language really needs to be more accountable and more appropriate to the circumstances.” I hope we do.

 

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Swordfish (I won't quote your post lest the fucked up formatting persist) if Republicans think their Presidential candidates have been unfairly labelled bigots, maybe they should stop pushing discriminatory social  policies and trying to disenfranchise minority voters. Just a thought. 

And fuck this notion that John McCain is honorable or decent. He's an opportunistic spoiled shit who built a mythology around himself and sold off his credibility by endorsing Bush in 2004 and foisting Sarah Fucking Palin on us. Fuck John McCain.

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1 minute ago, DanteGabriel said:

Swordfish (I won't quote your post lest the fucked up formatting persist) if Republicans think their Presidential candidates have been unfairly labelled bigots, maybe they should stop pushing discriminatory social  policies and trying to disenfranchise minority voters. Just a thought. 

Ino, rite.  It's not like they listened before.  Swordfish - show me where the Republicans have cleaned up their act when they get called on their bigoted shit.  If you want to make a case that [ep[;e have been "crying wolf" then you surely can show where all the townsfolk came out to help fight the wol - be it real or false.  

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17 minutes ago, The Mance said:

Yep, real.  Just watched it on Hardball.

Yeah, I followed the Googles to to the source. That tweet doesn't include context (I guess Trump is commenting on a recent Hillary statement wherein she said that guns don't keep you safe) Not that this excuses his statement.

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