Iron Mother Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 After Joff....... and impossibly followed by Ramsay..... could Euron Crowseye be the next GOT Torturer Supreme? Clearly the show believes it needs this element. So, based on what we already know of the 'Crowseye' and what was released in new chapters of WoW, will this come to pass? "...the sound of an iron hinge..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashes Of Westeros Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 I agree that Euron is our next bad bad guy. And don't forget Cersei. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon's Queen Consort Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 Obviously Dany. The woman who killed people for no reason, who ordered the death of children and who ordered the torture of children. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCasualObserver Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 On 9/17/2016 at 8:55 AM, Iron Mother said: After Joff....... and impossibly followed by Ramsay..... could Euron Crowseye be the next GOT Torturer Supreme? Clearly the show believes it needs this element. So, based on what we already know of the 'Crowseye' and what was released in new chapters of WoW, will this come to pass? "...the sound of an iron hinge..." It's a bit depressing how absolutely right you are. You would think an apocalyptic ice zombie horde and their overlord would be enough threat... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byfort of Corfe Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 The Euron/Cersei/Mountain cabal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Mother Posted September 20, 2016 Author Share Posted September 20, 2016 3 hours ago, Byfort of Corfe said: The Euron/Cersei/Mountain cabal. the show has dropped the gratuitous sex and nudity for the most part. but as for the grim torment portrayed in vivid detail, the show leans heavily on this element to make people focus on how much they hate a character... as if we need rape or dismemberment or flaying. Since Euron Crowseye has already been shown to be a "demonic" ruiner of even younger siblings (brother Aeron is a destroyed mess over Euron's treatment of him and yet another Kraken brother) and now brings all these exotic drugs, priests, weapons, etc from all over the world? It's safe to say we'll get possibly the scariest/most sickening violence in the coming seasons we've seen thus far. Is it really necessary? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khal drogon Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Not sure about show Euron though he could be if they decided to follow a certain chapter. Cersei has already started her tormenting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonSnow4President Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 I'd hope we move onto a different kind of villain than the EVIL! Sadist tormentor. It is very tired out after 6 seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khal drogon Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 9 minutes ago, JonSnow4President said: I'd hope we move onto a different kind of villain than the EVIL! Sadist tormentor. It is very tired out after 6 seasons. The books already have a more sadistic Euron and Cersei. I don't think the show writers would give up a chance to better themselves after Joffery and Ramsay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonSnow4President Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 8 minutes ago, khal drogon said: The books already have a more sadistic Euron and Cersei. I don't think the show writers would give up a chance to better themselves after Joffery and Ramsay. They're not sadists for sadists sake. Cersei actually gets emotionally sick wondering what happens to the people she gives to Qyburn, but she compartmentalizes it and moves on. Euron is interesting to say the least. While my guess is they're a little too over the top, I am a fan of poorquentyn's (tumblr) theories about Euron being a Bloodraven pimple gone wrong who is trying to use blood sacrifice to make himself powerful enough to attain god status by controlling one of Dany's dragons as well as the Others. (I'm not good at explaining it, but it fits in very well with all the text we have to date). It gives the sadism purpose, rather than merely being for sadism's sake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoreOrLess Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Cersei perhaps doesn't have the stomach to actually inflict direct physical torment on people but the end of last season cealy does show that she now has the desire to do more than just kill her enemies. I wouldn't be surprised if Jamie steps in and mercy kills the Septa(or gives her the means to commit suicide) rather than let the Mountain carry on and this further pushes a failing out between him and Cersei. I could also see Cersei becoming ever more brutal making examples out of anyone who protests against her rule via mas executions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanF Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 I'm sure Cersei intends to have lots of fun with Unella. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A spoon of knife and fork Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Cersei certainly. She is already deriving pleasure from Torturing Unella. She will find others to get the same high once she's gone. I don't care one whit about Euron, whether we're talking about the books or the show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoreOrLess Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 I'm not sure Cersei really gets the high purely from inflicting torture on someone the way Joffery and Ramsay did to people who hadn't wronged them al all, she doesn't afterall even stay to watch whatever awfulness the Gregor is going to inflict on her. I'd say its more about "beating" someone who has gotten the better of her in the past, just killing Unella who is happy to be martyred and thinks she's heading straight to the afterlife isn't enough to do that. I'm guessing Cersei will keep on trying to get her to renounce her faith in return for a quick death or simply look to torture her to the degree it destroys her personality/sanity that could be carried into an afterlife. Again my guess would be Jamie finding out about it and doing something to end her suffering will be a further step on the path of their estrangement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meera of Tarth Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Maybe there won't be any more sadism in the show. Is it necessary to have another one? I don't understand why would they be interested in doing the same stuff over and over unless the audience likes it; which is a creepy thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cridefea Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 2 hours ago, Meera of Tarth said: Maybe there won't be any more sadism in the show. Is it necessary to have another one? I don't understand why would they be interested in doing the same stuff over and over unless the audience likes it; which is a creepy thought. I think the audience likes it not only in the show but in the books too. Even if the show sometimes has exaggerated it, imho. For me, Cersei. Euron in the second place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Mother Posted September 22, 2016 Author Share Posted September 22, 2016 On 9/19/2016 at 10:29 PM, JonSnow4President said: I'd hope we move onto a different kind of villain than the EVIL! Sadist tormentor. It is very tired out after 6 seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Mother Posted September 22, 2016 Author Share Posted September 22, 2016 Only from the book series can anyone understand what the Crowseye is capable of. Cercei may be now in full acceptance of her anger and releasing it without a heart, and in full since what was done to her by the Sept. However, Euron is a madness unto himself. If he is portrayed to even half truth (unlike the sand snakes and everything from Dorne - 100% non-truth) it could get pretty ugly with him. Having thought about it, i now believe the above may happen. He will be filler and we will not see the Euron Greyjoy of the books. Sadly. Not because I want sadism but because the potential for the character was large... but only in the context of him and the Iron Borne as a whole. I do not believe the show will delve into the Iron Borne at any further length than it has - with total focus on Theon and Asha. Euron will be hollow. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lordsteve666 Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 Well KL looks to be going for a full on house of evil with Cersei, Qyburn and Z-Mountain in power. That's a crazed, paranoid, mass-murdering psychopath on the throne with a necromancer/torturer/"surgeon" as an advisor and a zombie-rapist-murder as a bodyguard. Can't see things getting much worse down there to be honest! Euron is going to be interesting as I thought he was a bit weak sauce if I'm honest, not the badass I was expecting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cridefea Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 2 hours ago, Lordsteve666 said: Well KL looks to be going for a full on house of evil with Cersei, Qyburn and Z-Mountain in power. That's a crazed, paranoid, mass-nude ring psychopath on the throne with a necromancer/torturer/"surgeon" as an advisor and a zombie-rapist-murder as a bodyguard. Can't see things getting much worse down there to be honest! Euron is going to be interesting as I thought he was a bit weak sauce if I'm honest, not the badass I was expecting. LoL I agree! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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