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Just ... perfect.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-height-obese_us_57eeb42ee4b0c2407cddca9f

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Alicia Machado or any other woman worried what Donald Trump might think of their “plumpness” should just do what he did: Get taller.

That’s apparently what the GOP presidential nominee has managed over the past year, going from the 6-foot-2 that had long been his claimed height to 6-foot-3, his stature according to his physician, Harold Bornstein, following a Sept. 9 exam.

Perhaps coincidentally, that extra inch lets Trump escape the obesity label that being merely 6-foot-2 would have saddled him with. Using the National Institutes of Health body mass index calculator, Trump’s 236 pounds (also according to Bornstein’s note) would have given him a BMI of 30.3 – just over the threshold qualifying him as “obese.”

The calculation using the 6-foot-3 height gives Trump a BMI of 29.5 – close to “obese,” but still technically just “overweight.”

(Even the 6-foot-2 claim, though, could be a stretch. Compared to former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, who is 6-foot-4, Trump is significantly shorter, perhaps three inches or more.)

 

 

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Listen, Dr Borstein's a gastroenterologist. We can't question his authority. Next you'll be saying Dr Borstein simply signs anything his own patient puts in front of him.

Just for your further edification:

 

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The whole 5% chance of Trump appointing a conservative SC justice is just a wrong assumption, imo.

The percentage chance you should look at is what percentage chance is there that Trump will appoint a conservative SC justice for free. Given what we know of how he operates and how his mind works, the answer is zero.

Also, while there's a decent chance he'll simply auction them for money, there are other possibilities. The oversight ability and responsibility of Congress is very important. Trump could use the the SC justice nominations to force Congress to be derelict in this duty. This is especially funny/disturbing because some conservatives are using Congress oversight as an excuse to vote for Trump. Now, this is also assuming a Republican dominated congress doesn't just roll over like dogs, as did the infamous rubberstamp Congress of Bush.

And that's just one way Trump might use the nominations as a club. We're assuming there will be like 2 or 3 of them next term due to retirements. Trump loves to negotiate and dominate. (He seems to see them as the same thing) After getting the maximum amount he can for the first justice, of whatever he wants, he will then start over again the next time a nomination comes up.

If there's a Democrat Congress, either this next term or in 2 years, there's even a chance he'll bargain it away to the Democrats. He's not really a Republican. He's part of the Trump party.

Conservatives have made the entire world aware how they get hard over SC justice nominations. This is a mistake, because you've told Trump how to enslave the entire conservative movement and their congress members.

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39 minutes ago, Manhole Eunuchsbane said:

 Have you guys seen #ALTRIGHTSTARWARS? Pretty funny stuff...

 https://twitter.com/hashtag/altrightstarwars?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^hashtag

Half of it seems like people making fun of the alt right, and the other half seems to be the alt right using Star Wars memes.

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3 minutes ago, White Walker Texas Ranger said:

Half of it seems like people making fun of the alt right, and the other half seems to be the alt right using Star Wars memes.

 Yeah, it's all very The Empire Strikes Back. Either the Righty posters didn't get the joke, or they couldn't stomach the abuse and decided they had to fire back. 

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4 hours ago, Martell Spy said:

The whole 5% chance of Trump appointing a conservative SC justice is just a wrong assumption, imo.

The percentage chance you should look at is what percentage chance is there that Trump will appoint a conservative SC justice for free. Given what we know of how he operates and how his mind works, the answer is zero.

Also, while there's a decent chance he'll simply auction them for money, there are other possibilities. The oversight ability and responsibility of Congress is very important. Trump could use the the SC justice nominations to force Congress to be derelict in this duty. This is especially funny/disturbing because some conservatives are using Congress oversight as an excuse to vote for Trump. Now, this is also assuming a Republican dominated congress doesn't just roll over like dogs, as did the infamous rubberstamp Congress of Bush.

And that's just one way Trump might use the nominations as a club. We're assuming there will be like 2 or 3 of them next term due to retirements. Trump loves to negotiate and dominate. (He seems to see them as the same thing) After getting the maximum amount he can for the first justice, of whatever he wants, he will then start over again the next time a nomination comes up.

If there's a Democrat Congress, either this next term or in 2 years, there's even a chance he'll bargain it away to the Democrats. He's not really a Republican. He's part of the Trump party.

Conservatives have made the entire world aware how they get hard over SC justice nominations. This is a mistake, because you've told Trump how to enslave the entire conservative movement and their congress members.

What a ludicrous set of scenarios.  Trump is not remotely interested in the small details of governing.  This is the man that reached out to John Kasich and offered him complete control over both foreign and domestic policy.  Trump wants to be president because being the most powerful man in the world appeals to his ego.  He has no actual governing agenda.

I'm not sure how you people think Trump is going to auction off a supreme court seat or who in the world would buy it.  All Trump can do is nominate someone for the court.  The senate has to approve the choice and they won't do that if they don't like the nominee.  What qualified supreme court candidate would be willing to torpedo their legal career by even appearing to buy a SC seat?

I'm not sure what sort of bargain you think Trump would strike with Democrats for a SC seat.  The man has no governing agenda. Do you think Democrats are going to agree to build a wall or ban Muslims if he gives them a supreme court seat?  Especially considering the only way they can get a seat is if the republicans agree to it.

Trump really only has one option for leverage against Republicans and that is refusing to nominate anyone all.

If Trump wins the election his main bargaining chip, his support from the electorate, loses most of its value.  Trump is the Republican Party's only shot at the presidency this election cycle, however if he wins the presidency that is no longer the case.

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Trump really only has one option for leverage against Republicans and that is refusing to nominate anyone all.

 

That's exactly my point. If he refuses to nominate anyone, the court stays at a 4-4 split. Trump could care less if this happens. But conservatives would be suffering to know they have the Presidency and aren't getting their court pick. That puts all the power in Trump's hands. Which makes it a powerful bargaining chip he is certain to use. 

The other possible scenario is Donald Trump as a man of honor keeps his promise to Republicans. Haha, good luck with that.

Obviously any deals would not be announced to the public.

 

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If Trump wins the election his main bargaining chip, his support from the electorate, loses most of its value.  Trump is the Republican Party's only shot at the presidency this election cycle, however if he wins the presidency that is no longer the case.

There isn't an election for four years. That's a very long time.

 

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What a ludicrous set of scenarios.  Trump is not remotely interested in the small details of governing.  This is the man that reached out to John Kasich and offered him complete control over both foreign and domestic policy.  Trump wants to be president because being the most powerful man in the world appeals to his ego.  He has no actual governing agenda.

Trumps agenda is to personally enrich his family.

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29 minutes ago, Martell Spy said:

 

That's exactly my point. If he refuses to nominate anyone, the court stays at a 4-4 split. Trump could care less if this happens. But conservatives would be suffering to know they have the Presidency and aren't getting their court pick. That puts all the power in Trump's hands. Which makes it a powerful bargaining chip he is certain to use. 

The other possible scenario is Donald Trump as a man of honor keeps his promise to Republicans. Haha, good luck with that.

Obviously any deals would not be announced to the public.

 

There isn't an election for four years. That's a very long time.

 

Trumps agenda is to personally enrich his family.

 

You're missing my point. Four years is a long time. The Republican leadership would be delighted if Trump decided to mess with the Supreme Court nominations.  It means we would have 3 and 1/2 years of President Pence.

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You're missing my point. Four years is a long time. The Republican leadership would be delighted if Trump decided to mess with the Supreme Court nominations.  It means we would have 3 and 1/2 years of President Pence.

 

It takes 67 Senators to actually remove a President. Good luck with that. You'll be stuck with your awful mistake if he's elected. The impeachment of Bill Clinton ended Newt's career. How well will the public take a party attempting to impeach their own president?

That's a great endorsement for your candidate, btw. Don't worry, we can impeach him!

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Not my candidate.  I've no intention of voting for Trump.

And you don't actually need 67 senators to impeach a president, you just need 2/3 of those present.  I don't see any democratic senators opposing an impeachment and last I checked there were 6 Republican Senators on the record as being unwilling to vote for Trump and three more who haven't decided.  Add in the Republican Senators who endorsed Trump but clearly loath him (Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, John McCain, etc) and you're practically up to 2/3s.

As far as the public goes, I think the Democratic voters would be thrilled to get rid of Trump and if he messes around with the SC nominees large portions of Republican voters are going to demand his head on a pike.   There's zero question in my mind that if Donald Trump gets elected Republicans will get their SC nominees.  Whether or not Democrats will allow any SC nominees to be confirmed considering recent Republican SC shenanigans is an open question. 

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