King Behind The Wall Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 Is this a co-incidence that none of the POV characters, except for Jon, are bastards? In fact except for prologue POVs, all of the POVs are highborn. Jon is the only exception. So the question is, is he an exception to this rule? Davos was originally a lowborn. But even House Seaworth is now an official noble house in the Stormlands. None of the prologue POVs are bastards either. Varamyr was a wildling, so he can neither be a highborn, lowborn or a bastard. Those labels don't apply to freefolk. Will, Chett and Pate were lowborns but not explicitly stated as bastards. Jon is not a prologue POV. Every other POV like him is a highborn. So is he a highborn too? It would seem odd if only one POV character happens to be a bastard. R+L=J being the most plausible theory, would that mean that Rhaegar and Lyanna were married and Jon is a legit Targ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon's Queen Consort Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 Jon most likely isn't a bastard but a trueborn. On the other hand some people believe that Tyrion is a bastard. Also we don't know if Mel is trueborn or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorpion92 Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 I believe Jaime and Cersei are Mad King's bastards, but you are right, only Jon grew up in bastard status. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Behind The Wall Posted September 30, 2016 Author Share Posted September 30, 2016 1 minute ago, Jon's Queen Consort said: Jon most likely isn't a bastard but a trueborn. On the other hand some people believe that Tyrion is a bastard. Also we don't know if Mel is trueborn or not. Mel could be a trueborn too. We don't know for sure. She was almost certainly a slave but even an abandoned or orphaned highborn child could lang up in that situation. As for Tyrion, that would be interesting for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philokles Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 Areo Hotah is not a member of the nobility. You can't have it both ways with Davos and Mel - either you are judging by birth or by current status. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winter prince Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 Jon is a bastard POV no matter what. Even if he gets a revelation as to his true parentage, it doesn't change the fact he was bastard for the first 4 books that had his POV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kienn Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 Jon, Tyrion, Dany. The bastard has 3 heads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maegiithefrog Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 4 hours ago, Kienn said: Jon, Tyrion, Dany. The bastard has 3 heads. Ding ding ding! Winner! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Behind The Wall Posted October 3, 2016 Author Share Posted October 3, 2016 On 9/30/2016 at 5:04 PM, Horse of Kent said: Areo Hotah is not a member of the nobility. You can't have it both ways with Davos and Mel - either you are judging by birth or by current status. But Hotah is not a bastard either. Also, Mel may or may not be a highborn. We don't know her parentage for sure. Davos is not a bastard either and now technically he is from a noble house. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philokles Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 Mel may have been a highborn, but is no longer deemed noble. Davos was not born into the nobility but raised into it. You are using two contradictory definitions of nobility to get the answer you want. And that with no evidence that Mel is indeed highborn. As for Jon being the only recognised bastard POV, you are right. As for what that implies? That in the majority of cases it is trueborn members of the nobility whose lives are the most interesting to read about, on account of their privileges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lyman Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 Jon is the only acknowledge bastard, but there are a few other characters, that wouldn't be considered highborn either. Areo Hotah. was sold off to the Bearded Priest of Norvos and then traveled with Mellario to Dorne, where he joined Doran's services. Sounds more like he came from a poor family who needed money. Davos Seaworth was an smuggler who turned into a landed knight for his services to Stannis. The creation of House Seaworth does not in any way make him Highborn. Like Areo, Melisandre was sold off at a young age. This time to the Red Temple. She even recalls being on the auction block. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Behind The Wall Posted October 4, 2016 Author Share Posted October 4, 2016 Maybe highborn was not the right choice of word. Nobility might be more suitable. But you get the point. Is Jon secret nobility too? Is that too much of co incidence that he is the only acknowledged bastard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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