Cliffhangers: What happened to...?

[Greywater-Watch]

There are some "Cliffhangers" in the series, characters/storylines seemingly important, but that have not had an appearance through (most of) ADWD.

Which are these ones? Which ones will be of importance, will some be dead ends?

I recollect from my memory:

Oldtown (AFFC, Samwell V):

• Samwell Tarly becoming a Maester and not talking about Daenerys to other archmaesters?

• Gilly and Mance Ryder’s son waiting on the  boat to be transported to Hornhill

• Archmaester Marwyn leaving for Mereen to find Daenerys

• Unclear identity of Alleras (maybe  = Sarella, Oberyn’s daughter)?

• Pate, having been killed by the Alchemist (probably a Faceless Man, possibly Jaquen H’ghar?), but then this „Pate“ reappears (maybe in fact Jaquen H’gar) with the intent to steal some precious Valyrian scrolls with the key he got from Paten?

Rickon Stark/Osha (ACOK Bran VII):

• Both separating from Bran/Jojen/Meera/Hodor, heading for unknown destination;
• Story line picked up somehow with Davos and Lord Wyman Manderly to bring Rickon back from Skagos (ADWD, Davos IV)

Varamyr Sixskins (Prologue ADWD)

Brynden Tully = „The Blackfish“ (AFFC, Jaime VII)

• escaped from Riverrun

Jaime Lannister leaving in the Riverlands with Brienne of Tarth (ADWD, Jaime I)

• probably to meet Lady Stoneheart

[Ashes Of Westeros]

Where is Edric Storm?

Where is Ned Dayne?

Who is the dusky woman of Victarion?

Who killed Bolton's men in Winterfell?

[Clegane'sPup]

6 hours ago, Greywater-Watch said:

Brynden Tully = „The Blackfish“ (AFFC, Jaime VII)

• escaped from Riverrun

Jaime Lannister leaving in the Riverlands with Brienne of Tarth (ADWD, Jaime I)

• probably to meet Lady Stoneheart

These two!!!  I’m looking forward to eventually finding out this plays out.  Sometimes I think BF is making his way back to the Bloody Gate ending up there in time for the tourney. It would be an extremely difficult journey though.

Other times I think he is making his way to the Neck hoping to meet up Howland, Lady Mormont & G. Glover.  It nags at me that the other Mormont woman showed up in time to help Stannis with the Ironborn when the Ironborn were retreating from Deepwood.

Then there is Lady Stoneheart, Jaime & Brienne. Hummmmm. That singer who was hanging out at/near RR. Does anyone remember which group he claimed allegiance to?

Anyway, if BF somehow meets up with LS’s group what a shock it would be when he realizes she is Cat. If he runs into Brienne & Jaime before they reach LS me tinks there will be a sword fight.

Something big is gonna happen one way or another. I just can’t see Brienne turning Jaime over to LS. The Brienne & Jaime thing is sketchy because they both know that the Arya that married Ramsey is a fake and they both know Sansa escaped KL.

[Clegane'sPup]

5 hours ago, Ashes Of Westeros said:

Where is Edric Storm?

Davos has thoughts about Edric in DwD c. 15 and c.19, but other than that I know nothing.

Some nights he thought he had been left to rescue Edric Storm … but by now King Robert's bastard boy was safe in the Stepstones, yet Davos still remained.

Edric Storm, thought Davos, but I sent him far away across the narrow sea, to keep him safe from Melisandre's fires.

[Ser Scott Malkinson]

7 hours ago, Greywater-Watch said:

Varamyr Sixskins (Prologue ADWD)

He dieded.

Loras Tyrell? Last we hear of him he's been badly burnt during the storming of Dragonstone, but many seem to think this never happened. Is he still alive? Where is he? What happened to him? What is he up to?

 

6 hours ago, Ashes Of Westeros said:

Where is Edric Storm?

Where is Ned Dayne?

Who is the dusky woman of Victarion?

Who killed Bolton's men in Winterfell?

The last two I'd call mysteries, not cliffhangers. Plus, they were quite extensively covered in Dance. And didn't Mance's spearwifes kill Bolton's men? I thought they specifically said they didn't kill Little Walder (so there's still that mystery) but kinda indicated that they DID kill the other men. Not sure though, been a while since I read it.

[dariopatke]

2 hours ago, Ser Scott Malkinson said:

And didn't Mance's spearwifes kill Bolton's men? I thought they specifically said they didn't kill Little Walder (so there's still that mystery) but kinda indicated that they DID kill the other men. Not sure though, been a while since I read it.

And it is very likely that Big Walder killed Little Walder so that isnt that much of a mistery.

[The North Forgot]

4 hours ago, Clegane'sPup said:

Then there is Lady Stoneheart, Jaime & Brienne. Hummmmm. That singer who was hanging out at/near RR. Does anyone remember which group he claimed allegiance to?

I thought it was pretty much confirmed that singer is Tom O'Sevens, which would explain the way Edmure reacted when he saw him. Also this gives the Brotherhood a spy in the Lannister camp, which I believe will be very important early on in Winds of Winter.

Also I believe the whole story of Loras being severly injured is an exaggeration at best, maybe even an outright lie. I think the story was made up to cover the tracks of some Tyrell scheming, meeting with Aegon maybe?

[Nevets]

Some thoughts on the items mentioned

Oldtown:  This isn't really a cliffhanger, as it will take time to settle.  Jaqen (or whoever) is probably looking for hidden info on dragons, although other possibilities exist, such as hiding or destroying info on the FM.  Alleras is clearly Sarella Sand.  The question is, what is she up to?  And what will happen regarding Euron?

Rickon/Davos:  Many readers assume that Davos will make a quick out and back to pick up Rickon.  i doubt it.  I think he winds up at Hardhome, and ultimately ends up in the Far North, maybe with Rickon, maybe not.  But I doubt Rickon is going to see the South side of the Wall for a while.  

Edric Storm:  I think Edric has been shrink-wrapped so he can be the heir to Storm's End.

Ned Dayne:  The Brotherhood appears to have split after Beric's (permanent) death.  Ned seems to have left.  I can see anything from complete obscurity, wielding Dawn, or becoming a romantic interest for Arya, and just about everything in between.

Blackfish;  I've seen speculation that he intends to attempt a rescue of Jeyne Westerling and/or Edmure Tully.  If so, it is likely to end in disaster, considering the lack of time to prepare and the size of the escort.  It's clear, though, that he intends to cause trouble and we haven't seen the last of him.

Jaime/Brienne:  Anything is possible.  This is definitely one of the most anticipated story lines for TWOW.

[Aedam Targaryen]

I'm very interested to find out about Loras. It seems obvious that there is something going on behind the Tyrell scenes, I'm excited to find out what it is. 

It also seemed obvious to me that Lady Merryweather was fucking with Cersei, I'm looking forward to see who she is working with/for. 

[Moving Watch]

On 4.10.2016 at 1:43 PM, Greywater-Watch said:

• Archmaester Marwyn leaving for Mereen to find Daenerys

This. All the rest has arrived at or near Slaver's Bay or turned back to Westeros resp. - where's Marwyn go to?

I always thought him to be the "dark flame" from Quaithe's prophecy because of that obsidian candle in his room, but obviously it refers to Moqorro?

[Eden-Mackenzie]

On October 4, 2016 at 6:43 AM, Greywater-Watch said:

There are some "Cliffhangers" in the series, characters/storylines seemingly important, but that have not had an appearance through (most of) ADWD.

Which are these ones? Which ones will be of importance, will some be dead ends?

I recollect from my memory:

Varamyr Sixskins (Prologue ADWD)

Varamyr was attacked by wights, and as his body was dying he left it and entered his lead wolf. Later Bran-as-Summer encounters Varamyr's pack and both Bran and Varamyr recognize each other as wargs. Summer eventually defeats Varamyr's wolves, and they're now Summer's pack. 

[aryagonnakill#2]

Jaime/Brienne/Lady Stoneheart is the biggest cliffhanger in my mind.  I have no idea what's going to happen, and it seems almost impossible that a major character won't die.

Jon is obviously a big one but I am very confident that he is dead and will be for a little while, I also believe his body will be in an ice cell for a time.  What exactly happens at the wall during that time though is much harder to predict.

With Jeyne Westerling in the prologue it does seem that some type of rescue attempt will be made, but have others have suggested it will likely end in disaster as Jaime doubled the guard at the last minute and has multiple bowmen ready to kill Edmure and Jeyne at the first sign of trouble.  This is not necessarily a bad thing for the Riverlands or the Starks.  Edmure's death frees up the BF to take command and ultimately makes the Stark kids the lords/ladies of RR and HH.  

Whether Danaerys takes immediate control of the Khalasar or is initially captured is a cliffhanger although it doesn't seem to really matter if the end result is the same, she gets a khalasar.

The battle of Mereen is definitely a cliffhanger with the dragon horn hanging over it.  We still don't know for sure what is going to happen if/when it's blown, and if everyone will survive the battle or not.

The battle of Ice is the last cliffhanger I can think of.  The Theon sample chapter changes it greatly so I can't just ignore that.  I think Stannis wins using some version of the night lamp theory with the Freys drowning in the lake and the Manderlys joining Stannis.

[Jon Fossoway]

On 4/10/2016 at 8:43 AM, Greywater-Watch said:

There are some "Cliffhangers" in the series, characters/storylines seemingly important, but that have not had an appearance through (most of) ADWD.

Which are these ones? Which ones will be of importance, will some be dead ends?

I recollect from my memory:

Oldtown (AFFC, Samwell V):

• Samwell Tarly becoming a Maester and not talking about Daenerys to other archmaesters?

• Gilly and Mance Ryder’s son waiting on the  boat to be transported to Hornhill

• Archmaester Marwyn leaving for Mereen to find Daenerys

• Unclear identity of Alleras (maybe  = Sarella, Oberyn’s daughter)?

• Pate, having been killed by the Alchemist (probably a Faceless Man, possibly Jaquen H’ghar?), but then this „Pate“ reappears (maybe in fact Jaquen H’gar) with the intent to steal some precious Valyrian scrolls with the key he got from Paten?

Rickon Stark/Osha (ACOK Bran VII):

• Both separating from Bran/Jojen/Meera/Hodor, heading for unknown destination;
• Story line picked up somehow with Davos and Lord Wyman Manderly to bring Rickon back from Skagos (ADWD, Davos IV)

Varamyr Sixskins (Prologue ADWD)

Brynden Tully = „The Blackfish“ (AFFC, Jaime VII)

• escaped from Riverrun

Jaime Lannister leaving in the Riverlands with Brienne of Tarth (ADWD, Jaime I)

• probably to meet Lady Stoneheart

Pate's POV doesn't end in a cliffhanger, IMO. He dies. What kind of cliffhanger would that be. At most, we could wonder about  the man he gave the key to.

The last Asha POV ends with a very cool cliffhanger (conveniently continued in a Theon Winds chapter).

Somewhere ahead Roose Bolton awaited them behind the walls of Winterfell, but Stannis Baratheon’s host sat snowbound and unmoving, walled in by ice and snow, starving.

[Curled Finger]

I have to go beyond the epilogue of ADWD with my cliffhangers because those chapters are out there.  However,  I have to give high marks to Jamie & Jon's stories after ADWD.   After those we've got everything happening in the Reach, Riverlands and Neck.  Will Barristan Selmy survive the battle in Mereen?   Does Penny have an illness?   What will Jorah do if he survives?   I'm totally looking forward to all things Greyjoy and Stannis in TWOW.   Which way will Aegon go after the Stormlands?   What happens to Tommen's rule and the High Sparrow's hostages once the epilogue events are known?  King's Landing is about to become a very interesting place with The Sandsnakes coming to town.  What is Darkstar's game, exactly?   Where the hell are Ned Dayne and Edric Storm?  What are Marwyn & Moqorro's intentions toward Dany?   And yeah, where are Gilly and the baby?    I'm as eager for the immediate battles in Westeros as Mereen.  I can't stand the waiting for Bran and Euron.   There are so many lose ends and its been so long...

[kissdbyfire]

On 4 October 2016 at 3:38 PM, Ser Scott Malkinson said:

He dieded.

Loras Tyrell? Last we hear of him he's been badly burnt during the storming of Dragonstone, but many seem to think this never happened. Is he still alive? Where is he? What happened to him? What is he up to?

 

The last two I'd call mysteries, not cliffhangers. Plus, they were quite extensively covered in Dance. And didn't Mance's spearwifes kill Bolton's men? I thought they specifically said they didn't kill Little Walder (so there's still that mystery) but kinda indicated that they DID kill the other men. Not sure though, been a while since I read it.

I'm very curious to see what's going on with  Loras...  As to the Walder Frey boys, maybe that's not a mystery since there are hints that BW killed LW. Agree on the spearwives having killed the others. Always thought Rowan overreacts a bit to Theon's accusation.

From Dance, Theon:

“Even the godswood was turning white. A film of ice had formed upon the pool beneath the heart tree, and the face carved into its pale trunk had grown a mustache of little icicles. At this hour they could not hope to have the old gods to themselves. Rowan pulled Theon away from the northmen praying before the tree, to a secluded spot back by the barracks wall, beside a pool of warm mud that stank of rotten eggs. Even the mud was icing up about the edges, Theon saw. “Winter is coming …”
Rowan gave him a hard look. “You have no right to mouth Lord Eddard’s words. Not you. Not ever. After what you did—”
“You killed a boy as well.”
“That was not us. I told you.”
“Words are wind.” They are no better than me. We’re just the same. “You killed the others, why not him? Yellow Dick—”
“—stank as bad as you. A pig of a man.”
“And Little Walder was a piglet. Killing him brought the Freys and Manderlys to dagger points, that was cunning, you—”
“Not us.” Rowan grabbed him by the throat and shoved him back against the barracks wall, her face an inch from his. “Say it again and I will rip your lying tongue out, kinslayer.”
He smiled through his broken teeth. “You won’t. You need my tongue to get you past the guards. You need my lies.”
Rowan spat in his face. Then she let him go and wiped her gloved hands on her legs, as if just touching him had soiled her.”

 

 

[AryaGonnaEatThatDeadFatGuy]

On 10/4/2016 at 6:44 PM, The North Forgot said:

I thought it was pretty much confirmed that singer is Tom O'Sevens, which would explain the way Edmure reacted when he saw him. Also this gives the Brotherhood a spy in the Lannister camp, which I believe will be very important early on in Winds of Winter.

Yes, Tom himself comfirms it

Quote

"Some other time," said Jaime. "Do you have a name?"
"Tom of Sevenstreams, if it please my lord." The singer doffed his had. "Most call me Tom o'Sevens, though."
"Sing sweetly, Tom o'Sevens."
AFfC Jaime p956 (paperback)

However, I don't think Edmure reacts that way because he knows. I think he is clueless (surprise...), but is just afraid because he realizes it's a singer about to play the song played when his sister and king (and others) were slaughtered

Quote

"The one about the rain? Aye, my loard. I know it."
Edmure seemed to see the man for the first time. "No. Not him. Get him away from me."
AFfC Jaime (prior chapter) p818

I admit the wording "Not him" doesn't help my case. I just can't understand how Edmure could know Tom was in the BWB, and if so why he would care. He has been captive the entire time Cat took charge (if he was acting) and I don't recall the BWB ever fighting Tully's. Additionally, if Tom was recognizable to Edmure, telling Jaime his real name is a huge risk since there are Tully banner men on the other side now

Also, Benjen. WTF happened to Benjen...

[aryagonnakill#2]

1 hour ago, AryaGonnaEatThatDeadFatGuy said:

Yes, Tom himself comfirms it

However, I don't think Edmure reacts that way because he knows. I think he is clueless (surprise...), but is just afraid because he realizes it's a singer about to play the song played when his sister and king (and others) were slaughtered

I admit the wording "Not him" doesn't help my case. I just can't understand how Edmure could know Tom was in the BWB, and if so why he would care. He has been captive the entire time Cat took charge (if he was acting) and I don't recall the BWB ever fighting Tully's. Additionally, if Tom was recognizable to Edmure, telling Jaime his real name is a huge risk since there are Tully banner men on the other side now

Also, Benjen. WTF happened to Benjen...

Tom O Sevens is the singer who wrote the song about a floppy fish and banged the girl when Edmure couldn't get it up, his reaction wasn't that he knew Tom was with the BWB, but that he hated Tom.